AyewJoking Posted 12 October 2006 Posted 12 October 2006 It seems to me Porter is overrated on here. I havent noticed him much at all in the games I've seen him play. Perhaps that isnt so bad, he isnt messing things up. Perhaps I'm expecting him to be a major attacking outlet, skipping past players with his pace and trickery. Maybe he needs more games before he truly settles. Is he looked upon so highly because we are more balanced with him on the left? Is Kelly's defensive approach hindering his natural attacking instincts? At least he's keeping Tiatto or Hughes or Maybury from left wing if the Irishman ever decides he can "do a job" in that position.
newms Posted 12 October 2006 Posted 12 October 2006 for me he is a central midfielder playing left wing because he is left footed. For this reason he does nothing amazing in the position. It would probably take the bubonic plague for Porter to get a chance in the centre even with our inferiority in this area, so if Welsh comes expect levi to spend sometime on the bench.
Thracian Posted 12 October 2006 Posted 12 October 2006 It seems to me Porter is overrated on here. I havent noticed him much at all in the games I've seen him play. Perhaps that isnt so bad, he isnt messing things up. Perhaps I'm expecting him to be a major attacking outlet, skipping past players with his pace and trickery. Maybe he needs more games before he truly settles. Is he looked upon so highly because we are more balanced with him on the left? Is Kelly's defensive approach hindering his natural attacking instincts? At least he's keeping Tiatto or Hughes or Maybury from left wing if the Irishman ever decides he can "do a job" in that position. I've said many times that Porter doesn't beat players as such. His creativity comes from his passing and he is less effective when no-one makes themselves available for a pass or fails to make the sort of runs that suit his talents - our major problem right now and the reason he and others will be better when they get some more footballers around them. He doesn't have the raw pace to beat people consistently. But he can weight his passes brilliantly, can spot an opening and is always available for the "out" ball. He may end up better in midfield but Kelly likes him on the left because he has an excellent engine and relishes the tracking back and supporting duties. In contrast to the likes of Ryan Smith and Josh Low, both of whom looked/look lost on defensive duties.
Tommeh Posted 12 October 2006 Posted 12 October 2006 When he first came ino the fold I though he was a new Ryan Smith but with an end product, I think he's how do i put it gone off the boil in recent games after playing really well v coventry and southend to name a few games but I can't see him playing centre mid due to his size. I think the pressure taken off him will do him good for now maybe dropping down to the bench and coming on in the last half hour, which I can actually see happening due to the return of Tiatto from injury and the pending arrival of Welsh.
lildave3 Posted 12 October 2006 Posted 12 October 2006 When he first came ino the fold I though he was a new Ryan Smith but with an end product, I think he's how do i put it gone off the boil in recent games after playing really well v coventry and southend to name a few games but I can't see him playing centre mid due to his size. I think the pressure taken off him will do him good for now maybe dropping down to the bench and coming on in the last half hour, which I can actually see happening due to the return of Tiatto from injury and the pending arrival of Welsh. I don't think size matters. If he can thread a ball through the defence for the likes of Hume to run on to, then i don't see a problem. With him attacking and Weso holding, i think it would be a capable and reliable centre midfield.
Thracian Posted 12 October 2006 Posted 12 October 2006 When he first came ino the fold I though he was a new Ryan Smith but with an end product, I think he's how do i put it gone off the boil in recent games after playing really well v coventry and southend to name a few games but I can't see him playing centre mid due to his size. I think the pressure taken off him will do him good for now maybe dropping down to the bench and coming on in the last half hour, which I can actually see happening due to the return of Tiatto from injury and the pending arrival of Welsh. What really gets me is not so much that sort of proposal but why everyone, including the manager, seems to be dealing with periphery situations instead of tackling the central problems of Hughes, Johnson, Low and Nils. Once these things are dealt with everyone - including Weso who's played shit so far this season but rarely gets criticised - will start playing properly. The sooner our young players have the sort of people around them who pass and move - which is what they're used to cos it's the way football should be played - the better. Some of our players don't even support purposefully let alone pass and move.
Maybes Posted 12 October 2006 Posted 12 October 2006 To be honest, I think he is one of a few bunch of players that play the game with a bit of passion and want to take players on. His best position I believe is on the wings, as i dont think he has the stature to play central midfield.....then again he cant be any worse than hughes and johnson
lildave3 Posted 12 October 2006 Posted 12 October 2006 To be honest, I think he is one of a few bunch of players that play the game with a bit of passion and want to take players on. His best position I believe is on the wings, as i dont think he has the stature to play central midfield.....then again he cant be any worse than hughes and johnson Exactly. The options we have in the centre of midfield are limited. I see no harm in giving him at least oen game to see how he does there. Perhaps not against Southampton or Leeds but a "smaller" club.
Tommeh Posted 12 October 2006 Posted 12 October 2006 I don't think size matters. If he can thread a ball through the defence for the likes of Hume to run on to, then i don't see a problem. With him attacking and Weso holding, i think it would be a capable and reliable centre midfield. Him and weso just can't see it working! unless the defenders can keep the ball on the deck nothing will do won in the air by those two. Then again Hughes and Jonhson Maybe you do have a point
lildave3 Posted 12 October 2006 Posted 12 October 2006 Him and weso just can't see it working! unless the defenders can keep the ball on the deck nothing will do won in the air by those two. Then again Hughes and Jonhson Maybe you do have a point Yeah then perhaps they will learn to play it on the floor, instead of hoofing high balls for giants like Hume and Fryatt to get to
lookwhaticando Posted 12 October 2006 Posted 12 October 2006 Our midfielders and strikers could all be 4' 4" and Nissa would still launch balls up over the top of everyone. It'd be a good reason to get shot of him - actually. Play a team of midgets, then drop Nissa because of his longball antics.
Thracian Posted 12 October 2006 Posted 12 October 2006 Our midfielders and strikers could all be 4' 4" and Nissa would still launch balls up over the top of everyone. It'd be a good reason to get shot of him - actually. Play a team of midgets, then drop Nissa because of his longball antics. Get rid of Nils? I don't think I've heard the softest whisper about any left-backs coming to Leicester! We've get green alligators and long-necked geese before we get a left-back.
Tommeh Posted 12 October 2006 Posted 12 October 2006 Our midfielders and strikers could all be 4' 4" and Nissa would still launch balls up over the top of everyone. It'd be a good reason to get shot of him - actually. Play a team of midgets, then drop Nissa because of his longball antics. I'd also drop him / get rid of him because he can't run which is a slight disadvantage to a full back and can't pass without the ball going out of play :pinch: I'm also willing to bet he's one of the top 3 earners at the club and one of the top 3 worst players at the club
lookwhaticando Posted 12 October 2006 Posted 12 October 2006 Get rid of Nils? I don't think I've heard the softest whisper about any left-backs coming to Leicester! We've get green alligators and long-necked geese before we get a left-back. You very well know the answer, Thracian - don't let me down now. I'll give you a clue, his initials are JM. Otherwise it might be AS upon return from a spell in the lower leagues.
Thracian Posted 12 October 2006 Posted 12 October 2006 You very well know the answer, Thracian - don't let me down now. I'll give you a clue, his initials are JM. Otherwise it might be AS upon return from a spell in the lower leagues. Sheehan's getting on my nerves. If he can't do the business consistently at a club like Mansfield where he's wanted by the boss and where he ought to be able to shine, he'll sure as hell struggle here where some fans'll blast him for any error and where Nils is emplaced like a concrete bollard. As for Joe Mattock, with only Academy matches on the horizon nowadays, he'll have less chance than AS. I wonder how Rudkin and Beaglehome feel now there's no middle ground for all the players they're developing. And what about the kids below who would have come into the Under 18's by now?
Knighton Matt Posted 13 October 2006 Posted 13 October 2006 I think Kenton would be a decent left-back among the current options. He doesn't hoof it, he seems to play it sensible most of the time. He might not support the attack much but then, who does? I think if you're going to play a tiny midfield then he's the best option. I can't help thinking though that our kids aren't as good as we thought they were. A central midfield of Porter and Wesolowski is huge pressure. I think Tiatto would possibly be better than Welsh to play alongside them if Kelly's got the balls to do it, as he can push inside and help out and even swap with Porter at times.
Babylon Posted 13 October 2006 Posted 13 October 2006 Is Porter Overrated? Is the Pope Catholic. He has done ok, nothing more nothing less.
Dr The Singh Posted 13 October 2006 Posted 13 October 2006 I think Kenton would be a decent left-back among the current options. He doesn't hoof it, he seems to play it sensible most of the time. He might not support the attack much but then, who does? I think if you're going to play a tiny midfield then he's the best option. I can't help thinking though that our kids aren't as good as we thought they were. A central midfield of Porter and Wesolowski is huge pressure. I think Tiatto would possibly be better than Welsh to play alongside them if Kelly's got the balls to do it, as he can push inside and help out and even swap with Porter at times. I tend to agree, the over hype of the kids and the burden we have put on them has had an adverse effect, surely there confidence will soon go down, if not already!!
The People's Hero Posted 13 October 2006 Posted 13 October 2006 Of course they are over-hyped, that's what happens when you're a lower-mid table, poorly managed Championship side with pretensions of being (and existing mindset of) a competitive Premiership side.
Ric Flair Posted 13 October 2006 Posted 13 October 2006 I've said many times that Porter doesn't beat players as such. His creativity comes from his passing and he is less effective when no-one makes themselves available for a pass or fails to make the sort of runs that suit his talents - our major problem right now and the reason he and others will be better when they get some more footballers around them. He doesn't have the raw pace to beat people consistently. But he can weight his passes brilliantly, can spot an opening and is always available for the "out" ball. He may end up better in midfield but Kelly likes him on the left because he has an excellent engine and relishes the tracking back and supporting duties. In contrast to the likes of Ryan Smith and Josh Low, both of whom looked/look lost on defensive duties. A good summary. But he is actually a winger, he always has been other than the past season in the reserves. I think currently he's good enough to play in both roles for Leicester, i'm not bigging him up too much because it's far too early to tell whether he's going to be good enough long term. There isn't any reason why not if he's coached and managed properly. He's been our best midfielder so far this season, which isn't a massive achievement but without him I can't see where our creativity is going to come from. People say he has gone off the boil, but up until the Colchester game he'd been very effective for us. Colchester he was woeful, as were all of our players. Birmingham he was dropped, but came on and did ok. If he plays on saturday I think he could have some success against their right back who I don't rate at all.
eaststandtom Posted 13 October 2006 Posted 13 October 2006 for me, porter is nippy, puts himself about and tries to get into the areas where crosses can be supplied. at the moment his crossing is a bit inconsistent. the supply certainly isnt helping the strikers but this just isnt down to him. taking the experienced route on the left ie, tiatto is a waste of time as tiatto is useless. porter must play so he can improve.
Ric Flair Posted 13 October 2006 Posted 13 October 2006 for me, porter is nippy, puts himself about and tries to get into the areas where crosses can be supplied. at the moment his crossing is a bit inconsistent. the supply certainly isnt helping the strikers but this just isnt down to him. taking the experienced route on the left ie, tiatto is a waste of time as tiatto is useless. porter must play so he can improve.
gatesheadfox Posted 13 October 2006 Posted 13 October 2006 tiatto is useless why are you being so kind to DT? i think porter is a little overrated, he certainly has promise and is one of few who try to create things by playing with the ball on the floor. RK should have the players practising games with 5-a-side rules so they can learn how to keep the ball below head height
Manwell Pablo Posted 13 October 2006 Posted 13 October 2006 A good summary. But he is actually a winger, he always has been other than the past season in the reserves. I think currently he's good enough to play in both roles for Leicester, i'm not bigging him up too much because it's far too early to tell whether he's going to be good enough long term. There isn't any reason why not if he's coached and managed properly. He's been our best midfielder so far this season, which isn't a massive achievement but without him I can't see where our creativity is going to come from. People say he has gone off the boil, but up until the Colchester game he'd been very effective for us. Colchester he was woeful, as were all of our players. Birmingham he was dropped, but came on and did ok. If he plays on saturday I think he could have some success against their right back who I don't rate at all. Agreed on that one. Looks like the geeky guy out of road trip as well.
Tubes Posted 13 October 2006 Posted 13 October 2006 i believe porter is the best option we have for the left wing but isnt effective enough he seems to drift in and out of games porter would be a good sub to use his pace for the last 20 minutes
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