davieG Posted 30 May 2007 Posted 30 May 2007 No point penny pinching shoplifting go for something big, if you get away with it if not Shoplifters to get fine 'let-off' Shoplifters facing on-the-spot fines could have the penalties written off if they promise to behave. Fines of £80 or £50 will be deferred if the offender agrees to be bound by an Acceptable Behaviour Contract (ABC). The British Retail Consortium (BRC) has criticised the scheme for treating criminals "like naughty schoolboys". Shadow Home Secretary David Davis said it watered down criminal justice but the Home Office said it was a different tool to help police tackle the problem. The penalty will be cancelled if the person behaves during the ABC which can last as little as three months. Police were handed powers to give a Penalty Notices for Disorder (PND) in 2004 for offences such as stealing goods worth less than £200, being drunk and disorderly and wasting police time. Mr Davis said: "It is bad enough such serious crimes are effectively being punished with a glorified parking ticket. Now we learn the government won't even bother to collect the fine." 'Shoplifting rise' The BRC said the move undermined the system of dealing with shoplifters even more. BRC director general Kevin Hawkins said: "Shoplifting is a crime, pure and simple, and it should be treated as one." The BRC recently said the introduction of fixed penalties had led to a big increase in shoplifting. A Home Office spokesman said: "Deferred PNDs sit alongside Acceptable Behaviour Contracts. They are both tools for police and local authorities to use to promote a change in an individual's behaviour. "Breaching the terms of an ABC can have serious consequences. The next step may be the issuing of an ASBO for example." The Home Office issued new guidance on the use of PNDs and ABCs following a 12-week consultation.
THEBIGJOHNSTEADER; Posted 30 May 2007 Posted 30 May 2007 No point penny pinching shoplifting go for something big, if you get away with it if not Shoplifters to get fine 'let-off' Shoplifters facing on-the-spot fines could have the penalties written off if they promise to behave. Fines of £80 or £50 will be deferred if the offender agrees to be bound by an Acceptable Behaviour Contract (ABC). The British Retail Consortium (BRC) has criticised the scheme for treating criminals "like naughty schoolboys". Shadow Home Secretary David Davis said it watered down criminal justice but the Home Office said it was a different tool to help police tackle the problem. The penalty will be cancelled if the person behaves during the ABC which can last as little as three months. Police were handed powers to give a Penalty Notices for Disorder (PND) in 2004 for offences such as stealing goods worth less than £200, being drunk and disorderly and wasting police time. Mr Davis said: "It is bad enough such serious crimes are effectively being punished with a glorified parking ticket. Now we learn the government won't even bother to collect the fine." 'Shoplifting rise' The BRC said the move undermined the system of dealing with shoplifters even more. BRC director general Kevin Hawkins said: "Shoplifting is a crime, pure and simple, and it should be treated as one." The BRC recently said the introduction of fixed penalties had led to a big increase in shoplifting. A Home Office spokesman said: "Deferred PNDs sit alongside Acceptable Behaviour Contracts. They are both tools for police and local authorities to use to promote a change in an individual's behaviour. "Breaching the terms of an ABC can have serious consequences. The next step may be the issuing of an ASBO for example." The Home Office issued new guidance on the use of PNDs and ABCs following a 12-week consultation. The government are just a joke, end of!!
Dr The Singh Posted 30 May 2007 Posted 30 May 2007 No point penny pinching shoplifting go for something big, if you get away with it if not Shoplifters to get fine 'let-off' Shoplifters facing on-the-spot fines could have the penalties written off if they promise to behave. Fines of £80 or £50 will be deferred if the offender agrees to be bound by an Acceptable Behaviour Contract (ABC). The British Retail Consortium (BRC) has criticised the scheme for treating criminals "like naughty schoolboys". Shadow Home Secretary David Davis said it watered down criminal justice but the Home Office said it was a different tool to help police tackle the problem. The penalty will be cancelled if the person behaves during the ABC which can last as little as three months. Police were handed powers to give a Penalty Notices for Disorder (PND) in 2004 for offences such as stealing goods worth less than £200, being drunk and disorderly and wasting police time. Mr Davis said: "It is bad enough such serious crimes are effectively being punished with a glorified parking ticket. Now we learn the government won't even bother to collect the fine." 'Shoplifting rise' The BRC said the move undermined the system of dealing with shoplifters even more. BRC director general Kevin Hawkins said: "Shoplifting is a crime, pure and simple, and it should be treated as one." The BRC recently said the introduction of fixed penalties had led to a big increase in shoplifting. A Home Office spokesman said: "Deferred PNDs sit alongside Acceptable Behaviour Contracts. They are both tools for police and local authorities to use to promote a change in an individual's behaviour. "Breaching the terms of an ABC can have serious consequences. The next step may be the issuing of an ASBO for example." The Home Office issued new guidance on the use of PNDs and ABCs following a 12-week consultation. This just gives out the wrong signals!!! We need more deterants not less!!!
Bryn Posted 30 May 2007 Posted 30 May 2007 You have to wonder who sits and comes up with this stuff... I can't think of any reason why someone would by nature choose to give more and more protection to criminals. I mean, can you imagine yourself sat in a government office thinking "My God those fines are steep, those poor shoplifters need some protection"? I can't. It's beyond belief.
THEBIGJOHNSTEADER; Posted 30 May 2007 Posted 30 May 2007 You have to wonder who sits and comes up with this stuff... I can't think of any reason why someone would by nature choose to give more and more protection to criminals. I mean, can you imagine yourself sat in a government office thinking "My God those fines are steep, those poor shoplifters need some protection"? I can't. It's beyond belief. They are basically giving everyone 1 free shoplift then! Thanks!!
davieG Posted 30 May 2007 Author Posted 30 May 2007 I'm nicking this thread. Stop in the name of the Foxestalk Laws, you are nicked sonny boy!!. Book him Dano and slap him with a £1000 fine. Here's the deal sonny boy if you're a goody two shoes for 3 months and you promise not to purloin anymore threads well send you and all your poor hard done to relatives on a nice holiday to the Caribbean. Is that a deal? Now where's the big mobster thead stealer Fez?
Phube Posted 30 May 2007 Posted 30 May 2007 They are basically giving everyone 1 free shoplift then! Thanks!! Not just that... 3 a year!! I can steal 2 Wii games every 3 months... for nothing!!! Tell me again, why do I work for a living when thieving seems to be the preferable option!!???
hairy Posted 30 May 2007 Posted 30 May 2007 Not just that... 3 a year!! I can steal 2 Wii games every 3 months... for nothing!!! You can steal them from the comfort of your own home on a daily basis if you chip your wii As I understand it that is ossifer.
lookwhaticando Posted 30 May 2007 Posted 30 May 2007 You've got the wrong man. Chris Jackon's the dodgy cockney geezer.
Alexikokopops Posted 30 May 2007 Posted 30 May 2007 Would that mean they get to keep the stuff they stole Yes, you've got it. If you go and steal a TV worth just under £200 they slap you with a £80 fine but let you keep the TV.
Daggers Posted 30 May 2007 Posted 30 May 2007 I'm sure every right thinking person in the world would agree that shoplifters should be executed. If they were to see one of their friends walking around without his head then I am sure it would cause them to think twice before lifting 20 B&H and a pink top from Primark. In my day, tea-leaves were frequently dried out and re-used four or maybe even five times. That bloody showed them.
lookwhaticando Posted 30 May 2007 Posted 30 May 2007 I'm sure every right thinking person in the world would agree that shoplifters should be executed. If they were to see one of their friends walking around without his head then I am sure it would cause them to think twice before lifting 20 B&H and a pink top from Primark.In my day, tea-leaves were frequently dried out and re-used four or maybe even five times. That bloody showed them. I was unfortunate enough to be in a store while a shoplifting event was taking place. The bastards used the fact that the one single shopkeep was busy with a couple of customers to lift two pairs of sunglasses (priced around $100 each). That makes me angry. I was unwittingly giving a bunch of wankers a chance to nick some gear. The shopkeep told me she knew who'd done it - she saw them come in (all 3 of them) and she's certain they were the ones that lifted the sunglasses. Hopefully someone will find them, hang them and quarter them. I'm a willing volunteer if none of the locals fancy meting out such justice.
Alexikokopops Posted 30 May 2007 Posted 30 May 2007 I'm sure every right thinking person in the world would agree that shoplifters should be executed. If they were to see one of their friends walking around without his head then I am sure it would cause them to think twice before lifting 20 B&H and a pink top from Primark.In my day, tea-leaves were frequently dried out and re-used four or maybe even five times. That bloody showed them. I'd have no head I was a rebellious young 15 year old.
Daggers Posted 30 May 2007 Posted 30 May 2007 I'd have no head I was a rebellious young 15 year old. Try asking some young ladies if they will give you one
Alexikokopops Posted 30 May 2007 Posted 30 May 2007 Try asking some young ladies if they will give you one Will do.
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