Club needs to be scoured

[Bryn]

Knocked down and built right up again. In the summer.

Sign Fulop and retain Wesolowski, and some of the youth. Flog the rest. Offer em out for free transfers if they can't be sold, terminate their contracts if they won't be taken. Sack anyone involved in coaching the first team and bring in a new manager (well, hopefully the same one we get this week will be good and still in a job) and start building a new coaching team and a new playing staff.

The club is broken. Destroy it and start again.

[WetFlannel]

We will never be what we were

[Joe.]

It all sounds good but it's definitely not as simple as just getting rid of everything and starting again.

For a start, clubs have to want our dodgy players, and that's never easy to come about. Secondly, we'd need to bring in the right replacements, and for what you're talking about (a whole team virtually), it would take far too long to assemble.

[Fez of Mahrez]

I think it's dangerous to react to every single game as if it defines the team as a whole. Home games though - there's clearly a problem and I'm going to state a few opinions.

After the Chelsea, Colchester and Preston games there were a lot of people saying that we would be dangerous once we had our midfield back. I only really alluded to it in one thread (something about Clemence and Wesolowski needing to be more effective going forward) but every time I read it I disagreed. They were fit before, and we were hardly pulling up any trees.

There will be games in the near future I'm sure when we are more effective going forward than we were today. Lots of people were moaning after the Blackpool game but we created a lot of clear chances that day. Today was as bad as it's been at the Walkers, for me.

The most worrying thing is that no matter who seems to take the field (we had a lot of players widely regarded by the fans as the best at the club on the pitch at the end today - Fulop, Kisnorbo, N'Gotty, McAuley, Clemence, Wesolowski, Hume, Fryatt, John - perhaps one insight, there being no wide players among those nine...), there is a sense of desperation about anyone in possession at any one time. At no point today did I see one of our players look confident in possession and trusting of his team-mates.

Wing-backs aside - who were very poor today and generally speaking I don't think Stearman or Sheehan are good enough to play there and Mattock looks far too raw - I think the main problem is that practically every single one of our players is not-quite-good-enough. You can get away with three or four players being below-par but still, even with the investment into the team, we have passes being strung together without looking confident, in control or threatening going forward.

Up front we're a bit of a mess but the fans aren't helping at the moment. Cort and Campbell aren't the best when it comes to their first touch. They look to me like strikers who need chances to score, they aren't going to create a lot themselves because they're not great footballers. Fryatt sometimes creates something for himself but those times are few and far between because most of the time his lack of pace lets him down. The lack of movement off the ball up front is embarrassing and there never seems to be anyone joining from midfield to let the strikers push wide. Teams close us down and make us try to play through them, knowing our passing isn't sharp enough to make it possible and that we have nothing out wide as a plan B.

I'll leave you with this thought - how many chances have you seen laid on a plate for one of our strikers this season at home?

[Bryn]

I think it's dangerous to react to every single game as if it defines the team as a whole. Home games though - there's clearly a problem and I'm going to state a few opinions.

After the Chelsea, Colchester and Preston games there were a lot of people saying that we would be dangerous once we had our midfield back. I only really alluded to it in one thread (something about Clemence and Wesolowski needing to be more effective going forward) but every time I read it I disagreed. They were fit before, and we were hardly pulling up any trees.

There will be games in the near future I'm sure when we are more effective going forward than we were today. Lots of people were moaning after the Blackpool game but we created a lot of clear chances that day. Today was as bad as it's been at the Walkers, for me.

The most worrying thing is that no matter who seems to take the field (we had a lot of players widely regarded by the fans as the best at the club on the pitch at the end today - Fulop, Kisnorbo, N'Gotty, McAuley, Clemence, Wesolowski, Hume, Fryatt, John - perhaps one insight, there being no wide players among those nine...), there is a sense of desperation about anyone in possession at any one time. At no point today did I see one of our players look confident in possession and trusting of his team-mates.

Wing-backs aside - who were very poor today and generally speaking I don't think Stearman or Sheehan are good enough to play there and Mattock looks far too raw - I think the main problem is that practically every single one of our players is not-quite-good-enough. You can get away with three or four players being below-par but still, even with the investment into the team, we have passes being strung together without looking confident, in control or threatening going forward.

Up front we're a bit of a mess but the fans aren't helping at the moment. Cort and Campbell aren't the best when it comes to their first touch. They look to me like strikers who need chances to score, they aren't going to create a lot themselves because they're not great footballers. Fryatt sometimes creates something for himself but those times are few and far between because most of the time his lack of pace lets him down. The lack of movement off the ball up front is embarrassing and there never seems to be anyone joining from midfield to let the strikers push wide. Teams close us down and make us try to play through them, knowing our passing isn't sharp enough to make it possible and that we have nothing out wide as a plan B.

I'll leave you with this thought - how many chances have you seen laid on a plate for one of our strikers this season at home?

All spot on, you rarely get anything wrong.

I frankly feel that with what we have now, we will never get anywhere. There are bits here and there that are quite good - Fryatt's creativity, Chambers' work ethic, Sheehan's set pieces... but it's just several rungs short of a full ladder. I think there's a mentality of defeat set into the club which will never be shifted. There's too much apathy and too much negativity. That's why I think the club needs to be just stripped bare and rebuilt. Not because I think the players crap, but because as a whole I don't think it will ever work out.

[Bert]

Knocked down and built right up again. In the summer.

Sign Fulop and retain Wesolowski, and some of the youth. Flog the rest. Offer em out for free transfers if they can't be sold, terminate their contracts if they won't be taken. Sack anyone involved in coaching the first team and bring in a new manager (well, hopefully the same one we get this week will be good and still in a job) and start building a new coaching team and a new playing staff.

The club is broken. Destroy it and start again.

So you basically wanna Burnham.

Keep Hume and Clem too.

[Koke]

There are key areas that needs to be improved drastically. Up front its just one hell of a mess. The midfield needs to be more creative. When Iain Hume is the only player who is creative in the squad, then the alarm bells should be ringing. It's really worrying. And plus we have no width whatsoever. Sheehan and Stearman barely get past the half-line.

Our defence is good enough. We have a solid base that can be built on, but boy did we really made a complete howler in the summer transfer window.

[Bryn]

So you basically wanna Burnham.

Keep Hume and Clem too.

Punny.

Nah but seriously. I'm sure a few of you saw this thread and thought "more reactionary shite" but I like to think I'm more rational than most. I seriously think this is what the club needs, it needed it last summer. But the opportunity was wasted, as we dicked about signing shite players.

[Yaxx]

So you basically wanna Burnham.

Keep Hume and Clem too.

Keep Clemence? Why? What has he done since joining the club?

Eff all if you ask me.

[Karljohn]

Knocked down and built right up again. In the summer.

Sign Fulop and retain Wesolowski, and some of the youth. Flog the rest. Offer em out for free transfers if they can't be sold, terminate their contracts if they won't be taken. Sack anyone involved in coaching the first team and bring in a new manager (well, hopefully the same one we get this week will be good and still in a job) and start building a new coaching team and a new playing staff.

The club is broken. Destroy it and start again.

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The best post I have seen on here in a long time...spot on.

Been following the team 26 years and its never been as bad as this....I can live with losing games but the current side are completely devoid of ideas..would dearly love to say it takes me back to........but it doesnt...its fooking clueless, worse than pleat, hamilton, levein, taylor and kelly....piss poor management, piss poor decisions at top level. I would just add Joe Mattock to Weso and Fulop then as you quite rightly state, let the rest go....

[coale39]

I think we should move back to 4-4-2

Fulop

Chambers McAuley Kis Mattock

Hume Clem Weso Sheehan

Fryatt DJ

I don't think Stearman is good enough. No dribbling skill to get past people and cant cross just hoofs. Rubbish wing back. Mattock I see as a left back. I put Sheehan left mid because at least he can cross.

The main thing to is that this team is simply not good enough. Need 3 midfielders (2 wingers and one more centre mid) and a new forward. There is not enough quality in the strongest line up (IMO The above formation) and above all, not enough creativity.

[Lovejoy]

Knocked down and built right up again. In the summer.

Sign Fulop and retain Wesolowski, and some of the youth. Flog the rest. Offer em out for free transfers if they can't be sold, terminate their contracts if they won't be taken. Sack anyone involved in coaching the first team and bring in a new manager (well, hopefully the same one we get this week will be good and still in a job) and start building a new coaching team and a new playing staff.

The club is broken. Destroy it and start again.

Isn't that basically what we tried to do this summer?

[Bryn]

Isn't that basically what we tried to do this summer?

Not really. And even if it was, my point still stands, they just need to do it properly this time.

[Fez of Mahrez]

Not really. And even if it was, my point still stands, they just need to do it properly this time.

Too right. It obviously wasn't done well enough if we still have to put up with the likes of Stearman and Fryatt - players who were awful last season and have been barely any better this season - while players who were lauded upon their arrival languish in the reserves.

[Koke]

And apparantly we rejected a £1.5 million offer from Wolves for Fryatt. Appalling piece of business really.

[Koke]

Despite all this turmoil in recent times that have left a sour taste in our mouths, I still see light at the end of the tunnel.

[Brenfox]

The answer is simple. We need to play more attacking football & a quality playmaker. End of

[ceebeefox]

I think it's dangerous to react to every single game as if it defines the team as a whole. Home games though - there's clearly a problem and I'm going to state a few opinions.

After the Chelsea, Colchester and Preston games there were a lot of people saying that we would be dangerous once we had our midfield back. I only really alluded to it in one thread (something about Clemence and Wesolowski needing to be more effective going forward) but every time I read it I disagreed. They were fit before, and we were hardly pulling up any trees.

There will be games in the near future I'm sure when we are more effective going forward than we were today. Lots of people were moaning after the Blackpool game but we created a lot of clear chances that day. Today was as bad as it's been at the Walkers, for me.

The most worrying thing is that no matter who seems to take the field (we had a lot of players widely regarded by the fans as the best at the club on the pitch at the end today - Fulop, Kisnorbo, N'Gotty, McAuley, Clemence, Wesolowski, Hume, Fryatt, John - perhaps one insight, there being no wide players among those nine...), there is a sense of desperation about anyone in possession at any one time. At no point today did I see one of our players look confident in possession and trusting of his team-mates.

Wing-backs aside - who were very poor today and generally speaking I don't think Stearman or Sheehan are good enough to play there and Mattock looks far too raw - I think the main problem is that practically every single one of our players is not-quite-good-enough. You can get away with three or four players being below-par but still, even with the investment into the team, we have passes being strung together without looking confident, in control or threatening going forward.

Up front we're a bit of a mess but the fans aren't helping at the moment. Cort and Campbell aren't the best when it comes to their first touch. They look to me like strikers who need chances to score, they aren't going to create a lot themselves because they're not great footballers. Fryatt sometimes creates something for himself but those times are few and far between because most of the time his lack of pace lets him down. The lack of movement off the ball up front is embarrassing and there never seems to be anyone joining from midfield to let the strikers push wide. Teams close us down and make us try to play through them, knowing our passing isn't sharp enough to make it possible and that we have nothing out wide as a plan B.

I'll leave you with this thought - how many chances have you seen laid on a plate for one of our strikers this season at home?

Absolutely spot on,both Clemence and Wes are midfielders that can win it and sit in , neither get in the box but in a 4-4-2 they do just fine , so long as you play the pace and creativity out wide , surely the Iranian and Portugese INTERNATIONALS should get picked in that system? If it aint coming from the flanks and l can only think of these 2 as flying wingers , drop one centre mid and buy a play maker who can join in.

Forget these clowns in charge at the moment , forget Walshie , this now calls for someone not just useful in charge but someone able to attract with a shopping list of quality that he can fetch in to liven up this dross.I have now stopped saying any of our players are good enough now (although l suppose some could be mixed in with quality) we are awful.

One more thing to ask ourselves , how many of this lot would get into the cup winning squad of 2000. I could be controversial and say that Martin would make something of Carl Cort ( because he would) but l think the answer is 1 Fulop.

[lookwhaticando]

I disagree.

The last thing the club needs right now is a bunch of scrubbers.

[davieG]

There are some obvious weaknesses in the team but at one point or another most have shown, on their day that they have sufficient capability to play and achieve in this league.

For me the tactics employed by the respective manager's have been too defensive, restrictive and devoid of sponteneity. It seems like players are given set tasks and told to stick to them, maybe they just aren't intelligent enough?

What we need is an intelligent manager who can give the players the motivation and confidence to play a free game within a defined yet broad style. Players need to be encouraged to think and try different things to contribute not as predefined robots but as clear thinking athletes.

Maybe I'm expecting too much but then that is the major disappointment about MM's tenure. I wasn't very happy about him taking over but I consoled myself with the though that here's a guy who loves his football, loves to not only win but to win with style. When I bought my season ticket I genuinely believed this is what I was going to witness, I wasn't that bothered that we might not achieve promotion.

What we have though is management and performance at best on a par with last season couple that with the expectations generated by MM and I'm now more disappointed/disillusioned than I was last season.

MM really does need to pull something special out of the bag manager wise (Tigana) otherwise this club is going to be running on an half empty stadium full of under 8's on freebie tickets for the foreseeable future.

[Ultra]

I'll leave you with this thought - how many chances have you seen laid on a plate for one of our strikers this season at home?

In the Blackpool and Watford games, quite a few.

And that was clearly deemed a sackable offence for the manager in those games.

[Thracian]

Seems to me we're picking the team by wages.

You cannot simply pick a side by naming your theoretically best players.

A team has to be balanced - with specialists in different positions.

Porter gets injured - pick another player who's offers as near to him as it gets....Hayes.

Leave Newton out - pick the closest alternative, Ashley Chambers.

This idea of playing strikers as midfield players at any time other than in emergency is nonsense.

The same goes for three centre-backs - it's an emergency idea. Something that might work for a while to build a run of results.

Anyone thinking it's a permanent solution should never get a coaching badge because the system is wrecked as soon as the opposition doubles up on the wing backs.

[BigGibbo]

Leave Newton out - pick the closest alternative, Ashley Chambers.

Bit harsh on Chambers isn't it!

[Smudge]

Club needs to be scoured.......................Brillo idea

[Leicester_Mad]

We will never be what we were

what were we to be honest? we over acheived for 6 years thats what we were (in my lifetime anyways). Alright we arent a really bad side but nothing ive seen before and since the O'Neill era makes me believe we deserve a place in the top 20 sides in England.