bald reynard Posted 15 September 2006 Posted 15 September 2006 I really do believe that RK's reign as Manager MUST come to end - SOON ! He just doesn't have the experience / knowledge to act as MANAGER (as is painfully obvious from his transfer dealings this summer). But, I wouldn't get rid of him entirely, I do think he could make a great Coach (and possibly Manager in the future !) - and assist someone else now. So get a new Manager (or Director of Football, if the Board don't want to 'demote' him too much !) - Curbishley or Hoddle (though I doubt if they would come) or Brian Little (I forgive him !), or someone with experience.
Manwell Pablo Posted 15 September 2006 Posted 15 September 2006 I really do believe that RK's reign as Manager MUST come to end - SOON ! He just doesn't have the experience / knowledge to act as MANAGER. But, I wouldn't get rid of him entirely, I do think he could make a great Coach (and possibly Manager in the future !) - and assist someone else now. So get a new Manager (or Director of Football, if the Board don't want to 'demote' RK too much !) - Curbishly or Hoddle (though I doubt if they would come) or Brian Little (I forgive him !). The club miss Ray Graydon.
Strokes Posted 15 September 2006 Posted 15 September 2006 I really do believe that RK's reign as Manager MUST come to end - SOON ! He just doesn't have the experience / knowledge to act as MANAGER. But, I wouldn't get rid of him entirely, I do think he could make a great Coach (and possibly Manager in the future !) - and assist someone else now. So get a new Manager (or Director of Football, if the Board don't want to 'demote' RK too much !) - Curbishly or Hoddle (though I doubt if they would come) or Brian Little (I forgive him !). I would be happy with this so long as we don't get Curbishley Hoddle or Little (not forgiven).
bald reynard Posted 15 September 2006 Author Posted 15 September 2006 The club miss Ray Graydon. I fully agree with you. Graydon has never been properly replaced - Ian Miller has a lot of coaching experience (just like Kelly), but no background in CLUB MANAGEMENT (Assistant Manager at Bury for a few months does NOT qualify !). Kelly MAY be a good Coach (I don't think supporters really know) but he sure as hell ain't a great Manager - witness the signing of a Centre Back who never plays, a midfielder who another Championship club (now !) were trying to get rid of for a year, a League 2 winger who can't go past defenders and a right back, when we had 2 right backs already at the club. Where were the other signings desperately needed - when other Championship clubs seem to sign loads of decent players (for free, as well !). RK just doesn't know enough (yet ?!) - and needs help - or to be told what to do !
jumbo mills Posted 15 September 2006 Posted 15 September 2006 agreed rk is a good assisant, bring graham taylor in took watford to the premiership on a shoestring
surrifox Posted 15 September 2006 Posted 15 September 2006 good idea. it's nearly the end of september and we still have the same manager as we started the season with- this sort of inaction is intolerable
bald reynard Posted 15 September 2006 Author Posted 15 September 2006 good idea. it's nearly the end of september and we still have the same manager as we started the season with- this sort of inaction is intolerable Is that sarcasm ?! Isn't action needed ? At least to get someone in to help Kelly - Graydon is sorely missed - Ian Miller just 'ain't the ticket' ! Why can't we get someone with experience ? Is it just me that thinks it's simply a matter of the Board saving a bit of money with these (must be) 'cheap' Coaches - when someone with a little experience as a Manager (even though it might have been in the 'dim and distant' past - no I'm not talking about 'Bertie Bassett' !) would cost more.
l444ry Posted 15 September 2006 Posted 15 September 2006 Is that sarcasm ?! Isn't action needed ? At least to get someone in to help Kelly - Graydon is sorely missed - Ian Miller just 'ain't the ticket' ! Why can't we get someone with experience ? Is it just me that thinks it's simply a matter of the Board saving a bit of money with these (must be) 'cheap' Coaches - when someone with a little experience as a Manager (even though it might have been in the 'dim and distant' past - no I'm not talking about 'Bertie Bassett' !) would cost more. Shame Sky don't get Big Ron is as a troubleshooter like at Peterborough. Might open a few eyes.
The Don Posted 15 September 2006 Posted 15 September 2006 Lets have barry fry as the chairman too....
The People's Hero Posted 15 September 2006 Posted 15 September 2006 I've got it! A mighty rous! We'll change our name to No Fixture. Clubs will look at the fixture list, assume they have no fixture that week and not turn up. We'll claim all three points by default.
Head Honcho Posted 15 September 2006 Posted 15 September 2006 I really do believe that RK's reign as Manager MUST come to end - SOON ! He just doesn't have the experience / knowledge to act as MANAGER (as is painfully obvious from his transfer dealings this summer). But, I wouldn't get rid of him entirely, I do think he could make a great Coach (and possibly Manager in the future !) - and assist someone else now. So get a new Manager (or Director of Football, if the Board don't want to 'demote' him too much !) - Curbishley or Hoddle (though I doubt if they would come) or Brian Little (I forgive him !), or someone with experience. I doubt RK will put up with that! If he's removed from his current post he'll have no problems getting another coaching job somewhere else, so he won't hang around here. ..........and another thing Would you trust this board to appoint anyone decent?
bald reynard Posted 15 September 2006 Author Posted 15 September 2006 I doubt RK will put up with that! If he's removed from his current post he'll have no problems getting another coaching job somewhere else, so he won't hang around here. ..........and another thing Would you trust this board to appoint anyone decent? No, I wouldn't trust the Board to appoint anyone any good. But I DO think RK would stay, IF he felt he wasn't being 'put down' too much, was responsible for First Team Coaching and was officially Assistant - or even retained as Team Manager, with a Director of Football (my preferred route) - and of course, agreed with whoever came !
BartonFox Posted 15 September 2006 Posted 15 September 2006 Wait a minute. If I am not mistaken Rob Kelly was very much a part of the failure that was Craig Levein and once we'd ensured survival last season the performances and results returned to being pish poor. So the question is, why in God's name should RK be retained when he clearly isn't good enough on any level? Or are we now just going to accept the wrong side of mediocre as our benchmark?
The People's Hero Posted 15 September 2006 Posted 15 September 2006 Wait a minute. If I am not mistaken Rob Kelly was very much a part of the failure that was Craig Levein and once we'd ensured survival last season the performances and results returned to being pish poor. So the question is, why in God's name should RK be retained when he clearly isn't good enough on any level? Or are we now just going to accept the wrong side of mediocre as our benchmark? We should get rid. He's been involved in two awful, passionless, gutless sides which have lacked enterprise, ideas and skill. Get rid of him.
DannyLCFC1 Posted 15 September 2006 Posted 15 September 2006 We should get rid. He's been involved in two awful, passionless, gutless sides which have lacked enterprise, ideas and skill. Get rid of him. Agreed but who would you like to see him replaced with? I quite like the dave penney idea
steve_wilson101 Posted 15 September 2006 Posted 15 September 2006 What's wrong with everyone? It's FAR too early to be talking about this already. We have made a poor start to the season but RK was a revelation last year - how about giving him more time before everyone gets on his back and makes the situation worse. Chopping and changing managers every five minutes doesn't work. There are loads of studies that show that changing a manager might give a short burst of improvement but on average clubs end up the same or worse afterwards. Clubs like Man Utd, Arsenal, Bolton, Charlton (as was), Crewe, etc are all in a far better position for having consistent management over time (and no I'm not comparing RK to Ferguson but Utd were sh!t when he took over). In any case - we're on our 5th manager since MON left anyway and we're hardly a shining beacon for the virtues of changing a manger are we (and don't say it's just because we've had poor managers, Taylor, Basset, Adams and Levein have all been much more successful elsewhere than here). Stop calling for a change in manager after a few bad results. It's counter productive!
The People's Hero Posted 15 September 2006 Posted 15 September 2006 Agreed but who would you like to see him replaced with? I quite like the dave penney idea Someone who doesn't take any sh it and will try to win games. We need a fearless leader. You don't necessarily NEED a master tactician in this league, just someone to get us playing a fairly simple system well where everyone knows their role. It's of the utmost important then that you instill confidence, discipline, passion and belief in to your charges. It also really needs to be someone who will work with what he's got. We can't be doing with offloading and bringing in another load of players. As for candidates... I'm not convinced about Dave Penney, but haven't seen much of his work to be honest as I rarely saw his previous side play. Mike Newell might have been my choice a bit ago. Paul Jewell was the man I really wanted 2 years ish ago. Ultimately though, I'd be after a chat with Andy Ritchie (Barnsley). He gets his teams playing enterprising football and doesn't take any sh it. He keeps it fairly simple and organised but the emphasis is usually on passing and getting forwards. I don't expect many will agree with me, but that's who I'd be wanting to interview at least. 2 issues then though: 1) Would he see us as an attractive proposal? 2) Would Barnsley let us talk.. and if so, could we afford the compo?
BartonFox Posted 15 September 2006 Posted 15 September 2006 What's wrong with everyone? It's FAR too early to be talking about this already. We have made a poor start to the season but RK was a revelation last year - how about giving him more time before everyone gets on his back and makes the situation worse. Chopping and changing managers every five minutes doesn't work. There are loads of studies that show that changing a manager might give a short burst of improvement but on average clubs end up the same or worse afterwards. Clubs like Man Utd, Arsenal, Bolton, Charlton (as was), Crewe, etc are all in a far better position for having consistent management over time (and no I'm not comparing RK to Ferguson but Utd were sh!t when he took over). In any case - we're on our 5th manager since MON left anyway and we're hardly a shining beacon for the virtues of changing a manger are we (and don't say it's just because we've had poor managers, Taylor, Basset, Adams and Levein have all been much more successful elsewhere than here). Stop calling for a change in manager after a few bad results. It's counter productive! Hmmm, lets take a look at what is fast becoming an urban legend. April - 6 games yielded 7 points (and atrocious performances to boot) August & September - 7 games and 7 points (with worse perfromances) So we have taken 14 points from our last 13 games. That is near certain relegation form as our squad is too small and injuries and suspensions will soon kick in
Manwell Pablo Posted 15 September 2006 Posted 15 September 2006 Hmmm, lets take a look at what is fast becoming an urban legend. April - 6 games yielded 7 points (and atrocious performances to boot) August & September - 7 games and 7 points (with worse perfromances) So we have taken 14 points from our last 13 games. That is near certain relegation form as our squad is too small and injuries and suspensions will soon kick in A new manager will have his hands tied behind his back. RK isn't the main issue at this club. <_<
BartonFox Posted 15 September 2006 Posted 15 September 2006 A new manager will have his hands tied behind his back. RK isn't the main issue at this club. <_< You are right, but I am gunning for the sorry lot of them.
The People's Hero Posted 15 September 2006 Posted 15 September 2006 You are right, but I am gunning for the sorry lot of them. Wholesale changes required. No point in just tweaking a setup which is rotten to the core.
Smudge Posted 15 September 2006 Posted 15 September 2006 A new manager will have his hands tied behind his back. RK isn't the main issue at this club. <_< Agreed, it doesn't matter who comes, unless they have the cash to improve the side nothing will change, including the comments in this forum. My biggest concern is that what little cash he has had seems to have been squandered on McAuley, who hasn't played yet and Johnson, who by all accounts, is unable to put a series of passes together.
The People's Hero Posted 15 September 2006 Posted 15 September 2006 Agreed, it doesn't matter who comes, unless they have the cash to improve the side nothing will change, including the comments in this forum. My biggest concern is that what little cash he has had seems to have been squandered on McAuley, who hasn't played yet and Johnson, who by all accounts, is unable to put a series of passes together. Of course it matters who comes in. The squad is good enough to stay up. I don't think half of them know their roles, what system we're trying to play etc etc etc. They lack motivation, passion, belief, drive, purpose and fitness. A new manager could change that. Perhaps he wouldn't I don't know, but it's got to be better than sliding towards league one whilst scoring very few goals under a man who seems extremely short on ideas.
BartonFox Posted 15 September 2006 Posted 15 September 2006 Agreed, it doesn't matter who comes, unless they have the cash to improve the side nothing will change, including the comments in this forum. My biggest concern is that what little cash he has had seems to have been squandered on McAuley, who hasn't played yet and Johnson, who by all accounts, is unable to put a series of passes together. I'm sick of all this "it doesn't matter who the manager is" bollocks. Of course it matters, Rob Kelly is useless he hasn't even got the squad fit enough to compete this season let alone the fact they don't play to an obvious system. It's time to let the whole lot know this is unacceptable.
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