Should Homosexuals be allowed to

[The People's Hero]

There are two different questions here I suppose... not just within this thread, which is quite specific and perhaps narrow but in terms of what is going on in the media at the moment.

Firstly, this question of gay couples adopting.

Secondly, where do you draw the line between the law of one country and the principles and rules of religion?

It's not a question which can be answered... it's one which will be 'decided' and then the various organisations involved will have to live with it.

[Leicfox]

Whats that got to do with the price of fish? thats just three words... what do you mean?

You said sex is irelevent, and a man can bring a child up just as well as a women. I agree with you as would Fathers 4 Justice, although the courts deem otherwise.

We should first be trying to sort that out before THE Gays are allowed to adopt.

[Janx]

There are two different questions here I suppose... not just within this thread, which is quite specific and perhaps narrow but in terms of what is going on in the media at the moment.

Firstly, this question of gay couples adopting.

Secondly, where do you draw the line between the law of one country and the principles and rules of religion?

It's not a question which can be answered... it's one which will be 'decided' and then the various organisations involved will have to live with it.

I thin kthats just confusing the issue... the question was Should HOMOSEXUALS be allowed to father children... basically their sexual orientation being the deciding factor.... fooking ludicrous!

If we are gonna get all fascist dictatory about it... I propose.... compulsory means testing for all parents based on ability, intelligence, attitude, ethics, morals, money(being able to support as apposed to be supported) etc etc.... that way all the biggotted little sumbags wont bring up hooded car thieving scum and expect me to pay for them.

[Geo V]

NO

I dont really want to go too deep into the whys as I`ll only offend a number of the gay community, some who may also be members on here? I`ll also sound homophobic, which I probably am (well, without the hatred!)

[Janx]

NO

I dont really want to go too deep into the whys as I`ll only offend a number of the gay community, some who may also be members on here? I`ll also sound homophobic, which I probably am (well, without the hatred!)

SO you dont have the nerve to back it up, yet you have the bottle to vote... hmmm

[Louise]

I don't know why, but I am surprised by the results of the poll so far.

[Janx]

I don't know why, but I am surprised by the results of the poll so far.

Sadly Im not... I give up!

[The People's Hero]

I thin kthats just confusing the issue... the question was Should HOMOSEXUALS be allowed to father children... basically their sexual orientation being the deciding factor.... fooking ludicrous!

If we are gonna get all fascist dictatory about it... I propose.... compulsory means testing for all parents based on ability, intelligence, attitude, ethics, morals, money(being able to support as apposed to be supported) etc etc.... that way all the biggotted little sumbags wont bring up hooded car thieving scum and expect me to pay for them.

Good post mate... In my opinion you're spot on.

There are more important issues surrounding adoption and who is suitable to adopt and who isn't than the sex of the parents.

[MC Prussian]

Alex, you need to qualify that surely? Why for gods sake... what is it that a woman does to a child that a man cant ...do you mean the tender soft nature? the fact that they are better at cooking and cleaning or putting cream on scraped knees or talking about periods with daughters... again SEX IS IRRELEVANT!

Hmmm...

I'm not saying homosexuals can't raise kids on their own (adoption springs to mind).

For example, in sexual education, a mother's more qualified to talk to her daughter than a father.

This debate somewhat reminds me of the introduction of the divorce laws and standards introduced in the late 70ies and early 80ies, giving more rights to mothers. We're discussing an issue without knowing what the outcome will be. 25 years ago, people were complaining that a lack of a father figure would destroy a kid.

I don't care whether the parents are homo or hetero, as long as they treat their kid right.

And no... SEX IS NOT IRRELEVANT! SEX IS GOOD!

[Dr The Singh]

I thin kthats just confusing the issue... the question was Should HOMOSEXUALS be allowed to father children... basically their sexual orientation being the deciding factor.... fooking ludicrous!

If we are gonna get all fascist dictatory about it... I propose.... compulsory means testing for all parents based on ability, intelligence, attitude, ethics, morals, money(being able to support as apposed to be supported) etc etc.... that way all the biggotted little sumbags wont bring up hooded car thieving scum and expect me to pay for them.

We obviously need to put the child first, I am no expert on the effects of same sex parents raising children, particularly early development, so I cannot really comment on the positivities or the negativities.

But as we have seen in society in general, good parentage is not dependant on any particluar thing,race, sex or otherwise but dependant on the parents themselves!

From a religious perspective, for me religion is personal thing and no religious belief should imposed on anyone, so it's for society to decide and not religion!!!!

[Janx]

Hmmm...

I'm not saying homosexuals can't raise kids on their own (adoption springs to mind).

For example, in sexual education, a mother's more qualified to talk to her daughter than a father.This debate somewhat reminds me of the introduction of the divorce laws and standards introduced in the late 70ies and early 80ies, giving more rights to mothers. We're discussing an issue without knowing what the outcome will be. 25 years ago, people were complaining that a lack of a father figure would destroy a kid.

I don't care whether the parents are homo or hetero, as long as they treat their kid right.

And no... SEX IS NOT IRRELEVANT! SEX IS GOOD!

Crap... look at the amount of 13 yr old mothers or teenagers with chlamydia abortion rates etc etc etc need I go on!

[Geo V]

SO you dont have the nerve to back it up, yet you have the bottle to vote... hmmm

Janx you really are dangling the noose out for me to hang myself mate? I`ll try my best to oblige

I dont believe that homosexuals are born "that way" for starters. Because I dislike the fact that so many homosexuals SEEM to come from a fudged up lifestyle is a problem for me. I have worked as a retail manager for 12 years and have had quite afew members of staff who were gay who would tell me how shite there childhood was.

Now whats that got to do with adoption you may ask?? Well thanks, I`ll tell ya

I would hate to know that a child brought into this world would have his/her lifestyle mapped out for them. Far too many gay couples seem to have gay children although the child isnt genetic theres which is an interesting fact (dont ask me to try and justify that but there was some survey a couple of years back).

The irony is that as parents, gay couples may well be more loving than certain hetrosexual couples and be great parents but the fact is the world is a cruel place and the children must be paramount in the thought process and you can just picture the hassle that they will be on the receiving end from muppets like me

I`ll get my coat

[MC Prussian]

Crap... look at the amount of 13 yr old mothers or teenagers with chlamydia abortion rates etc etc etc need I go on!

Well, I didn't say that reality always holds up to theory, did I?

There's always points for or points against male or female sex education.

It's not just the non-savant wannabe-grown-up teenage girls in skirts, push-ups and high heels. Men are still in the majority when it comes to rape and physical violence in general (and we've always been tops in that category, sadly enough).

It all boils down to education.

That and personal preference.

[Daggers]

For example, in sexual education, a mother's more qualified to talk to her daughter than a father.

I have to say - nonsense.

My wife is absolutely crap at discussing any matters when the kids ask questions...fending it all off to me to deal with, seeing as I am thousands of other men deliver sex ed to both sexes all the freekin time.

A persons sex does not predispose them to a better level of communication on reproductive matters.

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If I were to die with the wife, what do I want for my kids? I would want them to be raised in a home where love, respect, tolerance and understanding run to the core. Where being valued for who they are and all the positives they bring to the table are the focus...not where political bigotry is stuffed down their throats.

We have a situation in this country whereby it is nigh-on impossible to find heterosexual couples prepared to adopt...and where the process does its utmost to dissuade or fail them. At the same time we have children's homes full of kids in dire need of love and support. As a nation we fail them. Everyday they remain in care we fail them. As each day passes and we prevent willing guardians from being able to nurture, we fail them.

Do people here think that living in a home is preferable? Do people here seriously think that kids from care homes don't get bullied simply because they come from a care home? Abject crap.

Actually, what I should have done was to trim down that question to "Do people here think?"

The current state of the poll amply demonstrates that an awful lot of you don't.

[Janx]

Studies have shown that many gay men are the result of a lack of a loving father....

I.e no hugs and kisses and "i love you son"...

nopt my opinion, just "studies"

Interesting though dont you think?

[Daggers]

There's always points for or points against male or female sex education.

It's not just the non-savant wannabe-grown-up teenage girls in skirts, push-ups and high heels. Men are still in the majority when it comes to rape and physical violence in general (and we've always been tops in that category, sadly enough).

Men are bad at sex-ed because we rape? Is that your point? Seriously?

[Janx]

I have to say - nonsense.

My wife is absolutely crap at discussing any matters when the kids ask questions...fending it all off to me to deal with, seeing as I am thousands of other men deliver sex ed to both sexes all the freekin time.

A persons sex does not predispose them to a better level of communication on reproductive matters.

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If I were to die with the wife, what do I want for my kids? I would want them to be raised in a home where love, respect, tolerance and understanding run to the core. Where being valued for who they are and all the positives they bring to the table are the focus...not where political bigotry is stuffed down their throats.

We have a situation in this country whereby it is nigh-on impossible to find heterosexual couples prepared to adopt...and where the process does its utmost to dissuade or fail them. At the same time we have children's homes full of kids in dire need of love and support. As a nation we fail them. Everyday they remain in care we fail them. As each day passes and we prevent willing guardians from being able to nurture, we fail them.

Do people here think that living in a home is preferable? Do people here seriously think that kids from care homes don't get bullied simply because they come from a care home? Abject crap.

Actually, what I should have done was to trim down that question to "Do people here think?"

The current state of the poll amply demonstrates that an awful lot of you don't.

Wasting breath seems to spring to mind..

[Louise]

There are also plenty of single parents who are men, and plenty of hetero couples in which the male partner feels more comfortable than the female partner in talking about sex with their children. I'd say it does men and fathers a great disservice to say that they can't talk about these things with their daughters. Not to mention that sex ed at school is often done by male teachers, and if a woman has a sexual problem they can/may have to see a male doctor.

Anyway, surely if we're discussing homosexual couples, we're also talking about lesbian couples. Under the theory that women are better, we should all be given them our children.

[MC Prussian]

The lack of a proper education (in all departments) either stems from a personal deficit in that direction (for whatever reason, e.g. poor or low education) or from ignorance.

[Daggers]

Studies have shown that many gay men are the result of a lack of a loving father....

My Dad never hugged, kissed or told me that he loved me.

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...Oi, you lot...stop pushing your arses against the wall. Fekkin eejuts.

[MC Prussian]

My Dad never hugged, kissed or told me that he loved me.

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...Oi, you lot...stop pushing your arses against the wall. Fekkin eejuts.

[Janx]

There are also plenty of single parents who are men, and plenty of hetero couples in which the male partner feels more comfortable than the female partner in talking about sex with their children. I'd say it does men and fathers a great disservice to say that they can't talk about these things with their daughters. Not to mention that sex ed at school is often done by male teachers, and if a woman has a sexual problem they can/may have to see a male doctor.

Anyway, surely if we're discussing homosexual couples, we're also talking about lesbian couples. Under the theory that women are better, we should all be given them our children.

Sadly Louise, or happily I suppose, Lesbianism seems to be prefered to gay men adopting?? WTF?

A step forward and back at the same time?

[Janx]

Bravo! <_<

[Geo V]

My Dad never hugged, kissed or told me that he loved me.

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...Oi, you lot...stop pushing your arses against the wall. Fekkin eejuts.

Every child needs a dad, as long as he isnt Gary Glitteresque

BTW, I want to go on record in saying that despite being against the butch lesbians that can be found on episodes of Prisoner Cell Block H (sorry to the younger readers), I have nothing against good looking lesbians or bi-sexual women. Infact, back in about 2002 I dated a women for about 8 months who told me on our first date she liked women as much as men. I put my pride to the side and had some fun before I decided that I wasnt woman enough for her despite my attempts. Aaaaaah thank god for the camcorder

[Thracian]

I have to say - nonsense.

My wife is absolutely crap at discussing any matters when the kids ask questions...fending it all off to me to deal with, seeing as I am thousands of other men deliver sex ed to both sexes all the freekin time.

A persons sex does not predispose them to a better level of communication on reproductive matters.

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If I were to die with the wife, what do I want for my kids? I would want them to be raised in a home where love, respect, tolerance and understanding run to the core. Where being valued for who they are and all the positives they bring to the table are the focus...not where political bigotry is stuffed down their throats.

We have a situation in this country whereby it is nigh-on impossible to find heterosexual couples prepared to adopt...and where the process does its utmost to dissuade or fail them. At the same time we have children's homes full of kids in dire need of love and support. As a nation we fail them. Everyday they remain in care we fail them. As each day passes and we prevent willing guardians from being able to nurture, we fail them.

Do people here think that living in a home is preferable? Do people here seriously think that kids from care homes don't get bullied simply because they come from a care home? Abject crap.

Actually, what I should have done was to trim down that question to "Do people here think?"

The current state of the poll amply demonstrates that an awful lot of you don't.

There are lots of heterosexual couples who would be willing to adopt.

But they have no desire to go through the invasive and judgemental procedures which are conducted by and on behalf of people who may quite easily have their own agendas concerning who they consider right and worthy potential parents.

I've brought my three kids up. I am bloody sure I'm not answerable to some authoritarian inquisitor about whether I can do it or not. Especially as, nowadays, you are probably speaking to "judges" whose personal home life and relationship is a complete mess.

Of course, you suspect that the social manipulators we all know are within the system are aware of this and realise that most traditional heterosexual family couples wouldn't dream of putting themselves through such a miserable and dissuading vetting procedure.

That leaves only the people who are so fanatical about adoption that they'll put up with anything.

You would have to wonder if such people really are the best as adopters though because I'd say that one major requirement for someone being adopted is that they go to parents who have brought children up before and who are familiar with all the problems that go with parenting.

It is those parents who will have an infrastructure in place to ensure that the new family member has brothers and sisters, together with their friends, all around him/her.

In that environment they would soon feel "at home" and a part of something.