davieG Posted 31 October 2006 Share Posted 31 October 2006 Many posters have suggested that we should retain RK and employ a DofF. I can't say I'm too keen on the idea in prinicple, it rarely seems to work too well in England but I believe MM is in favour of such a position. My big problem is I just don't see anyone out there that is good enough, most 'experienced' ex-managers currently available seem to have too much 'failure baggage' or wouldn't accept such a position. Who is there I ask? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Don Posted 31 October 2006 Share Posted 31 October 2006 Big Ron Manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Fox Posted 31 October 2006 Share Posted 31 October 2006 Barry Fry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr The Singh Posted 31 October 2006 Share Posted 31 October 2006 Barry Fry Both excellant chioces, what about David Pleat!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Fox Posted 31 October 2006 Share Posted 31 October 2006 Both excellant chioces, what about David Pleat!!! Not sure about him really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 31 October 2006 Author Share Posted 31 October 2006 Early days but I'm already feeling more assured and happy at the prospect of a DofF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 31 October 2006 Share Posted 31 October 2006 Many posters have suggested that we should retain RK and employ a DofF. I can't say I'm too keen on the idea in prinicple, it rarely seems to work too well in England but I believe MM is in favour of such a position. My big problem is I just don't see anyone out there that is good enough, most 'experienced' ex-managers currently available seem to have too much 'failure baggage' or wouldn't accept such a position. Who is there I ask? I'm not entirely convinced a Director of football should in fact be an experienced former manager. They are too likely to want to be involbed in the first team. How about an experienced chief scout type person, who would have responsibility for identifying players in areas where the manager believes we are weak, and then agreeing on preferences with the manager and board, and then dealing with all of the administration of siging them, contracts etc. Maybe DoF is the wrong title? I'm just of a mind that when you have a young inexperienced manager, you should let them have the time to be able to do the key bits by taking away some of the time pressure of the administration side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 31 October 2006 Author Share Posted 31 October 2006 I'm not entirely convinced a Director of football should in fact be an experienced former manager. They are too likely to want to be involbed in the first team. How about an experienced chief scout type person, who would have responsibility for identifying players in areas where the manager believes we are weak, and then agreeing on preferences with the manager and board, and then dealing with all of the administration of siging them, contracts etc. Maybe DoF is the wrong title? I'm just of a mind that when you have a young inexperienced manager, you should let them have the time to be able to do the key bits by taking away some of the time pressure of the administration side. A Chief Scout with additional responsibilities sounds a much better option Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwell Pablo Posted 31 October 2006 Share Posted 31 October 2006 As I have said previously, this club misses Ray Graydon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 31 October 2006 Share Posted 31 October 2006 As I have said previously, this club misses Ray Graydon. Yes they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janx Posted 31 October 2006 Share Posted 31 October 2006 Wait till Steve Coppell goes down...or Harry Bassett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_miss_wembley_finals Posted 31 October 2006 Share Posted 31 October 2006 A Chief Scout with additional responsibilities sounds a much better option Totally agree - something along the lines of Frank Arnesen, the whole sporting director theme....but please god (MM) do not even consider Zajec! Not suggesting that it works for everyone, nor am I wanting us to go out tapping players up left, right and centre (ala Arnesen) but someone experienced in scouting and the contractural side of the game, plus a right hand man for the manager to consult when it comes to bouncing ideas around, whether its anything from training methods to tatics to press relations - guess the line is important, in that they don't cross it to have an influence on the team directly - may achieve this by a position equivalent to RK in the hierarchy and not senior to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 31 October 2006 Share Posted 31 October 2006 I'm not entirely convinced a Director of football should in fact be an experienced former manager. They are too likely to want to be involbed in the first team. How about an experienced chief scout type person, who would have responsibility for identifying players in areas where the manager believes we are weak, and then agreeing on preferences with the manager and board, and then dealing with all of the administration of siging them, contracts etc. Maybe DoF is the wrong title? I'm just of a mind that when you have a young inexperienced manager, you should let them have the time to be able to do the key bits by taking away some of the time pressure of the administration side. In which case what about the Academy/Reserves team coach Steve Beaglehole? He has been consistently successful bringing the best out of youth footballers at various places and has exactly the sort of approach to football which will put bums on seats once more. You only have to look at the balance and constantly positive attitude of his teams to know the guy has so much to offer. Surely he'd have a good eye for talent and would have first hand knowledge of our needs. He has also enjoyed demonstrable success. I'd imagine he's got good contacts and few would be more aware of the abilities of the best young footballers around the country. That's a suggestion for debate not an out-and-out proposal cos I don't know the bloke personally I've just seen, and heard from other admirers, what he's about. And I've witnessed first hand his undisguised enthusiasm and commitment to his job, his belief in attacking football. Perhaps he wouldn't want added responsibilities, I don't know. Perhaps such a move wouldn't appeal to the manager. There are many things to consider. But it's a thought. Don't know how good it would be for the Academy team though and that's a pretty important job at our club . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 31 October 2006 Share Posted 31 October 2006 In which case what about the Academy/Reserves team coach Steve Beaglehole? He has been consistently successful bringing the best out of youth footballers at various places and has exactly the sort of approach to football which will put bums on seats once more. You only have to look at the balance and constantly positive attitude of his teams to know the guy has so much to offer. Surely he'd have a good eye for talent and would have first hand knowledge of our needs. He has also enjoyed demonstrable success. I'd imagine he's got good contacts and few would be more aware of the abilities of the best young footballers around the country. That's a suggestion for debate not an out-and-out proposal cos I don't know the bloke personally I've just seen, and heard from other admirers, what he's about. And I've witnessed first hand his undisguised enthusiasm and commitment to his job, his belief in attacking football. Perhaps he wouldn't want added responsibilities, I don't know. Perhaps such a move wouldn't appeal to the manager. There are many things to consider. But it's a thought. Don't know how good it would be for the Academy team though and that's a pretty important job at our club . Given the players coming out of the Academy at the moment I'd be locking him up where he is not distratcing him with other responsibilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 31 October 2006 Share Posted 31 October 2006 Given the players coming out of the Academy at the moment I'd be locking him up where he is not distratcing him with other responsibilities. That thought had crossed my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daggers Posted 31 October 2006 Share Posted 31 October 2006 Dario Gradi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 31 October 2006 Share Posted 31 October 2006 Dario Gradi Do you think he'd be able to keep his hands off the team though? One of the old school who manage everything from the tea lady to the directors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatesheadfox Posted 31 October 2006 Share Posted 31 October 2006 Do you think he'd be able to keep his hands off the team though? One of the old school who manage everything from the tea lady to the directors. he's a director at crewe isnt he? absolute legend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 31 October 2006 Share Posted 31 October 2006 Dario Gradi Interesting idea but I wonder if he would ever leave Crewe. But if he did I'm quite sure from speaking to a pal who knew him well, that he'd be well capable of contributing to a team effort. Might even welcome it at this stage of his career. Not sure of his contract situation these days though. Didn't he used to have a 10-year rolling contract? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daggers Posted 31 October 2006 Share Posted 31 October 2006 Interesting idea but I wonder if he would ever leave Crewe. But if he did I'm quite sure from speaking to a pal who knew him well, that he'd be well capable of contributing to a team effort. Might even welcome it at this stage of his career. Not sure of his contract situation these days though. Didn't he used to have a 10-year rolling contract? One last challenge? He is an absolute Leg' in my book, absolute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FNQ Posted 31 October 2006 Share Posted 31 October 2006 For me, Dave Bassett is the ultimate director of football. The role was made for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hullfox Posted 31 October 2006 Share Posted 31 October 2006 Depends on the job description. SB has undoubtedly a great talent for developing the youngsters but would the role require a different set of skills that reached across the spectrum of football as a whole. He may well have those skills himself. It often appears to be a difficult relationship due to perceived conflicts of interest at various levels but for me any DoF would need to have no aspirations to manage/select the team. Can ex managers ever let go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_miss_wembley_finals Posted 31 October 2006 Share Posted 31 October 2006 I think someone along the lines of Gerard Houllier would be ideal, but obviously we are not a premiership club looking to get into Europe and suggestion is merely a name to represent the kind of character I think we need to be thinking about. I would say that Gradi would be a very interesting prospect, although again I imagine its highly unlikely. The style and approach to the game would also be a factor, someone of the same school of thought of big Sam might offer some useful input into the scientific side of the game which probably gets missed to a degree at City. Someone that has been around the block, a bit of a wheeler dealer, willing to act as a 'consultant' to RK, no black marks on their history - the choice is difficult and I suspect the kind of people that we are talking about are few and far between but may have gathered their experience serving as assistants rather than the management of a club from top to bottom. We need to combine the Authur Daley side of Jim Smith with the new style management techniques of Arsene Wenger, and the breadth of footballing knowledge of Dario Gradi, with a little Gordon Strachan thrown in for entertainment. .........no closer then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheese Me Posted 31 October 2006 Share Posted 31 October 2006 MON is only on a one year rolling contract.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Fox Posted 31 October 2006 Share Posted 31 October 2006 Brian Kidd maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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