Madeleine McCann

[Rincewind]

The DNA could have eliminated the McCann's from the inquiries.. Now there is speculation and conspiracy theories..Surely if they suspected an abduction they would not have touched anything so as to aid the investigation.

[Webbo]

I am aware of that Webbo. But cadaver odour is the scent of death.

The scent of whose death? Are you suggesting that someone can be found guilty because a dog barked when it smelt a teddy bear?

The DNA could have eliminated the McCann's from the inquiries.. Now there is speculation and conspiracy theories..Surely if they suspected an abduction they would not have touched anything so as to aid the investigation.

How?

 

Also they were on holiday in the apartment their DNA would be all over the apartment already.

[Guest MattP]

The DNA could have eliminated the McCann's from the inquiries.. Now there is speculation and conspiracy theories..Surely if they suspected an abduction they would not have touched anything so as to aid the investigation.

Again how on earth can anyone predict how you react when you find out a child is missing? ?

This is so ridiculous, no one knows how they would.

"The kids are missing"! "Omg don't touch anything, it could harm the long term murder investigation and we might need to be acquitted"

[l444ry]

The scent of whose death? Are you suggesting that someone can be found guilty because a dog barked when it smelt a teddy bear?

How?

 

Also they were on holiday in the apartment their DNA would be all over the apartment already.

 

Nobody had ever previously been reported as dying in the apartment. So whose cadaver odour was it then? Very doubtful that it was transferred by Kate McCann as she originally claimed.

Edited 12 December 2014 by l444ry

[Rincewind]

Eliminated if they found DNA that was not theirs.

[Webbo]

Nobody had ever previously been reported as dying in the apartment. So who's cadaver odour was it then? Very doubtful that it was transferred by Kate McCann as she originally claimed.

Ignoring the fact that you're willing to condemn someone on the opinion of a dog, what is cadaver smell? If you cut your finger and some blood dripped onto a blanket would that make the same smell a few weeks later. How long does a body have had to decayed before it makes that smell? Could Madeline have been dead long enough between disappearing and the disposal of the body to make that smell?

[Webbo]

Eliminated if they found DNA that was not theirs.

It's a holiday apartment there'd be hundreds of different people who could have stopped/visited/worked at there.

[Rincewind]

True. I'm turning into Zingari. I'll meekly bow out of the discussion now.

[l444ry]

Ignoring the fact that you're willing to condemn someone on the opinion of a dog, what is cadaver smell? If you cut your finger and some blood dripped onto a blanket would that make the same smell a few weeks later. How long does a body have had to decayed before it makes that smell? Could Madeline have been dead long enough between disappearing and the disposal of the body to make that smell?

 

Trained Cadaver Dogs can detect the presence of human ‘cadaverine’, a special chemical released from a dead body, usually after the body has been dead for at least two hours.

A different dog detected the blood at a separate time.

[Bettsj2]

So you'd raise money for an investigation which might prove yourself guilty just to convince people that you didn't do it even though the police couldn't find any evidence against you?

All the money goes to Private Investigators and Organisations that they control. There is absolutely no risk to them whatsoever.

[Bettsj2]

Certainly if this thread is anything to go by, their plan not to attract attention has backfired spectacularly.

All this stuff about the cadaver odour and such, if this is real evidence, why aren't they in jail? Is there an implication that the police are in on this? Are we suggesting that because they're ordinary middle class professionals that means they're sufficiently connected to be able to have murder of a child covered up?

Whilst there is no body, there can be no murder or accidental death. Without a body, all of the evidence can be dismissed with explanations regardless of how ludicrous they are.

[Webbo]

All the money goes to Private Investigators and Organisations that they control. There is absolutely no risk to them whatsoever.

So you tell the investigators not to investigate you and that makes you look less suspicious?

[Bettsj2]

Again how on earth can anyone predict how you react when you find out a child is missing? ?

This is so ridiculous, no one knows how they would.

"The kids are missing"! "Omg don't touch anything, it could harm the long term murder investigation and we might need to be acquitted"

'The kids are missing!! Better steam clean the apartment. We dont want the Police thinking we're slobs.'

[Bettsj2]

So you tell the investigators not to investigate you and that makes you look less suspicious?

The investigators are told to look for the child. There was a report from one of them that they were following a lead in Japan. The premise given that the girl is still alive eliminates them from even being considered.

I would imagine some of the money raised has gone on paying legal costs for the amount of people they've tried to sue that have accused them of anything.

Personally, i'm open to the possibility that they've done nothing wrong, but everything that they say and do just doesnt sit right. From the start of leaving them alone in the apartment to the inconsistency in the tapas gangs stories and all the evidence that contradicts the abduction that they say took place.

If it was an abduction, it must be up there with the riskiest operations in criminal history. When you actually think about that explanation, its pretty laughable.

Edited 12 December 2014 by Bettsj2

[Webbo]

I'll concede that it's possible that the parents were involved in some way, not that I believe for a second that they were. 

 

If they hadn't made such a fuss all this would have been forgotten 5 years ago. It doesn't make sense that they would keep it in the public eye if they were guilty.

[Bettsj2]

I'll concede that it's possible that the parents were involved in some way, not that I believe for a second that they were.

If they hadn't made such a fuss all this would have been forgotten 5 years ago. It doesn't make sense that they would keep it in the public eye if they were guilty.

There have been examples in the recent past of people doing the same thing, Phillpot and the Shannon Matthews saga for example. On both occassions though they and the people they were using to help them were not as smart as the Tapas Brigade.

Personally, I dont think they had anything to do with her death. I imagine there was some sort of accident in the apartment whilst they weren't there and because of that, they panicked, hid her and have covered it up ever since.

I cant see why anyone would risk abducting a child in those circumstances.

[Grewks]

I'll concede that it's possible that the parents were involved in some way, not that I believe for a second that they were. 

 

If they hadn't made such a fuss all this would have been forgotten 5 years ago. It doesn't make sense that they would keep it in the public eye if they were guilty.

 

 

Surely not caring about her appearance and just letting to go away is more guilty?

 

 

Personally, I strongly believe the parents played some role. Deliberate murder? Probably not.

[MooseBreath]

Trained Cadaver Dogs can detect the presence of human ‘cadaverine’, a special chemical released from a dead body, usually after the body has been dead for at least two hours.

A different dog detected the blood at a separate time.

Given it was about five weeks between the disappearance and the arrival of the dogs, this cadaver must be pretty hardy stuff, obviously not the kind of thing you could get rid of with a quick wash. Could it not be the case that the cadaver was transported to the apartment and cars by police detectives? It's not unreasonable to assume that the same detectives who look at this case had been around dead bodies and could have had cadaver on their clothes. If just cleaning and the passage of time doesn't get rid of it, then some detectives are probably wading around in the stuff. They've then attended the apartment and looked at the car and left the traces of the cadaver which the dog picked up on.

Just a theory.

Here's another.

The Portuguese police were involved, or at least know who did and and want to protect them (maybe someone influential). Explains why they basically wrecked the supposed crime scene in the first 24hrs, and they had plenty of time to plant traces or cadaver.

Edited 13 December 2014 by MooseBreath

[FoxesAreBlue]

Into the doughnut of uncertainty is injected the foul jam of total bollocks

I love it when a brilliant post appears out of the blue like this one.

[l444ry]

Given it was about five weeks between the disappearance and the arrival of the dogs, this cadaver must be pretty hardy stuff, obviously not the kind of thing you could get rid of with a quick wash. Could it not be the case that the cadaver was transported to the apartment and cars by police detectives? It's not unreasonable to assume that the same detectives who look at this case had been around dead bodies and could have had cadaver on their clothes. If just cleaning and the passage of time doesn't get rid of it, then some detectives are probably wading around in the stuff. They've then attended the apartment and looked at the car and left the traces of the cadaver which the dog picked up on.

Just a theory.

Here's another.

The Portuguese police were involved, or at least know who did and and want to protect them (maybe someone influential). Explains why they basically wrecked the supposed crime scene in the first 24hrs, and they had plenty of time to plant traces or cadaver.

The dogs were brought in on advice from the British Police. The handler and dogs were also British. Therefore the British Police would have to be part of the "framing"  as well.

 

 

http://whathappenedtomadeleinemccann.blogspot.co.uk/2011/05/evidence-of-cadaver-dogs.html

Edited 13 December 2014 by l444ry

[MooseBreath]

The dogs were brought in on advice from the British Police. The handler and dogs were also British. Therefore the British Police would have to be part of the "framing" as well.

http://whathappenedtomadeleinemccann.blogspot.co.uk/2011/05/evidence-of-cadaver-dogs.html

Portuguese police 'plant' cadaver, dogs find it, makes it look like the McCann's. Don't see why British police would need to be in on it?

[l444ry]

Portuguese police 'plant' cadaver, dogs find it, makes it look like the McCann's. Don't see why British police would need to be in on it?

 

If that were the case, why didn't the Portuguese Police plant a full profile DNA instead of incomplete? Doesn't make sense Moose! 

[Webbo]

If that were the case, why didn't the Portuguese Police plant a full profile DNA instead of incomplete? Doesn't make sense Moose! 

What/whose DNA? What would it prove?

[MooseBreath]

Wouldn't it raise questions as to how it wasn't picked up before?

[l444ry]

What/whose DNA? What would it prove?

 

Madeleine's DNA.