Shum Posted 28 September 2006 Posted 28 September 2006 As a general consensus, if you have a sick note from the doctors not to go to work for a week, and then you are seen out shopping at Tesco or soemthing by someone from work, who then tells your manager... What can be done against you??
Fez of Mahrez Posted 28 September 2006 Posted 28 September 2006 As a general consensus, if you have a sick note from the doctors not to go to work for a week, and then you are seen out shopping at Tesco or soemthing by someone from work, who then tells your manager... What can be done against you?? This is happening at our work at the moment. Will let you know in due course! And it's not me!!
Shum Posted 28 September 2006 Author Posted 28 September 2006 This is happening at our work at the moment. Will let you know in due course! And it's not me!! Hmm. Just a friend of mine is worried! But saying that he isn't bed riddon with a broken leg or anything so surely entitled to go shopping?
Fez of Mahrez Posted 28 September 2006 Posted 28 September 2006 Hmm. Just a friend of mine is worried! But saying that he isn't bed riddon with a broken leg or anything so surely entitled to go shopping? I'm sure he'll be ok. The woman here has a bit of a reputation for it.
Dr The Singh Posted 28 September 2006 Posted 28 September 2006 Hmm. Just a friend of mine is worried! But saying that he isn't bed riddon with a broken leg or anything so surely entitled to go shopping? Aslong as your mate can prove he was still unfit to go work then it doesn't matter if he's shoppping!!!
lookwhaticando Posted 28 September 2006 Posted 28 September 2006 Caught shopping, big deal. I mean, if he wasn't in good health, he had time off work - but if he couldn't feed himself, he'd be dead... then where would the company be? Besides, there's a big difference between a 1hr trip to do yer shopping and an 8 hour shift at work. Not quite the same kettle of fish, I'd have thought.
Shum Posted 28 September 2006 Author Posted 28 September 2006 Caught shopping, big deal. I mean, if he wasn't in good health, he had time off work - but if he couldn't feed himself, he'd be dead... then where would the company be? Besides, there's a big difference between a 1hr trip to do yer shopping and an 8 hour shift at work. Not quite the same kettle of fish, I'd have thought. Going on from this then, what would happen if you were seen at a party for example!
Dr The Singh Posted 28 September 2006 Posted 28 September 2006 Going on from this then, what would happen if you were seen at a party for example! Well a colleague got caught at Alton Towers doing a sickie but another collegue got caught shopping, it's a matter of what you can prove, like Lookwhaticando said, it's not goign to make your condition worse if your shoppping for an hour but going out all day to ALton Towers, is dismmisible on alot of fronts!!!
lookwhaticando Posted 28 September 2006 Posted 28 September 2006 Going on from this then, what would happen if you were seen at a party for example! In simple terms, you'd be walking a high wire turning up at someone's party. Not advised. But it really depends on what his reason for being off for a week was - also depends when he's seen at the party... towards the end of his period out of work is nothing serious. Doctor said you'd be fit in a week, you've turned the corner a bit sooner, fair enough. Anyway, he got his sick note, he took his week out, he now knows that he's not got as much sick-time available to him - so if he gets sick again, he may go past his available allocation of sick days, and perhaps lose a couple of days of pay. Punishment enough I'd have thought.
lookwhaticando Posted 28 September 2006 Posted 28 September 2006 Well a colleague got caught at Alton Towers doing a sickie but another collegue got caught shopping, it's a matter of what you can prove, like Lookwhaticando said, it's not goign to make your condition worse if your shoppping for an hour but going out all day to ALton Towers, is dismmisible on alot of fronts!!! How'd he get caught? Was someone else skiving off at Alton too?
Daggers Posted 28 September 2006 Posted 28 September 2006 Have they banned public floggings? I bet they have, bloody politically correct Blair. Tch!
hairy Posted 28 September 2006 Posted 28 September 2006 Legally there is nothing they can do. Your sick note was given by a qualified Doctor who says you are unfit for work. You can bugger off on holiday if you want! (Someone here did) Just because you are seen elsewhere does not mean you are fit for work. If they try it on you have to point out to them they are not qualified, i.e. a Doctor, to make an assessment on your health. Trust me I deal with HR.
cisono Posted 28 September 2006 Posted 28 September 2006 As a general consensus, if you have a sick note from the doctors not to go to work for a week, and then you are seen out shopping at Tesco or soemthing by someone from work, who then tells your manager... What can be done against you?? I am not well-versed in English law but this is what I reckon... It is likely to depend on what the doctor's note is for (the underlying problem/what it says) and what the person was seen doing. For instance, if the person is under stress but is seen shopping for food, I don't think much can be done against him/her. However, if the employee in question is off work for a broken/painful arm and is seen lifting heavy shopping (and this is reported back or - even worse - photographic evidence exists), then that could be a bit of a problem! On a lighter note, the following story was on the news in Italy: a guy who had been receiving invalidity benefit (for blindness for 20 years in Naples) was found to have been working as a bus driver! When questioned as to his situation, he said that he had indeed been blind but his faith had brought his eyeshight back!
Matt Posted 28 September 2006 Posted 28 September 2006 TBH if a work colleague drops you in the shit by telling the manager there a right bastard! Work colleagues stick together, Bosses catch you out...Unless this work colleague is abit of a bumlicker wanting a promotion but they've gotta be very ignorant even to do that. Something that's made me laugh is my next door neighbour shes been off work for ages now becuase she's got a problem with her arm/sholder shes had a few op's e.t.c and because she's been off work for a certain time her employers by law can half her pay, but because she "claims" she had the accident at work she thinks she should be paid full whack whilst off! I say claim because she did have the accident at work but she didn't put it in the accident book therefore the courts would surly just see it as there word against hers if legal action took place. There she is sitting down all day and gets paid sick pay but someone like me who its quite likly to pull my back out whilst lifting gets no sick pay should I have to have time off...wheres the logic in that?!
Head Honcho Posted 28 September 2006 Posted 28 September 2006 Nothing! A doctors note is a note to say you are unfit for work! Doesn't mean you can't go about your usual day. It will however be remebered the next time your off, although not mentioned!
stez Posted 28 September 2006 Posted 28 September 2006 As a general consensus, if you have a sick note from the doctors not to go to work for a week, and then you are seen out shopping at Tesco or soemthing by someone from work, who then tells your manager... What can be done against you?? i'm with allen; if you have a doctors note for RSI or something, then your ok for shopping. a broken back?.......maybe you should stay in bed!
Daggers Posted 28 September 2006 Posted 28 September 2006 Work colleagues stick together, Bosses catch you out...Unless this work colleague is abit of a bumlicker wanting a promotion but they've gotta be very ignorant even to do that. Some people would say that people who throw sickies simply dump extra work unfairly on their colleagues. Not only that, but they lower the productivity of the company thus making it less profitable and making redundancies more likely. Some people would call people who throw sickies a bunch of selfish little arrogant workshy c*nts. That's some people. Not me at all, oh no. I'd never be so bold
Bert Posted 28 September 2006 Posted 28 September 2006 The way i see this is - you have a sicknote that states you unable to work for one reason or another. So, if you are seen out shopping it doesn't matter becasue you have the note to say your off work, the note doesn't say you must stay in at all times.
SystonFox Posted 29 September 2006 Posted 29 September 2006 TBH if a work colleague drops you in the shit by telling the manager there a right bastard! Work colleagues stick together, Bosses catch you out...Unless this work colleague is abit of a bumlicker wanting a promotion but they've gotta be very ignorant even to do that. too forking right man. anyone who grasses there colleague to a boss is the lowest of the low, not even the dirt on my shoes! they should all be sticking together rebelling against the bosses and taking more days off in protest of this.
DanTheFoxBhoy Posted 29 September 2006 Posted 29 September 2006 Legally there is nothing they can do. Your sick note was given by a qualified Doctor who says you are unfit for work. You can bugger off on holiday if you want! (Someone here did) Just because you are seen elsewhere does not mean you are fit for work. If they try it on you have to point out to them they are not qualified, i.e. a Doctor, to make an assessment on your health. Trust me I deal with HR. I'd say this is right, but Cis has a good point in that if you were off for some movement-constricting debilitating illness and you were found carrying bags of fertiliser you might have some explaining to do Just tell your mate to join a union and they should sort things out for him
Daggers Posted 29 September 2006 Posted 29 September 2006 i'm with allen; if you have a doctors note for RSI or something, then your ok for shopping. a broken back?.......maybe you should stay in bed! In my day, you only got sick notes for a bad case of death. Broken backs were something little girls cried about - one a Grannies hot poultices would cure anything like that. Damn young people, always have to find something to whinge about and blame someone else for!
Shum Posted 29 September 2006 Author Posted 29 September 2006 Cheers people. The underlying issue here is the person is suffering from minor depression, and was seen at a religous event by someone from work who then obviosuly said something to management. I think it has been handled pretty badly by the company, to call someone at home, and basically attempt to scare them. Thanks for all the info.
Guest Posted 29 September 2006 Posted 29 September 2006 A lot of companies are attempting to bully their employees into having no time off. My employers do it. I have had hardly any time off sick, but when I get back to work no doubt I'll be treated like those who throw sickies like they are going out of fashion.
Dr The Singh Posted 29 September 2006 Posted 29 September 2006 A lot of companies are attempting to bully their employees into having no time off. My employers do it. I have had hardly any time off sick, but when I get back to work no doubt I'll be treated like those who throw sickies like they are going out of fashion. Agreed, I myself at this moment feel quite ill but due to the work ethics of the company, and the stigma of taking sick leave, I am suffering at work!!!
DanTheFoxBhoy Posted 29 September 2006 Posted 29 September 2006 I think it has been handled pretty badly by the company, to call someone at home, and basically attempt to scare them. It makes me angry to hear that. Who the hell do they think they are? Some employers get it in their heads that because it's their capital that's being invested, that gives them the right to treat workers like subjects. Capital should be ranked behind workers in cases like these. Does the UK have any OH&S law that would allow prosecution based on the company negatively aggrevating a worker's mental health?
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