Madeleine McCann

[urban.spaceman]

Just now, Voll Blau said:

Three's where it starts kicking off a bit.

I’m on episode 7. Can’t wait to see what happens in the finale. 

[Carl the Llama]

Overheard my housemate and his Romanian (so therefore less exposed to the story over the years) girlfriend chatting after watching the 1st episode: She was complaining about it being a series because she didn't want to have to sit through every episode to learn whether or not they find her in the end

[stripeyfox]

watched the first three episodes. Doesn't seem to have anything new to say. It just seems to be stretching out the fact that "she vanished" over several hours of nothing TV

 

For what it is worth, I don't believe that the McCann's are guilty of anything other than poor judgement in leaving the kids alone.

 

Some of the crackpot theories and vicious bile spouted online is plain wicked

 

[Manini]

I mean I’ve watched the documentary almost in its entirety, and if anybody doesn’t think it was those charity collectors then you’re mad. 

 

The one where the mother is upstairs and comes down to find the bloke in her house, next to her child gave me serious chills, even does typing it now. I can’t believe that whole thing hasn’t been investigated more, especially after they found out there was never an orphanage in the area. 

 

I think after our media and police riled them up calling them, basically, incompetent, the PJ in Portugal just said **** it, downed tools and said find her yourself. 

Edited 21 March 2019 by Manini

[Wymsey]

What concerns me the most was that there were traces of blood in the bedroom and their holiday hire car..

Like the Ben Needham case, think it'll be some years before anything develops on this - be it even a small one like the former investigation.

 

Apparently there's hundreds of disused wells scattered around and not too far awasy from the Pria De Luz area.

If they haven't already, investigators should take a took at any of them for smy potemtial clues.

Edited 21 March 2019 by Wymeswold fox

[Manini]

1 minute ago, Wymeswold fox said:

What concerns me the most was that there were traces of blood in the bedroom and their holiday hire car..

Like the Ben Needham case, think it'll be some years before anything develops on this - be it even a small one like the former investigation.

 

Apparently there's hundreds of disused wells scattered around and not too far awasy from the Pria De Luz area.

If they haven't already, investigators should take a took at any of them for smy potemtial clues.

Apparently the blood wasn’t hers though was it? Or that’s what the lab reports said.

 

depending on who you speak to though, apparently Gerry had them paid off by his Freemason pals.

 

I must admit that rich Scottish benefactor who just poked his oar in funding their search is odd. Very odd. 

[Facecloth]

I was watching it, but then I decided to leave it and go for some tapas with my mates. Couldn't find it when I got back.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

2 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

I was watching it, but then I decided to leave it and go for some tapas with my mates. Couldn't find it when I got back.

[whoareyaaa]

It's a tough one to call parts of me think she was abducted especially with that wonderland and previous reports of children being abducted close by the other part of me thinks they have covered it up due to a accident on there part and with them being doctors and with high profile jobs it made them act accordingly.

 

Does your head in 

[ScouseFox]

1 hour ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Very slow though, two episodes in and I've fallen asleep both times  

yeah i watched the first one and a bit of ep 2 and couldn't have been any more bored. learnt a lot about the history of the Algarve in the 20th century though. fascinating. 

 

might just skip to ep 3 if that's where they actually start talking about how she fu cking vanished. 

[joachim1965]

She is dead, mccanns guilty as sin.

Blood in the apartment, dna in the hire car, cadaver dogs alerting to cadaver smell in the apartment.

Mr and mrs council estate would be in prison now. Not having the prime ministers press officer running the show. Massive cover up.

[filbertway]

The egg with hair did it!

[stripeyfox]

It doesn't make sense. If you "accidentally" killed your child or discovered them "accidentally" dead, bearing in mind the timescales would indicate that death had occurred recently, probably recently enough for a person who was not only a parent, but also a doctor, to attempt to resuscitate? Being from medical background would give them a huge advantage in attempting to save the life of their daughter and would increase the attempt to "preserve life" even more than parental bond alone.

 

I doubt your average person/parent would think "shit, we accidentally/not accidentally killed our daughter, lets dispose of the evidence and pretend she was kidnapped?". You would have to assume at that point that even putting to one side the shock, grief etc that the chances of successfully pulling off the disposal of dead child are next to zero.

 

We are not talking about master criminals here, but "normal" professional parents who, based on the hypothesis that they "discovered" their daughter dead, their immediate reaction was to make the body "disappear" with only a few minutes to play with, in surroundings they were unfamiliar with to such an extent that it still hasn't been found? And then carry on the charade in the full glare of the world media that she was taken by someone else?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 21 March 2019 by stripeyfox

[Benguin]

I believe one of the two theories:

 

she he was sold for order, snatched by a spotter and transported off to her buyer for whatever reason. Charity collectors sound like spotters.

 

or she died accidentally in the apartment and it was covered up.

 

Not sure which one as there is evidence for both but they are equally horrifying so I hope that it’s proven to be none of them.

 

 

[whoareyaaa]

52 minutes ago, stripeyfox said:

It doesn't make sense. If you "accidentally" killed your child or discovered them "accidentally" dead, bearing in mind the timescales would indicate that death had occurred recently, probably recently enough for a person who was not only a parent, but also a doctor, to attempt to resuscitate? Being from medical background would give them a huge advantage in attempting to save the life of their daughter and would increase the attempt to "preserve life" even more than parental bond alone.

 

I doubt your average person/parent would think "shit, we accidentally/not accidentally killed our daughter, lets dispose of the evidence and pretend she was kidnapped?". You would have to assume at that point that even putting to one side the shock, grief etc that the chances of successfully pulling off the disposal of dead child are next to zero.

 

We are not talking about master criminals here, but "normal" professional parents who, based on the hypothesis that they "discovered" their daughter dead, their immediate reaction was to make the body "disappear" in surroundings they were unfamiliar with to such an extent that it still hasn't been found? And then carry on the charade in the full glare of the world media that she was taken by someone else?

 

 

 

 

 

 

You do raise some good points however something still could have happened that made them feel they had to cover it up drugs being one of the main reasons the fact they was in another country as well would be a bit of a concern .. I don't know though I'm swaying more towards the kidnapping but you just never know.

[Churchill]

Must admit the first two episodes bored me to tears but after that things got a bit more interesting, if anything I think it tried to get rid of any crazy theory anyone might have with facts about the DNA etc. But what I found weird and still do is that millionaire just out of the blue volunteers to start throwing money around, maybe an honest geezer trying to help.

[joachim1965]

1 hour ago, Benguin said:

I believe one of the two theories:

 

she he was sold for order, snatched by a spotter and transported off to her buyer for whatever reason. Charity collectors sound like spotters.

 

or she died accidentally in the apartment and it was covered up.

 

Not sure which one as there is evidence for both but they are equally horrifying so I hope that it’s proven to be none of them.

 

 

I believe she accidentally died due to being sedated, the shocking thing is how its been covered up at a very high level.

[stripeyfox]

41 minutes ago, joachim1965 said:

I believe she accidentally died due to being sedated, the shocking thing is how its been covered up at a very high level.

If the theory is true that she was sedated and "accidentally" died then how did they manage to conceal the body given the timelines (which don't appear to be greatly disputed by most parties)? 

 

They go for dinner, and periodically check the room. At some point, between discovering lifeless child, one or both parents manages to spirit away the body, before returning to the group to raise the alarm. Within a short period of time after the alarm is raised, there are hundreds of people searching the immediate surroundings but no one finds anything.

 

It is fanciful at best, and despite the lack of any credible evidence, the fact that they are subjected to ferocious abuse by idiots on facebook and twitter etc is terrible really.

 

By all means, they can be criticised for their decision exclude the kids from their "dinner" arrangements (have always found in my experience that Mediterranean countries are very welcoming to kids). But I really don't see how what is at best, an error of judgement or at worst, neglect translates into the murder/manslaughter and concealment that some people allege.

 

[CollinsLCFC]

I dont understand how people can genuinely think that her Parents covered her up. It's an interesting theory that adds mystery, but that's all it is IMO.

 

They would need to plan suitable locations to dispose, CCTV locations, travel etc all in a very short space of time in a foreign location. If indeed they are guilty, why would they need to raise so much money and continuously search after all these years? By carrying on searching and seeking goverment funding, they are allowing themselves to remain in the spotlight, which by now, they could regretfully come to terms with the fact she is gone.

 

Whilst I do agree that the McCann's are guillty of neglect by leaving their Children on their own whilst they socialise, I think they have been punished enough by having to go bed and wake up each day knowing full well that if they were more responsible, Maddie would not have gone missing. Wandering for their remaining days or until she is found, what has happened and how they could have prevented it.

 

I also feel awful for the two twins (not sure how old they are now). But I imagine they have to go to School with all the pupils knowing about the documentary that is being aired.

[joachim1965]

2 hours ago, stripeyfox said:

If the theory is true that she was sedated and "accidentally" died then how did they manage to conceal the body given the timelines (which don't appear to be greatly disputed by most parties)? 

 

They go for dinner, and periodically check the room. At some point, between discovering lifeless child, one or both parents manages to spirit away the body, before returning to the group to raise the alarm. Within a short period of time after the alarm is raised, there are hundreds of people searching the immediate surroundings but no one finds anything.

 

It is fanciful at best, and despite the lack of any credible evidence, the fact that they are subjected to ferocious abuse by idiots on facebook and twitter etc is terrible really.

 

By all means, they can be criticised for their decision exclude the kids from their "dinner" arrangements (have always found in my experience that Mediterranean countries are very welcoming to kids). But I really don't see how what is at best, an error of judgement or at worst, neglect translates into the murder/manslaughter and concealment that some people allege.

 

Their story is full of holes, they made statements and then changed them.

Both the mccanns relatives went on tv and stated that the window shutters had been forced open and the window forced. This was untrue. They also stated that when they checked the kids they entered the apartment through the front door which was then locked when they left, that was then changed to entering through the patio doors at the rear which they then said they left unlocked. The timeline given by the friends from the tapas restaurant is dodgy as well.

People will make up their own mind as to how guilty they are but they are shifty as hell that's for sure.

[Benguin]

3 hours ago, stripeyfox said:

If the theory is true that she was sedated and "accidentally" died then how did they manage to conceal the body given the timelines (which don't appear to be greatly disputed by most parties)? 

 

They go for dinner, and periodically check the room. At some point, between discovering lifeless child, one or both parents manages to spirit away the body, before returning to the group to raise the alarm. Within a short period of time after the alarm is raised, there are hundreds of people searching the immediate surroundings but no one finds anything.

 

It is fanciful at best, and despite the lack of any credible evidence, the fact that they are subjected to ferocious abuse by idiots on facebook and twitter etc is terrible really.

 

By all means, they can be criticised for their decision exclude the kids from their "dinner" arrangements (have always found in my experience that Mediterranean countries are very welcoming to kids). But I really don't see how what is at best, an error of judgement or at worst, neglect translates into the murder/manslaughter and concealment that some people allege.

 

Whilst I’m not convinced by this theory, you’re wrong to say that the timeline is considered factual. Their timeline is full of discrepancies. If it was an accidental death, I think it happened hours before they were at the tapas restaurant. 

[Devonfox1884]

That Murat fella seems super suspicious to me. I don’t know how, but I’m convinced he’s involved somehow.

[whoareyaaa]

7 minutes ago, Devonfox1884 said:

That Murat fella seems super suspicious to me. I don’t know how, but I’m convinced he’s involved somehow.

Yea he seemed pretty suspect to me as well while watching the documentary.

 

proper head **** this case

[joachim1965]

I have never seen Kate shed a tear.

Have a look at Denise Bulger giving her public appeal when little James went missing and then watch Kate McCann,  no emotion. 

[Suzie the Fox]

17 minutes ago, joachim1965 said:

I have never seen Kate shed a tear.

Have a look at Denise Bulger giving her public appeal when little James went missing and then watch Kate McCann,  no emotion. 

TBF i cried when the James Bulger details came out, as a mother i found it horrifying. I guess with the McCann's there is still hope. 

Edited 21 March 2019 by Suzie the Fox