davieG Posted 24 October 2007 Posted 24 October 2007 Fulop - Hungarian International Kisnorbo - Australian International McAuley - NI International Hume - Canadian International Stearman - He has represented England at both under 17 and under 18 level. Sheehan - Irish Under 21 Wesolowski -Australian Youth and trained with the first team N'Gotty - Gained promotion with Birmingham also played for Lyon, AC Milan, PSG, Bolton, Marseille, Venezia Clemence -Gained promotion with Birmingham Chambers - 4 times promotion winner Fryatt - collected the goal of the season and the player of the season awards at the Bescott at the end of the 2004/05 Campbell - A potential £2.1million pounds Newton - Play-off final winner with West Ham I'm sure there are other example!!! Ok not the most glamourous of Nations or awards but surely better than a lot of sides in this division can muster, so what does it say - under performing players? Why - Is it the Manager, is it the club, or am I overstating the quality of our squad compared to others in this bloody awful League?
Wycombe Fox Posted 24 October 2007 Posted 24 October 2007 Wesolowski -Australian Youth and trained with the fist team Please could you edit this?
dandannieldanok Posted 24 October 2007 Posted 24 October 2007 We should be doing ever so slightly better but we needed a more experienced manager in preseason to bring in more quality on a lesser scale. Although we have a few better players than this time last season we still have twice as many duff players, at least under Kelly you could say we hadn't wasted money.
davieG Posted 24 October 2007 Author Posted 24 October 2007 Please could you edit this? We're not even making a good fist of it!!!
Fez of Mahrez Posted 24 October 2007 Posted 24 October 2007 Fulop - Hungarian InternationalKisnorbo - Australian International McAuley - NI International Hume - Canadian International Stearman - He has represented England at both under 17 and under 18 level. Sheehan - Irish Under 21 Wesolowski -Australian Youth and trained with the fist team N'Gotty - Gained promotion with Birmingham also played for Lyon, AC Milan, PSG, Bolton, Marseille, Venezia Clemence -Gained promotion with Birmingham Chambers - 4 times promotion winner Fryatt - collected the goal of the season and the player of the season awards at the Bescott at the end of the 2004/05 Campbell - A potential £2.1million pounds Newton - Play-off final winner with West Ham I'm sure there are other example!!! Ok not the most glamourous of Nations or awards but surely better than a lot of sides in this division can muster, so what does it say - under performing players? Why - Is it the Manager, is it the club, or am I overstating the quality of our squad compared to others in this bloody awful League? I've been fairly happy with Fulop, N'Gotty, Kisnorbo, McAuley, Clemence and Wesolowski this season. Haven't been impressed with anyone else in the slightest. That is essentially the backbone of the team but there is nothing else. Stearman and Sheehan aren't good enough to be top-half Championship wing-backs, there is no creative or attacking element in midfield, very little pace and presence up front and our one attacking tactic seems to be thumping the ball into the channels for Fryatt to run onto and giving him no support when he does get it. To be fair though I wouldn't support him if I played in midfield because he must have passed the ball about twice in his whole City career. Never seen a greedier player and he hasn't got the goal record to back it up. Stearman and Sheehan weren't deemed good enough last season when we were ****ing garbage, now suddenly we end up with them week in week out looking like fish out of water. The team that ended the game last night was a joke - Fulop, Stearman, Sheehan, Kisnorbo, McAuley, Porter, Newton, Wesolowski, Chambers, Fryatt, John. There are only three players there that weren't at the club last season!! Fulop you can't complain about, Chambers is being played out of position and John was thrown in completely unfit. We're trying to rely on the same shit we had last season. We haven't made the most of the money we've spent in the summer and Megson still isn't making the most of the squad we've got at the moment in my opinion. The whole situation at the moment is a mess but people cry out for stability. How can you have any sort of positive stability with this bunch of players? They're not good enough. Which means shipping a load out and getting new ones in. We've been doing that practically every summer for five years and it's got us nowhere. Whatever the answer is, it's not what happened last night.
davieG Posted 24 October 2007 Author Posted 24 October 2007 I've been fairly happy with Fulop, N'Gotty, Kisnorbo, McAuley, Clemence and Wesolowski this season. Haven't been impressed with anyone else in the slightest. That is essentially the backbone of the team but there is nothing else. Stearman and Sheehan aren't good enough to be top-half Championship wing-backs, there is no creative or attacking element in midfield, very little pace and presence up front and our one attacking tactic seems to be thumping the ball into the channels for Fryatt to run onto and giving him no support when he does get it. To be fair though I wouldn't support him if I played in midfield because he must have passed the ball about twice in his whole City career. Never seen a greedier player and he hasn't got the goal record to back it up.Stearman and Sheehan weren't deemed good enough last season when we were ****ing garbage, now suddenly we end up with them week in week out looking like fish out of water. The team that ended the game last night was a joke - Fulop, Stearman, Sheehan, Kisnorbo, McAuley, Porter, Newton, Wesolowski, Chambers, Fryatt, John. There are only three players there that weren't at the club last season!! Fulop you can't complain about, Chambers is being played out of position and John was thrown in completely unfit. We're trying to rely on the same shit we had last season. We haven't made the most of the money we've spent in the summer and Megson still isn't making the most of the squad we've got at the moment in my opinion. The whole situation at the moment is a mess but people cry out for stability. How can you have any sort of positive stability with this bunch of players? They're not good enough. Which means shipping a load out and getting new ones in. We've been doing that practically every summer for five years and it's got us nowhere. Whatever the answer is, it's not what happened last night. I can't argue with that and it puts a realistic perspective on the situation, I still think that there are more than 5 clubs that should be worse off than us in squad terms.
Ultra Posted 24 October 2007 Posted 24 October 2007 Fulop - Hungarian InternationalKisnorbo - Australian International McAuley - NI International Hume - Canadian International Stearman - He has represented England at both under 17 and under 18 level. Sheehan - Irish Under 21 Wesolowski -Australian Youth and trained with the first team N'Gotty - Gained promotion with Birmingham also played for Lyon, AC Milan, PSG, Bolton, Marseille, Venezia Clemence -Gained promotion with Birmingham Chambers - 4 times promotion winner Fryatt - collected the goal of the season and the player of the season awards at the Bescott at the end of the 2004/05 Campbell - A potential £2.1million pounds Newton - Play-off final winner with West Ham I'm sure there are other example!!! Ok not the most glamourous of Nations or awards but surely better than a lot of sides in this division can muster, so what does it say - under performing players? Why - Is it the Manager, is it the club, or am I overstating the quality of our squad compared to others in this bloody awful League? The quality is there. We saw it at the Watford game under the previous manager. No other club in this league has come anywhere near matching the performance we gave that happy day, at least not against a team which already have the air of champions-elect about them. Even under the present regime, we managed to snatch a victory at Villa. OK, so beating Premier League opposition isn't going to be repeated for a while (certainly not next week), but it showed the potential within the current bunch of players. That potential, though, has yet to show itself at league level. Dire tactics, bizarre selections and a lack of leadership on the pitch have all undermined player confidence. Until someone arrives at the club to bring the confidence back among both players and fans, we will continue to struggle badly.
Fez of Mahrez Posted 24 October 2007 Posted 24 October 2007 I can't argue with that and it puts a realistic perspective on the situation, I still think that there are more than 5 clubs that should be worse off than us in squad terms. I agree. You look at teams like Colchester and S****horpe, they haven't got 40 players to bring in and out, it's that consistency in team selection we could do with really. It's difficult with a big squad though because as soon as someone has a shocker, the fans are clamouring for the inclusion of someone who they've forgotten was garbage six games ago. Repeat to fade.
Ric Flair Posted 24 October 2007 Posted 24 October 2007 There's not enough creativity in the team to win games on a regular basis or even score goals for that matter. It's dire, it really is.
Dames Posted 24 October 2007 Posted 24 October 2007 There's not enough creativity in the team to win games on a regular basis or even score goals for that matter.It's dire, it really is. But at least the defence is tight and were 'hard to beat'
Ric Flair Posted 24 October 2007 Posted 24 October 2007 I agree. You look at teams like Colchester and S****horpe, they haven't got 40 players to bring in and out, it's that consistency in team selection we could do with really. It's difficult with a big squad though because as soon as someone has a shocker, the fans are clamouring for the inclusion of someone who they've forgotten was garbage six games ago. Repeat to fade. They also have players who can create chances though and finish them. These players don't have to be technically that gifted, just have the confidence and determination to attack and look for openings. Our movement off the ball is grotesque, the players are clueless. They don't know what to do, devoid of any ideas. The amount of times that Sheehan, Stearman, Chambers or Newton got the ball and passed it in to trouble last night was horrifying.
Manwell Pablo Posted 24 October 2007 Posted 24 October 2007 They also have players who can create chances though and finish them. These players don't have to be technically that gifted, just have the confidence and determination to attack and look for openings. Our movement off the ball is grotesque, the players are clueless. They don't know what to do, devoid of any ideas.The amount of times that Sheehan, Stearman, Chambers or Newton got the ball and passed it in to trouble last night was horrifying. Yes, and McAuley was just as bad and I'm I really do think if Patrick Kisnorbo was phenomenal in the air he wouldn't be a professional footballer, I swear his distribution is getting worse.
Dames Posted 24 October 2007 Posted 24 October 2007 Yes, and McAuley was just as bad and I'm I really do think if Patrick Kisnorbo was phenomenal in the air he wouldn't be a professional footballer, I swear his distribution is getting worse. Thats probably why he was so crap in midfield.
Bluefoxtim Posted 24 October 2007 Posted 24 October 2007 All well and good saying that...but I bet every team in this division could create a list like that
Ric Flair Posted 24 October 2007 Posted 24 October 2007 Yes, and McAuley was just as bad and I'm I really do think if Patrick Kisnorbo was phenomenal in the air he wouldn't be a professional footballer, I swear his distribution is getting worse. Oh my life, I had forgotten just how bad both of their distribution was last night. But what annoys me is, that it's our centre halves that get the majority of the ball and the time and space to pass it about. Where as our central midfielders like Clemence and Wesolowski who are both quality passers, don't get that luxury because of the style and system we play. Kisnorbo, N'Gotty and McAuley shouldn't have that time and space, we need to get a system where it's our central midfielders and wide players that get that. Unless you have central defenders like Kolo Toure or Rio Ferdinand who can pass and take all game long, then it's a fookin waste of time. All well and good saying that...but I bet every team in this division could create a list like that So are you saying that we are punching above our weight then?
Ultra Posted 24 October 2007 Posted 24 October 2007 Stearman and Sheehan weren't deemed good enough last season when we were ****ing garbage, now suddenly we end up with them week in week out looking like fish out of water. Sheehan's face didn't fit under Rob Kelly and he was never going to replace Johannsson. It took the arrival of Martin Allen to get his career back on track. But even since Allen left, Sheehan has been the most creative force in the side. That may well be a searing indictment of the midfield (as well as the manager who picks it), but it's still a fact. Even the defensive side of his game has improved of late. As for Stearman, the former boy wonder, his quality is declining with each poor performance. His development has clearly been set back through having to play under SIX different managers in less than three years. He's still at an age where he can rediscover his game and confidence, but he may need a long spell in the reserves in order to do so. At the moment his continued selection for the first team does neither himself nor the club any favours.
Fez of Mahrez Posted 24 October 2007 Posted 24 October 2007 Sheehan's face didn't fit under Rob Kelly and he was never going to replace Johannsson. It took the arrival of Martin Allen to get his career back on track.But even since Allen left, Sheehan has been the most creative force in the side. That may well be a searing indictment of the midfield (as well as the manager who picks it), but it's still a fact. Even the defensive side of his game has improved of late. As for Stearman, the former boy wonder, his quality is declining with each poor performance. His development has clearly been set back through having to play under SIX different managers in less than three years. He's still at an age where he can rediscover his game and confidence, but he may need a long spell in the reserves in order to do so. At the moment his continued selection for the first team does neither himself nor the club any favours. If only Sheehan was as defensive as you and Thracian are about him. We should have signed some quality at left-back to replace Johansson. Everyone could see that in the summer. Although it might seem pointless regurgitating it, if people are going to ask what's wrong with the squad, that's part of it.
dandannieldanok Posted 24 October 2007 Posted 24 October 2007 Why didn't we go in for Tony Capaldi . ...........or Stephen Crainey.
Manwell Pablo Posted 24 October 2007 Posted 24 October 2007 ...........or Stephen Crainey. Even Sheehans better than Crainey.
Thracian Posted 24 October 2007 Posted 24 October 2007 I've been fairly happy with Fulop, N'Gotty, Kisnorbo, McAuley, Clemence and Wesolowski this season. Haven't been impressed with anyone else in the slightest. That is essentially the backbone of the team but there is nothing else. Stearman and Sheehan aren't good enough to be top-half Championship wing-backs, there is no creative or attacking element in midfield, very little pace and presence up front and our one attacking tactic seems to be thumping the ball into the channels for Fryatt to run onto and giving him no support when he does get it. To be fair though I wouldn't support him if I played in midfield because he must have passed the ball about twice in his whole City career. Never seen a greedier player and he hasn't got the goal record to back it up.Stearman and Sheehan weren't deemed good enough last season when we were ****ing garbage, now suddenly we end up with them week in week out looking like fish out of water. The team that ended the game last night was a joke - Fulop, Stearman, Sheehan, Kisnorbo, McAuley, Porter, Newton, Wesolowski, Chambers, Fryatt, John. There are only three players there that weren't at the club last season!! Fulop you can't complain about, Chambers is being played out of position and John was thrown in completely unfit. We're trying to rely on the same shit we had last season. We haven't made the most of the money we've spent in the summer and Megson still isn't making the most of the squad we've got at the moment in my opinion. The whole situation at the moment is a mess but people cry out for stability. How can you have any sort of positive stability with this bunch of players? They're not good enough. Which means shipping a load out and getting new ones in. We've been doing that practically every summer for five years and it's got us nowhere. Whatever the answer is, it's not what happened last night. I'm sorry but if you believe three slow central defenders, two of whom are doubtful passers are the ideal backbone for a successful then the only way you'll get it is a la Megson. I've called for positive, passing players throughout the side and much more speed but we simply don't seem to be moving in that direction at all. We lost last night because when Sheehan blocked their first shot, Newton wasn't on hand to pick up the loose man who got the rebound and none of our centre-backs reacted fast enough to mark Danny Webber on the near post when that man delivered. We lost because we had only one avenue to their penalty box - from the left via Sheehan - and no penetration at all from central midfield or from the right. We also lost because our strikers weren't anywhere near good enough. They were too static, none of our supporting players got into the box with them, there was no speed, no strength and we hardly won a ball in the air all night. How can any team win with one shot? I don't see new players will make a difference until we have a manager who can inspire them and who believes in the sort of football which will win matches instead of try to beg them. And then he wants to choose them carefully because while you complain about last year's players, many of them are far better than the summer signings and, indeed, better than they themselves are looking right now. After all it is not so long ago this shit you're talking about was beating Villa away, beating the Championship League leaders 4-1 and creating well over 20 chances against Blackpool. .
Trav Le Bleu Posted 24 October 2007 Posted 24 October 2007 We have a team good enough NOT to be worrying about relegation, that much is certain. What we lack is a settled set-up. How can players settle at a club when they change manager every other month? Right now I'd take anyone who wants to play with the same 11-16 players each week in a formation that the players are comfortable with. I mean, just how many of those numerous players we have signed have not yet actually played a full 1st team game? Must be close to double figures
Sods Posted 24 October 2007 Posted 24 October 2007 We are missing one key player, someone like Izzet. Like micky adams said, without him we was a average side. With him we was a good side. One player can make so much of a difference.
djwalker Posted 24 October 2007 Posted 24 October 2007 I´m truly sad - a season ticket holder who hasn´t been able to get to a game this season because of.....injury, but I´d love to see the team. Yes, it´s a poor league, if Watford are 9 points clear. We are now in the same position as Wolves, Norwich, Sheff Wed etc. - a medium-big team who are in the position they deserve and if they want to finish above the so-called "small" teams like Colchester have to go out and prove they are better week in week out. We have about 4 players who are good enough to get promotion (Hume, Clemence, Kisnorbo, Macauley) and I hope that Mandaric has money left to spend in January (I doubt he gave it all to Allen since he obviously didn´t trust him) - to keep us up. The best football we´ve played in the last 4 years was with Craig Levein - but with one problem, we couldn´t win any games
Webbo Posted 24 October 2007 Posted 24 October 2007 I´d love to see the team. Believe me mate, you wouldn't.
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