So when are we hanging Bush and Blair

[BartonFox]

Those 2 are just as guilty as Saddam Hussain in my humble opinion.

How many innocents have they slaughtered since they lied their way in to Iraq, I bet it is more than 148.

[Jay]

Those 2 are just as guilty as Saddam Hussain in my humble opinion.

How many innocents have they slaughtered since they lied their way in to Iraq, I bet it is more than 148.

I must say Mr Barton Fox and with no offense intended I tend to disagree with most of the things you say but on this occasion I have to agree when I saw the footage of masked men leading Saddam to his death the whole video reminded me of the execution of western hostages from a couple of years ago and I fear this is the way it was intended to come across!!

I for many years have classed George Bush as the most dangerous man on this planet way ahead of the bloke in a cave in a mountain and Saddam!!

now as for the 148 within the next week the total number of American soldiers killed will go past the 3000 mark fighting a war where we shouldn't be!!

[Alexikokopops]

Those 2 are just as guilty as Saddam Hussain in my humble opinion.

How many innocents have they slaughtered since they lied their way in to Iraq, I bet it is more than 148.

Ah, but remember, they were "liberating" the people of Iraq.

[Webbo]

Those 2 are just as guilty as Saddam Hussain in my humble opinion.

How many innocents have they slaughtered since they lied their way in to Iraq, I bet it is more than 148.

tbh i was niether for or against the the invasion. i didn't think saddam was a threat to us, but he was a bad b@atard and the world would be a better place without him.

to compare bush and blair to him (and i'm no fan of either) is just stupid.

they didn't drop nerve gas on their own people, they didn't tourture and murder the relatives of dissidents just to keep the populace in line.

sure innocent people died in the invasion, that happens in every war, but the vast majority of people killed since

the invasion have been killed by iraqi insurgents not british or american troops. where atrocities have been commited the perpertrator have (wrongly imo) been tried and punished.

[MC Prussian]

I've only heard of the public hanging of Saddam this late morning, and I'm not sure whether it was the right thing to do.

Western "Democracies" have given terror faces to make it more salable. We were all "Saddamized" and "Bin Ladened" in the past few years, although we often forget that there are by far more people standing behind those movements and philosophies.

I'd have rather put him into an isolation cell for the reminder of his life, would've been by far more cruel and appropriate, so that the consequences of his evil deeds would've haunted him every day and every night.

As for Bush and Blair, the answer's simple: Blair is biding his farewell already and Bush won't get re-elected because no American President can rule longer than 8 years.

So much for that.

[Cobbo]

Bush should be hung by his own intrails. The man is evil.

Proper Christian - Do what I want or I'll damn well hurt and maybe kill you and your people.

[Daggers]

Bush should be made to live the rest of his natural born days up inside Blairs duodenum. Blair should have to live the rest of his life with Mr and Mrs John Prescott.

There's punishment for you

[Steven]

Those 2 are just as guilty as Saddam Hussain in my humble opinion.

How many innocents have they slaughtered since they lied their way in to Iraq, I bet it is more than 148.

It is called double standards and hypocrisy. <_<

[Daggers]

It is called double standards and hypocrisy. <_<

In which case they sound like ideal Moderators for the forum...I'll PM Mark straight away.

[Steven]

In which case they sound like ideal Moderators for the forum...I'll PM Mark straight away.

Not genocidal enough.

[BartonFox]

It is called double standards and hypocrisy. <_<

Don't get me wrong I am all for Saddam dangling from his neck but the hypocrisy is what gets me and my hatred fro Bush and Blair grows day by day.

Who'd have thought the killing execution of Saddam could get so many in the Western world wound up?

[Rincewind]

Winners arnt hanged they are given medals. They also write the history books.

[lcfcalan]

I do not particulaly support bush and blair in this affair. (here is the but )

But , we and the USA live in a democracy, we as a people voted for our 'leader'.

Our 'leaders' do not have the dictatorial power of that enjoyed by Saddam and Bin laden types.

So when pointing fingers, remember that as you point at a man, there are three pointing back at you. ( fingers thats is, generally speaking) Basically , it was our respective governments that took our countries to war , not the individuals bush and blair. And we voted them in.

Of course we have the right to disagree with what the govt did. But we are lucky, we will not be killed maimed or tortured for it. Our servicemen have historically and today fought for our rights to 'be free' This freedom includes speaking out in public.

The hanging of /taking the life of any human is a sad thing , but each to their own as to whether it is ever justified.

[Thracian]

I do not particulaly support bush and blair in this affair. (here is the but )

But , we and the USA live in a democracy, we as a people voted for our 'leader'.

Our 'leaders' do not have the dictatorial power of that enjoyed by Saddam and Bin laden types.

So when pointing fingers, remember that as you point at a man, there are three pointing back at you. ( fingers thats is, generally speaking) Basically , it was our respective governments that took our countries to war , not the individuals bush and blair. And we voted them in.

Of course we have the right to disagree with what the govt did. But we are lucky, we will not be killed maimed or tortured for it. Our servicemen have historically and today fought for our rights to 'be free' This freedom includes speaking out in public.

The hanging of /taking the life of any human is a sad thing , but each to their own as to whether it is ever justified.

I didn't vote Blair in. I labelled him "Grin and Blair It" from the off and politics apart he is an unashamed hypocrite.

Of course he should be answerable. He went into Iraq under false pretences from everything I've heard and read and that action has resulted in countless deaths. The same applies to Bush who put Blair in the corner he so willingly chose to sit in.

More than his politics Blair is a disgrace to Christianity.

Thou Shalt Not Kill is fundamental to Christianity. It is an unambiguous Commandment.

Saddam Hussein was an ulcer on the face of humanity but to make him the subject of an effectively public hanging declined the opportunity to say "Real humanity is above revenge".

All those who had a say in his hanging should have said instead that we will, for once, strike a real blow for decency.

There should have been other, wiser, options. They would likely have sent a far stronger message.

[Webbo]

I didn't vote Blair in. I labelled him "Grin and Blair It" from the off and politics apart he is an unashamed hypocrite.

Of course he should be answerable. He went into Iraq under false pretences from everything I've heard and read and that action has resulted in countless deaths. The same applies to Bush who put Blair in the corner he so willingly chose to sit in.

More than his politics Blair is a disgrace to Christianity.

Thou Shalt Not Kill is fundamental to Christianity. It is an unambiguous Commandment.

Saddam Hussein was an ulcer on the face of humanity but to make him the subject of an effectively public hanging declined the opportunity to say "Real humanity is above revenge".

All those who had a say in his hanging should have said instead that we will, for once, strike a real blow for decency.

There should have been other, wiser, options. They would likely have sent a far stronger message.

the thing that people forget is that the iraqi goverment decided that he should hang, not us.

[Thracian]

the thing that people forget is that the iraqi goverment decided that he should hang, not us.

Yes - and they above all people should have started their administration by taking a stance on behalf of humanity.

The message would have been stronger whereas Saddam's execution will only foster more hatred, more violence and more vengeful reaction.

[Webbo]

Yes - and they above all people should have started their administration by taking a stance on behalf of humanity.

The message would have been stronger whereas Saddam's execution will only foster more hatred, more violence and more vengeful reaction.

as i said on another thread, after the yanks pull out there's bound to be a civil war. what would happen if the sunnis win and put saddam back in power, all those thousands of deaths would have been in vain. i take no pleasure from saddam's death, but it was the only thing to do.

[BartonFox]

as i said on another thread, after the yanks pull out there's bound to be a civil war. what would happen if the sunnis win and put saddam back in power, all those thousands of deaths would have been in vain. i take no pleasure from saddam's death, but it was the only thing to do.

George Bush and Tony Blair are guilty of mass murder pure and simple, just because we live in a democracy doesn't exempt them from that.

[lildave3]

tbh i was niether for or against the the invasion. i didn't think saddam was a threat to us, but he was a bad b@atard and the world would be a better place without him.

to compare bush and blair to him (and i'm no fan of either) is just stupid.

they didn't drop nerve gas on their own people, they didn't tourture and murder the relatives of dissidents just to keep the populace in line.

sure innocent people died in the invasion, that happens in every war, but the vast majority of people killed since

the invasion have been killed by iraqi insurgents not british or american troops. where atrocities have been commited the perpertrator have (wrongly imo) been tried and punished.

Exactly.

[Ultra]

I do not particulaly support bush and blair in this affair. (here is the but )

But , we and the USA live in a democracy, we as a people voted for our 'leader'.

Our 'leaders' do not have the dictatorial power of that enjoyed by Saddam and Bin laden types.

So when pointing fingers, remember that as you point at a man, there are three pointing back at you. ( fingers thats is, generally speaking) Basically , it was our respective governments that took our countries to war , not the individuals bush and blair. And we voted them in.

Of course we have the right to disagree with what the govt did. But we are lucky, we will not be killed maimed or tortured for it. Our servicemen have historically and today fought for our rights to 'be free' This freedom includes speaking out in public.

The hanging of /taking the life of any human is a sad thing , but each to their own as to whether it is ever justified.

Bush took and retained power because of two shamelessly rigged elections, which the world would have rightly condemned if they had happened in somewhere like Palestine or Zimbabwe.

Blair only survived last year because of a hopelessly divided (and therefore weak) opposition. Labour's share of the vote was the lowest EVER of any UK governing party.

Our own "democratic" systems should be strengthened first before we seek to impose them in places like Iraq.

I don't mourn Saddam's death. But I do care about the dozens of civilians who die every day because of a power vacuum our taxes helped to create.

[Benji]

Well the full video has hit youtube, took longer than i thought.

Normally i'd never watch such a thing, but this, i couldn't not.

I'm not going to get into this hoo har about bush and blair, i find it a sad state of affairs when a topic, summarised by the title of this thread, is questioned. Not to say that it shouldn't, after all we are a '''democracy''', but there's been so much band wagon jumping since 9/11 it's turned into a joke.

[Benji]

There should have been other, wiser, options. They would likely have sent a far stronger message.

Is that the case though?

He lived in a country where all people believe in a 'better life after this' and to work in ' "Gods" name' would be a reward to them. Such people fear not death, that is why we have 9/11, london bombings, suicide bombers in iraq EVERY day.

I struggle to see how taking the 'moral highground' against such people would work? They hate us, they hate our way of living, our politics and our culture. As insignificant a thing as it is, when i see ours/americas flags being burnt in streets, i consider it the greatest insult of hatrid possible. A lot of people are brought up with one life purpose, to fight, to fight for whatever they're told/brought up to believe in.

Fight fire with fire? An eye for an eye? whatever saying you will, it may well be a cowardly and easy thing to do, hanging, but it's the only result realistic in my opinion. Hanging in itself is meant to be the public shaming it is, a firing squad would give him a military respect as some great leader, he knew that, that's why before he was hanged he wrote in his letter that he is sacrificing himself by hanging, he's worming any kind of respect out of it that he can.

Goodbye, farewell, bring on 2007...

p.s. I'm not a bush fan, and not particularly a blair one either, but to even 'joke' to hang them is laughable?

[Webbo]

Well the full video has hit youtube, took longer than i thought.

Normally i'd never watch such a thing, but this, i couldn't not.

I'm not going to get into this hoo har about bush and blair, i find it a sad state of affairs when a topic, summarised by the title of this thread, is questioned. Not to say that it shouldn't, after all we are a '''democracy''', but there's been so much band wagon jumping since 9/11 it's turned into a joke.

why not?

[Benji]

why not?

I can't say watching someone fall, hang, and then see their dead face in a nouse is my kind of thing.

But i guess i had to see this one

[Thracian]

Is that the case though?

He lived in a country where all people believe in a 'better life after this' and to work in ' "Gods" name' would be a reward to them. Such people fear not death, that is why we have 9/11, london bombings, suicide bombers in iraq EVERY day.

I struggle to see how taking the 'moral highground' against such people would work? They hate us, they hate our way of living, our politics and our culture. As insignificant a thing as it is, when i see ours/americas flags being burnt in streets, i consider it the greatest insult of hatrid possible. A lot of people are brought up with one life purpose, to fight, to fight for whatever they're told/brought up to believe in.

Fight fire with fire? An eye for an eye? whatever saying you will, it may well be a cowardly and easy thing to do, hanging, but it's the only result realistic in my opinion. Hanging in itself is meant to be the public shaming it is, a firing squad would give him a military respect as some great leader, he knew that, that's why before he was hanged he wrote in his letter that he is sacrificing himself by hanging, he's worming any kind of respect out of it that he can.

Goodbye, farewell, bring on 2007...

p.s. I'm not a bush fan, and not particularly a blair one either, but to even 'joke' to hang them is laughable?

I hope you're not suggesting I said hang Blair or Bush. All I said was that they should be answerable.

From a Christian point of view there is no defence for hanging anyone but from the perspective of the Iraqi government it seems to me that the tide needs to turn away from violence as being the response to every problem if the country is ever again to be a place worth living in.

It is only with your response to people like Saddam Hussain that you can establish a very public standard for the future.

Mercy can be an extremely powerful weapon...especially against permanently vengeful opposition.

Strength to my mind is in the word not the weapons. Education is the key and the right PR. Having something to collectively believe in and standing by it can help. Especially if it's a defensible something that you stand for.

When did an eye for an eye solve anything?. All it does is leave two people disabled instead of one! I prefer the notion "vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord".

Vengeance in people is cancerous. It can eat into an entire life - even great chunks of a people's history. Just ask the Irish. And to what end that doesn't eventually involve dialogue?

PS: I'm not at all sure about all Muslims having no fear of death. Nor am I qualified to give an opinion. But I do know of many Christian people who believe in life ever yet very few I meet want to test the theory before their time.