vanfox12 Posted 18 October 2006 Posted 18 October 2006 1. The woman works in a school 2. Anyone dressing as a tart in school has to abide by the dress expectations of a school 3. Your comment that white men oppress white women into dressing like tarts is simply stupid 4. You are confusing sociological behaviour with religious observance 5. People are called racists for acting in a racist manner not for being white Forgive me for my ignorance but am i not allowed to express an opinion or are you one of those people who never says anything stupid. I was only giving an example. Personally i think the issue has been blown out of proportion. By the way wasn't she allowed to weir the veil outside of class and when a male adult was present in class? By the way i'm not suggesting that white men oppress women or that just people white are racist because i know that this is not the case at least not most of the time.
vanfox12 Posted 18 October 2006 Posted 18 October 2006 Hippie! Aye men to that, if only it was that simple.
Daggers Posted 18 October 2006 Author Posted 18 October 2006 Forgive me for my ignorance but am i not allowed to express an opinion or are you one of those people who never says anything stupid. I don't believe I said you were not allowed an opinion, I wouldn't. You stated something as a proposition and I argued against it because that is what forums are for. As for not saying anything stupid, I do...frequently
Head Honcho Posted 18 October 2006 Posted 18 October 2006 It doesn't matter whether she's playing the victim card or not. She shouldn't even be allowed on the school premises wearing a veil, never mind teaching Children.
Daggers Posted 18 October 2006 Author Posted 18 October 2006 It doesn't matter whether she's playing the victim card or not. She shouldn't even be allowed on the school premises wearing a veil, never mind teaching Children. Should Nun's disrobe when entering schools? Priests? Vicars?
Head Honcho Posted 18 October 2006 Posted 18 October 2006 Should Nun's disrobe when entering schools? Priests? Vicars? If you cannot see their faces then yes. I have no objection whatsoever to somebody wearing a hijab, but the wearing of a Niqab or any other kind of veil that totally covers the face should not be allowed in Schools.
Daggers Posted 18 October 2006 Author Posted 18 October 2006 If you cannot see their faces then yes. I have no objection whatsoever to somebody wearing a hijab, but the wearing of a Niqab or any other kind of veil that totally covers the face should not be allowed in Schools. Sorry, too busy thinking about nuns disrobing
davieG Posted 18 October 2006 Posted 18 October 2006 I don't believe I said you were not allowed an opinion, I wouldn't. You stated something as a proposition and I argued against it because that is what forums are for. As for not saying anything stupid, I do...frequently 3. Your comment that white men oppress white women into dressing like tarts is simply stupid Not much of an argument though?
Daggers Posted 18 October 2006 Author Posted 18 October 2006 Not much of an argument though? It was more of an argument than that...
vanfox12 Posted 19 October 2006 Posted 19 October 2006 It was more of an argument than that... Personally i don't like getting into arguments it just leads to more trouble. I agree lets live and let live and just try to get on with each other.
Smudge Posted 19 October 2006 Posted 19 October 2006 I wonder if this is something she has been told to do by her family or something she chooses to do?
Hullfox Posted 19 October 2006 Posted 19 October 2006 I wonder if this is something she has been told to do by her family or something she chooses to do? Well she lost her tribunal, end of. Or is it.
Ultra Posted 19 October 2006 Posted 19 October 2006 Still won a grand in compo though... But what was she doing teaching in a supposedly "Church of England" school anyway?
DanTheFoxBhoy Posted 19 October 2006 Posted 19 October 2006 What's the difference between veils and headscarves? Couldn't she have worn a scarf instead? I don't mind headscarves at all, I think they look modest and cute. Similar to a habit I suppose. But veils are a bit much - I wouldn't like being taught by someone if I couldn't see their face.
Dr The Singh Posted 20 October 2006 Posted 20 October 2006 Well she lost her tribunal, end of. Or is it. No, see wants to appeal!!! But it is futile, because she cannot win on religious grounds because there is no concrete evidence to suggest that the veil is mandatory, she's not helping herself or muslim people by dragging this issue!!!
Monk Posted 20 October 2006 Posted 20 October 2006 Did anyone watch question time last night. I think the woman in the veil at the back was getting a tad agitated!! Some valid points. I still dont think it should be an issue for the media to inflate. Quite simply as the woman in the audience said - 80% of communication is non verbal. Ipso facto she shoulnt be a teacher.
l444ry Posted 20 October 2006 Posted 20 October 2006 Still won a grand in compo though... But what was she doing teaching in a supposedly "Church of England" school anyway? Clearly her principles don't go that far. Bloody hypocrite!!
Muz Posted 20 October 2006 Posted 20 October 2006 Send 'em all back. Shall I walk into a mosk with know shoes on? No cos I'd get a right leathering. Wearing a veil in our public places should'nt be allowed especially not when your in a church of ENGLAND school teaching young kids. Really makes me angry
Monk Posted 20 October 2006 Posted 20 October 2006 Point actually - Veils aside would a 'faith school' - i.e. a muslim school - allow a native christian teacher who wears a cross? I am not in a position to answer the question but I imagine not.
Simon Posted 20 October 2006 Posted 20 October 2006 I find it strange how the press have got their nickers in such a twist over this. All the headlines read 'TEACHER BANNED FROM WEARING THE VEIL' or something similar. Then buried somewhere in the text we actually find out she's a teaching assistant. Why? Because saying she's a teaching assistant would not have nearly the same effect. At the school I work at it would be IMPOSSIBLE for anyone to teach wearing the veil. We have a designated special provision for teaching deaf children via the audiological route (with hearing aids), so lip reading also becomes important. A child can't do this if you are wearing a veil. Besides, none of the muslim students feel the need to wear it, yet they can observe every other Muslim ritual if they choose to do so.
cisono Posted 20 October 2006 Posted 20 October 2006 At the school I work at it would be IMPOSSIBLE for anyone to teach wearing the veil. We have a designated special provision for teaching deaf children via the audiological route (with hearing aids), so lip reading also becomes important. A child can't do this if you are wearing a veil. Besides, none of the muslim students feel the need to wear it, yet they can observe every other Muslim ritual if they choose to do so. I may have got this wrong but... what I have heard is that she would remove the veil when teaching children / in the classroom but would otherwise wear it, especially when male colleagues were around. Wonder what faces she was making behind the veil during staff meetings
Simon Posted 20 October 2006 Posted 20 October 2006 I may have got this wrong but... what I have heard is that she would remove the veil when teaching children / in the classroom but would otherwise wear it, especially when male colleagues were around. Wonder what faces she was making behind the veil during staff meetings So if she was assisting children in a classroom with a male teacher what would happen then???? <_<
cisono Posted 20 October 2006 Posted 20 October 2006 So if she was assisting children in a classroom with a male teacher what would happen then???? <_< I don't know, as I was not there. Perhaps turn away from him so he could not see her face PS: I don't like veils myself
Simon Posted 20 October 2006 Posted 20 October 2006 I don't know, as I was not there. Perhaps turn away from him so he could not see her face PS: I don't like veils myself I don't necessarily disagree with veils. Providing they do not interfere with a job, the country's security or civil law (for instance motorcyclists have to take their helmets off when they go into a shop or the bank) then I see no problem with them being worn if that is the wearers belief. However, as a side note if you're a woman visting Saudi, in many parts it is LAW to wear the veil whether you like it or not...
cisono Posted 20 October 2006 Posted 20 October 2006 I don't necessarily disagree with veils. Providing they do not interfere with a job, the country's security or civil law (for instance motorcyclists have to take their helmets off when they go into a shop or the bank) then I see no problem with them being worn if that is the wearers belief. However, as a side note if you're a woman visting Saudi, in many parts it is LAW to wear the veil whether you like it or not... Yeah, so I hear! All I can say is... many wars have been fought in the name of religion. Looking back, the reasons were usually very different
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