Zingari Posted 23 February 2007 Posted 23 February 2007 do you still have to stand to attention when you run it up the flag pole ?
Daggers Posted 23 February 2007 Posted 23 February 2007 Protects "a bunch of pricks"? And there was me thinking they were for individual use - oh well, whatever floats your boat davie
Dr The Singh Posted 23 February 2007 Posted 23 February 2007 At last I can put some balck in the union jack!!!
James. Posted 23 February 2007 Posted 23 February 2007 This reminds me. Apparently a Union Jack is only a Union Jack if flown on a naval ship. Otherwise it's just a Jack. Is that interesting? Thought not.
Zingari Posted 23 February 2007 Posted 23 February 2007 This reminds me. Apparently a Union Jack is only a Union Jack if flown on a naval ship. Otherwise it's just a Jack. Is that interesting? Thought not. i thought that union jack was just a nickname from the navy and properly it should be called the union flag anyway its still a fantastic design and probably the most recognised throughout the world unlike most tricolours etc that are easily confused.
shen Posted 23 February 2007 Posted 23 February 2007 i thought that union jack was just a nickname from the navy and properly it should be called the union flag anyway its still a fantastic design and probably the most recognised throughout the world unlike most tricolours etc that are easily confused. It's a nice flag alright. Why is it the Welsh flag isn't represented on the Union Jack though? Did the Welsh flag not exist then, or what is the reason behind it? edit: I like the new 'flag' too
Manwell Pablo Posted 23 February 2007 Posted 23 February 2007 It's a nice flag alright. Why is it the Welsh flag isn't represented on the Union Jack though? Did the Welsh flag not exist then, or what is the reason behind it? edit: I like the new 'flag' too In short Wales is not represented on the Union Jack as it is not a country, it's the shit part of England.
shen Posted 23 February 2007 Posted 23 February 2007 In short Wales is not represented on the Union Jack as it is not a country, it's the shit part of England. I see. In reality the union jack is just another outdated symbol of the former greatness of Great Britain, right?
lookwhaticando Posted 23 February 2007 Posted 23 February 2007 A Jack is the small flag flying at the rear of a naval vessel. The Union's flag is commonly known as the Union Jack, but I think it's officially considered the Union Flag - although this term isn't used all that often. And, although the Union Flag is supposedly the official name, the term Union Jack is often used in official government documentation and so on... There's been some confusion about which name it really is... but since the Union Jack name has supposedly been in use since the 1700s and remains popular today, there's really no need to worry about it.
Manwell Pablo Posted 23 February 2007 Posted 23 February 2007 I see. In reality the union jack is just another outdated symbol of the former greatness of Great Britain, right? We may not be great anymore but at least we aren't all ginger. And it's not cold here ALL the time. And Carlsberg tastes like cats piss. So there.
Finnegan Posted 23 February 2007 Posted 23 February 2007 Ball fists, grit teeth, glare, mutter, etc. Wales isn't represented on the Union Jack because we were annexed and not conquered with a solitary military campaign. There are (were?) plans to incorporate a dragon into the center of the flag but frankly I don't give a toss.
shen Posted 23 February 2007 Posted 23 February 2007 A Jack is the small flag flying at the rear of a naval vessel. The Union's flag is commonly known as the Union Jack, but I think it's officially considered the Union Flag - although this term isn't used all that often. And, although the Union Flag is supposedly the official name, the term Union Jack is often used in official government documentation and so on... There's been some confusion about which name it really is... but since the Union Jack name has supposedly been in use since the 1700s and remains popular today, there's really no need to worry about it. It seems a British trait, to confuse people. I also noted on wikipedia that BBC even write union jack (in lower case) on purpose. 1) We may not be great anymore but at least we aren't all ginger. 2) And it's not cold here ALL the time. 3) And Carlsberg tastes like cats piss. So there. 1) It depends where in the UK you are. We certainly aren't ginger over here either 2) Ditto. 3) I've never tasted cats piss, but Carlsberg is awful, I agree!
shen Posted 23 February 2007 Posted 23 February 2007 Ball fists, grit teeth, glare, mutter, etc. Wales isn't represented on the Union Jack because we were annexed and not conquered with a solitary military campaign. There are (were?) plans to incorporate a dragon into the center of the flag but frankly I don't give a toss. As I said, it's just grossly outdated. Like the fact that the Irish flag is still represented in it...
Finnegan Posted 23 February 2007 Posted 23 February 2007 The Irish flag isn't represented in it. The flag of St. Patrick which was used to represent Ireland by the British is incorporated into the flag and Northern Ireland which is still Britain still uses a similar motif.
shen Posted 23 February 2007 Posted 23 February 2007 The Irish flag isn't represented in it. The flag of St. Patrick which was used to represent Ireland by the British is incorporated into the flag and Northern Ireland which is still Britain still uses a similar motif. Well that's the point I was trying to make. The whole situation with NI is just convenient in this case, but since it's the incorporation of Ireland into Great Britain back then that triggered the flag of St. Patrick, it's kind of perverse to use the flag in modern times.
Finnegan Posted 23 February 2007 Posted 23 February 2007 No it isn't. It represents British government in Ireland. The British government is still in Ireland. What's complicated about that? I really, really can't be arsed with some massive debate about Britain and Ireland that'll inevitably end up about Wales too. Suffice to say, I'm rather anti-British and I'm still telling you that the cross of St. Patrick's use in the Union Flag (which it's known as, you're wrong LWICD it's always "Union" it's just not a Jack unless it's on a boat) is not "perverse" or "out-dated." Though whether or not Britain should still have rule over a portion of Ireland is an entirely different debate.
lookwhaticando Posted 23 February 2007 Posted 23 February 2007 No it isn't. It represents British government in Ireland. The British government is still in Ireland. What's complicated about that? I really, really can't be arsed with some massive debate about Britain and Ireland that'll inevitably end up about Wales too. Suffice to say, I'm rather anti-British and I'm still telling you that the cross of St. Patrick's use in the Union Flag (which it's known as, you're wrong LWICD it's always "Union" it's just not a Jack unless it's on a boat) is not "perverse" or "out-dated." Though whether or not Britain should still have rule over a portion of Ireland is an entirely different debate. My post was a sort of virtual mumble. To clarify it a little... I stated, right off the bat, that a Jack, in general, was a flag on the rear of a naval vessel - flown at certain times. I went on to point out that Union Jack has been the popular name since it was thought to originate in the 1700s - rightly or wrongly, that's what people tend to call it. I also pointed out that it's the Union Flag officially, but even then some official documentation does refer to the Union Jack just in case anyone's confused. My last point was that there's confusion in some quarters (popular press, everyday life etc) about which name to use, but nobody seems to think it's that important. If it was really very important, someone would make sure everyone called it Union Flag - apart from the time it's on the back of a ship/boat. Never did I drop the Union (perish the thought).
shen Posted 23 February 2007 Posted 23 February 2007 No it isn't. It represents British government in Ireland. The British government is still in Ireland. What's complicated about that? I really, really can't be arsed with some massive debate about Britain and Ireland that'll inevitably end up about Wales too. Suffice to say, I'm rather anti-British and I'm still telling you that the cross of St. Patrick's use in the Union Flag (which it's known as, you're wrong LWICD it's always "Union" it's just not a Jack unless it's on a boat) is not "perverse" or "out-dated." Though whether or not Britain should still have rule over a portion of Ireland is an entirely different debate. Well it doesn't say that on the Union Flag, that only NI is represented through that cross. Historically it symoblises the whole of Ireland being under British rule, which is why I call it "outdated" and "perverse" But fair enough, let's not start a huge debate about it.
Finnegan Posted 23 February 2007 Posted 23 February 2007 It's a British symbol used by the British to represent Ireland. Hence it is a connotation of the British government in Ireland (the Island, not the republic) which it still is.
shen Posted 23 February 2007 Posted 23 February 2007 It's a British symbol used by the British to represent Ireland. Hence it is a connotation of the British government in Ireland (the Island, not the republic) which it still is. This is really just a technical discussion, isn't it? My understanding is that the cross, which was incorporated into the flag back then in 1800 or so, was a British symbol of the Kingdom of Ireland (the WHOLE island/country, whichever you want to call it). The Union Flag has remained the same since then, despite the split of the island of Ireland into two separate states. As an outsider, learning about the history of the Union Flag, I'd certainly interpret the current version as a symbol of past times when the whole KoI was under British rule, rather than being a symbol of British government in a part of the island. Sorry for the tediousness of that post...
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