The Flag of St George

[vanfox12]

I have always said, I wish a british government would sort it's own backyard first then go and sort someone else's. We are supposed to be the 4th richest country in the world, yet we have hospitals, schools and public services that a 3rd world country would be ashamed of. British society is falling apart, the youth are i'll prepared for the future and the sense of british community and family values are dead!!!

We are know a nation reliant on foriegn imports, the 3rd world is catching up and when it does what will Britain have to offer the world????

It looks like World War 3 is comming, it will be the West against Islam, and it could have been avoided if US foriegn policy wasn't so aggressive towards Islamic nations. The radical elemant if Islam is becomming more and more apparent in the world, nations that were moderate are beginning to fight uprises of radical islam ie Turkey, Indonesia. I hope whoever comes in power in the US next will remove it's troop from Iraq, and change it's foriegn policies, otherwise it has an will accelerate WW III.

If WW3 happens then we're all doomed.

[Chairman of the Bored]

Heard on the radio today that Blackpool Town Council (for it is they) are banning all taxi drivers from wearing England shirts or flying the English flag up to and during the World Cup. Not sure whether they can fly any other flags, mind.

[vanfox12]

It is a pity you don't spend some time with the military in Iraq to see what the soldiers really believe and are really like because I never met a British solider who was the least inclined to kill civilians unless it was impossible to do otherwise.

War does kill innocent civilians - though not all civilians are innocent - but deaths in Iraq from what I hear and read are mostly caused by the longer range weapons of aircraft and wheeled vehicles which are more indiscrimate than close range guns.

Many civilians have lost their lives because opportunist and idealistic insurgents have planted themselves among the general populace and inevitably put them in the firing line.

As for the soldiers blindly following orders and renouncing their right to be considered human is there any difference between them and millions of people blindly following the doctrine and leadership of religious zealots (we had the Inquisition which murdered and toirtured) - and some young people even blowing themselves to oblivion in following that leadership?

If you think so, your mind sounds as aggled and indoctrinated as the soldiers you condemn. There is no more humanity in your last sentence than in the bullets of the soldiers you so clearly despise.

What's needed in Iraq is not more body bags (the inhumanity of that comment is just as disgusting as the killing of innocents) but what should have been used to solve the problems in the first place - dialogue. That is what will end the matter one day - so it might as well be used now.

How Blair ever considered he could solve the problems of such a complicated part of the world when he has so many unsolved problems at home, only he knows and as for his spiritual hypocrisy there is Christian and Moslem at each others throat and both are disgracing all they supposedly believe in.

Blair is supposedly a Christian but the more he goes on about Moral values the more i think he's lost it with the British public as he is the biggest hypocrite of all.

[Chairman of the Bored]

Blair is supposedly a Christian but the more he goes on about Moral values the more i think he's lost it with the British public as he is the biggest hypocrite of all.

Agreed. B-Liar. Moral values my undersized bottom......Mandelson, Prescott, The One from Sheffield with the Guide Dog (forgot his name), the woman who didn't know her husband had paid off the mortgage (forgot her name too)! Need I go on....ok, Cherie B-Liar's £7,000 hair do etc etc etc.

There's about as much morality in that lot as there is in my watch strap.

[vanfox12]

Agreed. B-Liar. Moral values my undersized bottom......Mandelson, Prescott, The One from Sheffield with the Guide Dog (forgot his name), the woman who didn't know her husband had paid off the mortgage (forgot her name too)! Need I go on....ok, Cherie B-Liar's £7,000 hair do etc etc etc.

There's about as much morality in that lot as there is in my watch strap.

Mind you the Tories and Lib Dems are not much better. Boris Johnson and Mark Oaten come to mind plus the Hamiltons, i could go on.

[Chairman of the Bored]

Never trust a poliartician - of any colour.

[Lemon Harpic]

It is a pity you don't spend some time with the military in Iraq to see what the soldiers really believe and are really like because I never met a British solider who was the least inclined to kill civilians unless it was impossible to do otherwise.

The Allied soldiers clearly show a depraved indifference to civilian deaths. Legally and morally that constitutes murder.

Our armed forces are a stain on our country.

[Lemon Harpic]

Let me ask you this... do you live in Iraq? Do you know first hand what has been going on there from day to day? If the answer is 'no' then you, like the rest of us, must rely on the media or politically motivated organisations to gain information about what is happening in Iraq. Either way, none of us are getting to hear the real truth of events.

[Sophie]

we've just bought our england flags and my mum has taken a great pride in hanging them out of her bedroom window! lets hope they do well

[Jay]

to quote Anti Flag!!!

The sun sets, the light fades

Blood red, on an empty street

Its not night, Its not day

Its no more, for an unfortunate soul who

Witnessed his life violently eraced, From the horror of the human race

Bright futures exchanged for profit, living half a life

I am ashamed and disgusted by the actions of our government and our involvement in a totally illegal war in Iraq which is about nothing more than oil and money for Bush and his mates the same as Afghanistan the "war on terror" is a self inflicted war! I am also disgusted by the way the media reports a one sided version of events although we have always been subject to propaghanda through the ages!!! we never see the true effects of war but instead get told about our brave boys along way from home doing their duty for the good of others!! it turns by stomach to think that America re-elected imo a man more evil and dangerous than the mythical Osama Bin Laden could ever be!!! and that Tony just agrees to go along with whatever he says he has no voice or opinion anymore he to is just scared of the biggest terrorist on the planet at the minute!! W himself

however I am still proud to be English, it's my roots and my identity it's who I am, just like during world war 2 all Germans were not "evil" but the majority had to pay for the actions of minority mostly through fear and intimidation.

[Katy]

Tony Blair is a law to himself, his views are so far detached from any decent person in England's view. Ask anyone on the street whether they were in favour of war and 9 out of 10 people would say 'no'

It's hard enough to be English in this day and age (see the Eurovision voting for example) without fellow English people tarring everyone with the same brush.

Going back to the original topic there will be an England flag hanging from our window with pride. Im English - end of!

[Thracian]

Tony Blair is a law to himself, his views are so far detached from any decent person in England's view. Ask anyone on the street whether they were in favour of war and 9 out of 10 people would say 'no'

It's hard enough to be English in this day and age (see the Eurovision voting for example) without fellow English people tarring everyone with the same brush.

Going back to the original topic there will be an England flag hanging from our window with pride. Im English - end of!

Kayteh for PM

[Katy]

Kayteh for PM

Cheers mate but I seriously wouldn't touch that job for all the tea in China!

[Thracian]

The Allied soldiers clearly show a depraved indifference to civilian deaths. Legally and morally that constitutes murder.

Our armed forces are a stain on our country.

They are not nearly such a stain on humanity as some of those who provoked this ill-conceived action, those who so readily shelter behind women and childen to encourage the inevitability of publicity shots of the like you so readily display, those who would aggle people's minds to establish power over them for their own misguided ends.

I repeat, you should go there, before being so judgemental. The responsibility for our forces' actions lies with the Prime Minister. If there is a stain it is he who has made it by his nieve lack of wisdom.

I said long ago, the West will only restore respect and credibility by setting an example, by putting its guns away other than in the defence of Europe, and by impressing the world with its dialogue and good sense as some nations have already done on the back of military defeats.

The real wars you have to win today are not fought with weapons but with words and pictures through the media - and through economics, although that is to digress.

To fight such wars effectively you have to first know what you stand for. In that way Islam has an advantage. We need to rediscover our spiritual self and to start truly believing in something starting with our families.

Our families are becoming ever more weakened, often induced by the media-inspired focus on self, and therefore the essentially positive force of small "c" Christian principles is diluted.

Philosophical theory? Maybe.

But for better or worse, this country is founded on the Christian doctrine and has a supposedly Christian prime minister who nullifies everything he supposedly stands for by being party to an offensive military action which results in the wilfull destruction of life and infrastructure...whether his soldiers are set up or not.

My argument about this War does not concern whether it is just. The Moslem Saddam Hussain could hardly be described as one who upheld the sort of principles Westerners might believe in.

He is on trial in his own land accused of being a sadistic mass murderer, however he would explain that to any "God" he claims to believe in should he be guilty.

My criticism of Blair is not that the world is likely to be a better place without a murderous leader in Iraq but that it is wrong to seek to change that leadership by becoming murderous in response. It is first and foremost utterly hypocritical but then he well knows about hypocrisy.

In killing innocents, indeed in killing anyone, we lost the moral high ground and that, more than anything has been cunningly exploited to our cost.

Modern wars are not so much about territory as about hearts, minds and influence. From what I see and hear, up to now we are losing but I'm not sure if its by 4-0 or 3-1. We should leave killing to the Moslems or anyone else who believes such action to be justified.

And we should tell that to the World.

[SystonFox]

two wars weve only won two wars weve only won two wars! TWO WARS!

shit on shit on shit on the nazis below!!!!

5-1! 5-1! 5-1!

did you cry?did you cry? did you cry in 66? diiiiiiiid you cry in 66?!!!

EEEEEEEEEEEENGERRRRRRRRRLAAAAAAAAAND

[Thracian]

two wars weve only won two wars weve only won two wars! TWO WARS!

shit on shit on shit on the nazis below!!!!

5-1! 5-1! 5-1!

did you cry?did you cry? did you cry in 66? diiiiiiiid you cry in 66?!!!

EEEEEEEEEEEENGERRRRRRRRRLAAAAAAAAAND

No I celebrated like no tomorrow. And when I watch the England/Germany players from that game exchanging views as such obviously personal friendship and respect I am reminded that Wars are far more sensibly fought on a football field than a battlefield.

Everyone can come back and enjoy the next one then

[vanfox12]

They are not nearly such a stain on humanity as some of those who provoked this ill-conceived action, those who so readily shelter behind women and childen to encourage the inevitability of publicity shots of the like you so readily display, those who would aggle people's minds to establish power over them for their own misguided ends.

I repeat, you should go there, before being so judgemental. The responsibility for our forces' actions lies with the Prime Minister. If there is a stain it is he who has made it by his nieve lack of wisdom.

I said long ago, the West will only restore respect and credibility by setting an example, by putting its guns away other than in the defence of Europe, and by impressing the world with its dialogue and good sense as some nations have already done on the back of military defeats.

The real wars you have to win today are not fought with weapons but with words and pictures through the media - and through economics, although that is to digress.

To fight such wars effectively you have to first know what you stand for. In that way Islam has an advantage. We need to rediscover our spiritual self and to start truly believing in something starting with our families.

Our families are becoming ever more weakened, often induced by the media-inspired focus on self, and therefore the essentially positive force of small "c" Christian principles is diluted.

Philosophical theory? Maybe.

But for better or worse, this country is founded on the Christian doctrine and has a supposedly Christian prime minister who nullifies everything he supposedly stands for by being party to an offensive military action which results in the wilfull destruction of life and infrastructure...whether his soldiers are set up or not.

My argument about this War does not concern whether it is just. The Moslem Saddam Hussain could hardly be described as one who upheld the sort of principles Westerners might believe in.

He is on trial in his own land accused of being a sadistic mass murderer, however he would explain that to any "God" he claims to believe in should he be guilty.

My criticism of Blair is not that the world is likely to be a better place without a murderous leader in Iraq but that it is wrong to seek to change that leadership by becoming murderous in response. It is first and foremost utterly hypocritical but then he well knows about hypocrisy.

In killing innocents, indeed in killing anyone, we lost the moral high ground and that, more than anything has been cunningly exploited to our cost.

Modern wars are not so much about territory as about hearts, minds and influence. From what I see and hear, up to now we are losing but I'm not sure if its by 4-0 or 3-1. We should leave killing to the Moslems or anyone else who believes such action to be justified.

And we should tell that to the World.

At the end of the day the allied forces are only doing what they are told and if they had a choice most wouldn't be there but if you join the army thats your job. If any soldier doesn't agree with the conflict then leave the army. Thats the reason why i would never be a soldier but if somebody tried to invade this country..... Furthermore i don't necessarily believe you have to be religious to have moral principles because at the end of the day we should show more compassion towards each other regardless of Sex, Gender, Colour, Faith or Nationality.

[Thracian]

At the end of the day the allied forces are only doing what they are told and if they had a choice most wouldn't be there but if you join the army thats your job. If any soldier doesn't agree with the conflict then leave the army. Thats the reason why i would never be a soldier but if somebody tried to invade this country..... Furthermore i don't necessarily believe you have to be religious to have moral principles because at the end of the day we should show more compassion towards each other regardless of Sex, Gender, Colour, Faith or Nationality.

You're 100% correct but if our leader professes to be a practising Christian it doesn't help his credibility if he goes around mocking what is probably the religion's principal Commandment.

[Dr The Singh]

They are not nearly such a stain on humanity as some of those who provoked this ill-conceived action, those who so readily shelter behind women and childen to encourage the inevitability of publicity shots of the like you so readily display, those who would aggle people's minds to establish power over them for their own misguided ends.

I repeat, you should go there, before being so judgemental. The responsibility for our forces' actions lies with the Prime Minister. If there is a stain it is he who has made it by his nieve lack of wisdom.

I said long ago, the West will only restore respect and credibility by setting an example, by putting its guns away other than in the defence of Europe, and by impressing the world with its dialogue and good sense as some nations have already done on the back of military defeats.

The real wars you have to win today are not fought with weapons but with words and pictures through the media - and through economics, although that is to digress.

To fight such wars effectively you have to first know what you stand for. In that way Islam has an advantage. We need to rediscover our spiritual self and to start truly believing in something starting with our families.

Our families are becoming ever more weakened, often induced by the media-inspired focus on self, and therefore the essentially positive force of small "c" Christian principles is diluted.

Philosophical theory? Maybe.

But for better or worse, this country is founded on the Christian doctrine and has a supposedly Christian prime minister who nullifies everything he supposedly stands for by being party to an offensive military action which results in the wilfull destruction of life and infrastructure...whether his soldiers are set up or not.

My argument about this War does not concern whether it is just. The Moslem Saddam Hussain could hardly be described as one who upheld the sort of principles Westerners might believe in.

He is on trial in his own land accused of being a sadistic mass murderer, however he would explain that to any "God" he claims to believe in should he be guilty.

My criticism of Blair is not that the world is likely to be a better place without a murderous leader in Iraq but that it is wrong to seek to change that leadership by becoming murderous in response. It is first and foremost utterly hypocritical but then he well knows about hypocrisy.

In killing innocents, indeed in killing anyone, we lost the moral high ground and that, more than anything has been cunningly exploited to our cost.

Modern wars are not so much about territory as about hearts, minds and influence. From what I see and hear, up to now we are losing but I'm not sure if its by 4-0 or 3-1. We should leave killing to the Moslems or anyone else who believes such action to be justified.

And we should tell that to the World.

Great post, you've covered most of what I was gonna say!!!

The big picture lie's with the government, it is those that should be criticised, like I have said in previous post, there are other influences in Iraq that are causing musch more harm then the soldiers.

[Guest]

So I'm not allowed to be proud to be English because of Honest Tone and his actions?

Yes, his actions.

[Daggers]

Mind you the Tories and Lib Dems are not much better. Boris Johnson and Mark Oaten come to mind plus the Hamiltons, i could go on.

Please do...

[Lemon Harpic]

So I'm not allowed to be proud to be English because of Honest Tone and his actions?

Yes, his actions.

Honest Tone approaches you and offers you £233.24 per week to go over to Iraq and fight in a totally immoral war which will put the people of Britain in danger by making us all targets for terrorists. How do you respond?

a) "No, thank you"

b) "Fụck you Blair, that's disgusting."

c) "£233.24 per week to shoot sand niggers? Where do I sign?"

You discover that your actions have been directly responsible for killing a family. How do you sleep at night?

a) I cry myself to sleep.

b) I can't sleep. I just lie awake thinking about the misery I've caused.

c) I sleep fine so I can wake up refreshed and ready to kill more sand niggers.

Cretinous though he may be, we cannot solely blame Blair for the fact that so many British people would answer c) to both questions. We should all be ashamed that our society has produced so much scum.

[Strokes]

Honest Tone approaches you and offers you £233.24 per week to go over to Iraq and fight in a totally immoral war which will put the people of Britain in danger by making us all targets for terrorists. How do you respond?

a) "No, thank you"

b) "Fụck you Blair, that's disgusting."

c) "£233.24 per week to shoot sand niggers? Where do I sign?"

You discover that your actions have been directly responsible for killing a family. How do you sleep at night?

a) I cry myself to sleep.

b) I can't sleep. I just lie awake thinking about the misery I've caused.

c) I sleep fine so I can wake up refreshed and ready to kill more sand niggers.

Cretinous though he may be, we cannot solely blame Blair for the fact that so many British people would answer c) to both questions. We should all be ashamed that our society has produced so much scum.

C is my favourite letter in the whole alphabet

[davieG]

Honest Tone approaches you and offers you £233.24 per week to go over to Iraq and fight in a totally immoral war which will put the people of Britain in danger by making us all targets for terrorists. How do you respond?

a) "No, thank you"

b) "Fụck you Blair, that's disgusting."

c) "£233.24 per week to shoot sand niggers? Where do I sign?"

You discover that your actions have been directly responsible for killing a family. How do you sleep at night?

a) I cry myself to sleep.

b) I can't sleep. I just lie awake thinking about the misery I've caused.

c) I sleep fine so I can wake up refreshed and ready to kill more sand niggers.

Cretinous though he may be, we cannot solely blame Blair for the fact that so many British people would answer c) to both questions. We should all be ashamed that our society has produced so much scum.

'so many' is a meaningless, kop out statement, - some definition wouldn't go amiss if you have the evidence. Are we talking 10, 1000, 10,000, 100,000, 1,000,000, 10,000,000?

[Lemon Harpic]

'so many' is a meaningless, kop out statement, - some definition wouldn't go amiss if you have the evidence. Are we talking 10, 1000, 10,000, 100,000, 1,000,000, 10,000,000?

There are over 190,000 "people" (if they can be considered human) in the British Armed Forces.