HankMarvin Posted 30 August 2007 Posted 30 August 2007 Mandaric: Lost faith in Allen Allen wasn't the man for job - Milan Leicester chairman Milan Mandaric claims he had to sack Martin Allen as he doubted he could lead the Foxes "to the top of the mountain". Days of speculation culminated on Wednesday with Allen parting company with the club he managed for just four games following his appointment. The club admitted there had been a "breakdown in the relationship" between Allen and Mandaric, believed to have stemmed from differences of opinion over the signing of veteran striker Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink. "That was my decision to do it, but I do what is the best for the club," Mandaric said of the Allen's departure. "It's not the games, it's not the results, it's looking at where I am going to be at the end of the season, not where I'm going to be after three games. "When you want to go climb on the mountain, it doesn't mean you are always going to go with everyone that started the climb. "There were certain differences about how to get to the top of the mountain." Allen's sacking came less than 24 hours after on-loan defender Clive Clarke suffered a cardiac arrest during a Carling Cup clash with Nottingham Forest. But with Clarke seemingly now stable in hospital, Mandaric claims he can start looking for Allen's replacement. "It was a hard last 24 hours for me relating to Clive and I'm so relieved he is better," Mandaric added on Sky Sports News. "Now I will make this decision because time is of the essence and we are going to start (looking) for a replacement very soon."
Dellyjo Posted 30 August 2007 Posted 30 August 2007 Well Mr Mandric, you appointed him & so must have thought he was the man for the job just a couple of months ago.
Ajax Treesdown Posted 30 August 2007 Posted 30 August 2007 I am so over Martin Allen already.......... I wish people would stop moaning at MM, he is the owner of the business!?!?!
THEBIGJOHNSTEADER; Posted 30 August 2007 Posted 30 August 2007 I am so over Martin Allen already.......... I wish people would stop moaning at MM, he is the owner of the business!?!?! When I went to university I got on well with one of my flatmates initially and I thought we'd be good mates, then suddenly we realised we hated each other. A case of chalk and smeg. I was the chalk because he definately smelt of something smeggish
Rincewind Posted 30 August 2007 Posted 30 August 2007 Allen did the job Milan wanted of him. Get a reasonable squad together. Install a good dressing room atmosphere. Improve the fitness levels. Get rid of the dross. Now he wants a manager that can take the team to the Premiership PDQ and at the same time each week actually look as if they are a team capable of acheiving this thus getting more than 30 seconds airplay on the Championship Sunday mornings on ITV.
Zingari Posted 30 August 2007 Posted 30 August 2007 old man falls for charms of an exciting young thing ; flashes his money, buys lots of prezzies, indulges in whimsical behaviour ; convinces himself he loves the free spirited spunkiness of young thing whirlwind romance and marriage and it all comes crashing down in weeks when old man realises theres no fool like an old fool
DanTheFoxBhoy Posted 30 August 2007 Posted 30 August 2007 When I went to university I got on well with one of my flatmates initially and I thought we'd be good mates, then suddenly we realised we hated each other. A case of chalk and smeg. I was the chalk because he definately smelt of something smeggish Funny how people become more annoying when you realise they stink.
Thracian Posted 30 August 2007 Posted 30 August 2007 Fit of pique pure and simple. MA (rightly) wouldn't let MM have his own way over JFH and his ego was offended beyond repair. What possible evidence exists as to where MA would have taken us by the end of the season?. His manager needed backing not sacking.
The People's Hero Posted 30 August 2007 Posted 30 August 2007 Fit of pique pure and simple. MA (rightly) wouldn't let MM have his own way over JFH and his ego was offended beyond repair.What possible evidence exists as to where MA would have taken us by the end of the season?. His manager needed backing not sacking. Why are you applying logic and reason when: a) You don't usually. b) It's up to MM. Don't try to work him out. He was the boss, MA was his employee. He didn't think he was up to it. End of. MM doesn't need to justify that to you, to me or to anyone.
Flynny Posted 30 August 2007 Posted 30 August 2007 He didn't think he was up to it. Do you really think that: 1. That was the reason? 2. That if it was, he was right?
Thracian Posted 30 August 2007 Posted 30 August 2007 Why are you applying logic and reason when:a) You don't usually. b) It's up to MM. Don't try to work him out. He was the boss, MA was his employee. He didn't think he was up to it. End of. MM doesn't need to justify that to you, to me or to anyone. I don't think it will be the end of it at all. I think the repercussions will run and run.
The People's Hero Posted 30 August 2007 Posted 30 August 2007 Do you really think that:1. That was the reason? 2. That if it was, he was right? Well, this is purely a point of interest because quite simply, in reality, it doesn't matter. Whatever MM was thinking when he sacked him, that was his prerogative and as the owner of the business and extremely financially 'interested' in the success of the football club, we can assume that he would not knowingly damage the club's chances of success. Now... to my personal thinking on your questions. 1. I believe they fell out and quite simply the relationship broke down. Once this had happened, MM had probably lost some trust and respect in and for MA and therefore did not believe him the man to carry out MM's orders of 'TO THE PREMIERSHIP AND FAST' and wanted someone perhaps who would be prepared to sign and work with more high profile players. I don't think MM is after a yes man as such, I think that he is after someone who will communicate with him constantly, keep him in the loop, make him feel important and appreciated and not simply reject his dealings out of hand. Once the relationship broke down, I believe the trust went and that 'bond' which MM feels is necessary was destroyed. 2. I believe MA to be a motivator of men - that is his great skill. Even on TV/radio whatever, you can sense a certain charisma. He's something of a leader of men. Where he might well be lacking is the perhaps cliched and overused 'criteria' of a certain tactical nous. His teams (to me) often looked unbalanced on paper. You can't argue with his history though - he's always good decent results with Brentford and MK Dons. And don't get me wrong - I liked his no-bullshit, media-friendly style but we simply can't make the mistake of missing the man. And style over substance gets you nowhere. They fell out. One of them had to go I imagine and it's hardly going to be the guy who owns the club!
BigGibbo Posted 30 August 2007 Posted 30 August 2007 Fit of pique pure and simple. MA (rightly) wouldn't let MM have his own way over JFH and his ego was offended beyond repair.What possible evidence exists as to where MA would have taken us by the end of the season?. His manager needed backing not sacking. maybo his advisor made a typo
Chimp Posted 30 August 2007 Posted 30 August 2007 Fit of pique pure and simple. MA (rightly) wouldn't let MM have his own way over JFH and his ego was offended beyond repair.What possible evidence exists as to where MA would have taken us by the end of the season?. His manager needed backing not sacking. Again, you're making assumptions about the circumstances which lead to MA's departure.
Lineker's Left Foot Posted 30 August 2007 Posted 30 August 2007 I am so over Martin Allen already.......... I wish people would stop moaning at MM, he is the owner of the business!?!?! Exactly at least we know he has Leicester's best interests at heart.. he has to. Therefore, I back Milan 110%
l444ry Posted 30 August 2007 Posted 30 August 2007 We'll never know the "real" reasons for Martin Allen's removal as long as Mandaric keeps muddying the waters by using double-speak to justify his decision. All his utterances about mountains, trust, ...right for the club etc. etc. seem to be having the desired effect of brainwashing some supporters. As far as I can see, Martin Allen was the perfect choice and everything was rosy in the garden until he started to question Mandaric's meddling in the transfer market. Half the signings, if not more, are clearly Mandaric's players and when our beloved leader tried to impose the likes of Fowler, Hasselbaink and doubtless several other duffers to this ever increasing list, Allen clearly drew the battle lines. Kaebi could well have been the straw that broke Allen's back. All of Milan's propaganda is geared to belittle Martin Allen and show himself in a good light.
Fox63 Posted 30 August 2007 Posted 30 August 2007 Whatever we think, as fans of Leicester City, we have never had any control over players, managers or chairmen. The bosses of any company ultamately dictate the direction in which the ship is steered. This is exactly what happened yesterday. Milan took over the wheel to prevent being scuppered on the rocks. Sure it is a personality thing, "a difference in philosophies" Milan stated on the radio. If your employees won't do as instucted then you are fired, or your life is made difficult until you depart company by mutual consent. To be honest I think Martin Allen was a bit 'seagulls and trawlers' but we will never know if he was the man for the job. Well done Milan. Unlucky Martin.
Chimp Posted 30 August 2007 Posted 30 August 2007 We'll never know the "real" reasons for Martin Allen's removal as long as Mandaric keeps muddying the waters by using double-speak to justify his decision. All his utterances about mountains, trust, ...right for the club etc. etc. seem to be having the desired effect of brainwashing some supporters.As far as I can see, Martin Allen was the perfect choice and everything was rosy in the garden until he started to question Mandaric's meddling in the transfer market. Half the signings, if not more, are clearly Mandaric's players and when our beloved leader tried to impose the likes of Fowler, Hasselbaink and doubtless several other duffers to this ever increasing list, Allen clearly drew the battle lines. Kaebi could well have been the straw that broke Allen's back. All of Milan's propaganda is geared to belittle Martin Allen and show himself in a good light. Again, another argument based on assumption.
Milky Posted 30 August 2007 Posted 30 August 2007 Again, another argument based on assumption. Nice work. High five Columbo!
Brainy Posted 30 August 2007 Posted 30 August 2007 Allen did the job Milan wanted of him. Get a reasonable squad together. Install a good dressing room atmosphere. Improve the fitness levels. Get rid of the dross. Now he wants a manager that can take the team to the Premiership PDQ and at the same time each week actually look as if they are a team capable of acheiving this thus getting more than 30 seconds airplay on the Championship Sunday mornings on ITV. Nice theory.
MPH Posted 30 August 2007 Posted 30 August 2007 I am so over Martin Allen already.......... I wish people would stop moaning at MM, he is the owner of the business!?!?! he may have millions but leicester city would be nothing without the fans- i pay my hard earned money to watch them play and we are entitled to our opinion.Allen did the job Milan wanted of him. Get a reasonable squad together.Install a good dressing room atmosphere.Improve the fitness levels.Get rid of the dross.Now he wants a manager that can take the team to the Premiership PDQ and at the same time each week actually look as if they are a team capable of acheiving this thus getting more than 30 seconds airplay on the Championship Sunday mornings on ITV.you forgot the flower beds...
l444ry Posted 30 August 2007 Posted 30 August 2007 Again, another argument based on assumption. Assumption.......are you on the same planet, Chimp? a) Did not Mandaric interview then hire Allen, stating that they had the same vision? b) Did not Mandaric sign players before Allen arrived? c) Did not Mandaric approach and agree terms with Hasselbaink before offering him to Allen? Rather than assume that everone who has a different view to you on Mandaric, has a view based on assumption, you would do well to study the events as they obviously unfolded.
smokey Posted 30 August 2007 Posted 30 August 2007 Allen did the job Milan wanted of him. Get a reasonable squad together. Install a good dressing room atmosphere. Improve the fitness levels. Get rid of the dross. Now he wants a manager that can take the team to the Premiership PDQ and at the same time each week actually look as if they are a team capable of acheiving this thus getting more than 30 seconds airplay on the Championship Sunday mornings on ITV. No he didnt!!! Didnt look fit against forest or blackpool Hasnt got rid of any of 6 transfer listed players (douglas gone on trial) and playing some of the others Good squad?? not impressed with most of his signings
dandannieldanok Posted 30 August 2007 Posted 30 August 2007 No he didnt!!!Didnt look fit against forest or blackpool Hasnt got rid of any of 6 transfer listed players (douglas gone on trial) and playing some of the others Good squad?? not impressed with most of his signings I agree, fundamental problems had not been sorted from last season and people seem to avoid criticising Allen because he was jovial and quirky throughout his tenure.
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