Jack Posted 9 December 2007 Posted 9 December 2007 Play Kaebi!!! ... i cant see how he can't get in the team in front of maybury and kenton! At leats give him a go before he leaves and does well at a bigger club and the club will regret not playing him! Maybe because he is Shite Well Atleast 3 managers seem to think so.
The Reverend Posted 9 December 2007 Posted 9 December 2007 Isn't Stearman only 20 Yes he is only 20, but Stearman (unlike Wesolowski), has made almost 100 appearances, and hasnt constantly had his progress hampered by niggling injuries. Hes had the chance to really better himself, has had a consistent run in the team, hes had faith put in him by 3 different management teams this season (clearly on reputation),and hes let them all down.
Kilworthfox Posted 9 December 2007 Author Posted 9 December 2007 That's the all time richest coming from someone who called Ollie a thug & said he would sell his season ticket if he was appointed !!!!Am i right or wrong ? Wrong! Find that comment from me and i will apologise. But being frank you have your fact wrong and are talking absolute shit. You obviously have never met me, and don't know what the fook your on about. I love Facts! You must have made this up about me! Am I right or wrong?
Joe. Posted 9 December 2007 Posted 9 December 2007 Stearman's not good enough, simple as. Kenton or Chambers would be much better ideas for right back.
davieG Posted 9 December 2007 Posted 9 December 2007 Yes he is only 20, but Stearman (unlike Wesolowski), has made almost 100 appearances, and hasnt constantly had his progress hampered by niggling injuries. Hes had the chance to really better himself, has had a consistent run in the team, hes had faith put in him by 3 different management teams this season (clearly on reputation),and hes let them all down. Maybe 100 appearances but I doubt whether the plethora of managers playing umpteen different systems has benefited his progress one iota. And those different management teams where/are still picking him and showing faith. I'm not saying he's perfect or that he would be my first choice but he's made some valuable contributions and all this sheep like abuse will not help the situation. It's almost as if Holloway's made Cort untouchable so everyone returns to slating Stearman, as a team we are piss poor that's not down to one player they've all been below par and made mistakes the others have just been fortunate that theirs haven't led directly to a goal being scored.
Koke Posted 9 December 2007 Posted 9 December 2007 Maybe 100 appearances but I doubt whether the plethora of managers playing umpteen different systems has benefited his progress one iota.And those different management teams where/are still picking him and showing faith. I'm not saying he's perfect or that he would be my first choice but he's made some valuable contributions and all this sheep like abuse will not help the situation. It's almost as if Holloway's made Cort untouchable so everyone returns to slating Stearman, as a team we are piss poor that's not down to one player they've all been below par and made mistakes the others have just been fortunate that theirs haven't led directly to a goal being scored. It just pains me (and most of us) to see Stearman get skinned every week and make deadly mistakes that leads to goals. I don't really care if he's 20 or 35, you cannot afford to have a liability like Stearman in your team. His fellow defenders have rarely made any mistakes. The CB's have been their usual selves and Mattock has been decent as well. Sheehan has come in for a lot of stick but his assists and set pieces gets him out of jail.
davieG Posted 9 December 2007 Posted 9 December 2007 It just pains me (and most of us) to see Stearman get skinned every week and make deadly mistakes that leads to goals. I don't really care if he's 20 or 35, you cannot afford to have a liability like Stearman in your team. His fellow defenders have rarely made any mistakes. The CB's have been their usual selves and Mattock has been decent as well. Sheehan has come in for a lot of stick but his assists and set pieces gets him out of jail. I don't wish to be rude but that is absolutely not true they are making mistakes all the time in fact Stearman was covering for both McAuley and Kinorbo on Saturday saving them from embarrassment. You also need to take into account that Stearman uses a lot of energy running up and down the line and going up for corners so it's inevitable he will get caught out and as a full back it's more noticeable. That's why Sheehan and Mattock have also had to take abuse at times. As for his age I only mentioned that because someone used age to excuse someone else although I do think it makes a difference if he was 35 there'd be no excuse but at twenty he's still learning and will come across players better, more experienced than him. also to say he is skinned every week is an exaggeration you've put into justify your point and frankly it's not true. As far as I can see he's probably no worse than many others and it seems to me people are not looking at the team as a whole and the total contribution of each player. as I said I'm not even sure he'd be my first choice but I just don't think he deserves some of the asinine abuse, constructive criticism fair enough but one word abuse is just unhelpful, uninteresting, thoughtless and plain childish, in my humble opinion.
Joe. Posted 9 December 2007 Posted 9 December 2007 Can anybody genuinely say they think Stearman has EVER been good for us? Apart from his first couple of games in which he looked a great prospect that is. Since then he's gone way downhill. We should have sold him ages ago when we had the chance. We could have got decent money for him too.
davieG Posted 9 December 2007 Posted 9 December 2007 Can anybody genuinely say they think Stearman has EVER been good for us? Apart from his first couple of games in which he looked a great prospect that is. Since then he's gone way downhill. We should have sold him ages ago when we had the chance. We could have got decent money for him too. He's had plenty of good games where he's made a siginificant contribution, unfortunately once a player gets a reputation, good or bad it's very difficult to shift as people tend to look for justification for it and only see either the good or the bad depending on their paradigm.
Koke Posted 9 December 2007 Posted 9 December 2007 I don't wish to be rude but that is absolutely not true they are making mistakes all the time in fact Stearman was covering for both McAuley and Kinorbo on Saturday saving them from embarrassment. You also need to take into account that Stearman uses a lot of energy running up and down the line and going up for corners so it's inevitable he will get caught out and as a full back it's more noticeable. That's why Sheehan and Mattock have also had to take abuse at times.As for his age I only mentioned that because someone used age to excuse someone else although I do think it makes a difference if he was 35 there'd be no excuse but at twenty he's still learning and will come across players better, more experienced than him. also to say he is skinned every week is an exaggeration you've put into justify your point and frankly it's not true. As far as I can see he's probably no worse than many others and it seems to me people are not looking at the team as a whole and the total contribution of each player. as I said I'm not even sure he'd be my first choice but I just don't think he deserves some of the asinine abuse, constructive criticism fair enough but one word abuse is just unhelpful, uninteresting, thoughtless and plain childish, in my humble opinion. But both McAuley and Kisnorbo have been had far more good games than bad this season. Apart from their poor distributions which are appauling, they have been fairly good. Stearman gets singled out because his mistakes have led to goals which has cost us dearly. Every fullback who plays pro football gets up down the flank, some more than others, but nevertheless they all do. Our of the back four Stearman is quite clearly the weakest link . I do agree with you though that the critiscism he gets is sometimes OTT. Contructive critiscism, fair enough, but the abuse he gets is a bit too harsh.
davieG Posted 9 December 2007 Posted 9 December 2007 But both McAuley and Kisnorbo have been had far more good games than bad this season. Apart from their poor distributions which are appauling, they have been fairly good. Stearman gets singled out because his mistakes have led to goals which has cost us dearly. Every fullback who plays pro football gets up down the flank, some more than others, but nevertheless they all do. Our of the back four Stearman is quite clearly the weakest link .I do agree with you though that the critiscism he gets is sometimes OTT. Contructive critiscism, fair enough, but the abuse he gets is a bit too harsh. He maybe the weakest link in what is one of the meanest defenses so by definition he can't be all bad. Besides the whole debate re Stearman seems somewhat pointless because defence is not our big problem it's scoring goals and no amount of chopping and changing of the defence will help us score more, sorry i'll take that back if we should change anyone it should McAualy or kisnorbo for N'Gotty because our attacking options are severly limited by these two and as a by product adds significantly to the pressure we put our defence under. I would say that their distribution skills are as significant in their own way as any mistakes made by Stearman, maybe not directly but they are their.
Koke Posted 9 December 2007 Posted 9 December 2007 He maybe the weakest link in what is one of the meanest defenses so by definition he can't be all bad. Besides the whole debate re Stearman seems somewhat pointless because defence is not our big problem it's scoring goals and no amount of chopping and changing of the defence will help us score more, sorry i'll take that back if we should change anyone it should McAualy or kisnorbo for N'Gotty because our attacking options are severly limited by these two and as a by product adds significantly to the pressure we put our defence under. I would say that their distribution skills are as significant in their own way as any mistakes made by Stearman, maybe not directly but they are their. Of course I realize our main problem is our lack of goals. I mentioned that several games ago. But for that we have to wait til January to solve. For Stearman, it can be changed for the next game, thats why most people are calling for him to be dropped. Becase there is an alternative for Stearman. At the moment we have no alternatives and solutions for our goal scoring problems, we gotta wait til the window opens.
davieG Posted 9 December 2007 Posted 9 December 2007 Of course I realize our main problem is our lack of goals. I mentioned that several games ago. But for that we have to wait til January to solve. For Stearman, it can be changed for the next game, thats why most people are calling for him to be dropped. Becase there is an alternative for Stearman. At the moment we have no alternatives and solutions for our goal scoring problems, we gotta wait til the window opens. So you don't accept that the distribution from our centrebacks could improve our goalscoring potential Because we could certainly change that now with N'Gotty or even Kenton, although Kenton wouldn't be my preferred option.
Koke Posted 9 December 2007 Posted 9 December 2007 Yes, I'm in agreement with you on that. In fairness to our centre backs, there are absolute minimum movement from the midfield so they end up hoofing it up. McAuley is the main culprit in my opinion. N'Gotty in place of McAuley I would say. Kisnorbo makes up for his atrocious passings with his crucial tackles and blocks. And not to forget his goals.
Tommy G Posted 9 December 2007 Posted 9 December 2007 This constant anti-Stearman campaign is helping no-one. People have just jumped on a mistake and blown it out of proportion yet I could point to McAuley, as last man, almost giving a goal away, Mattock allowing his man a free header for the goal, Kisnorbo almost slicing into his own net, Cort not having a shot that I can recall, Clemence hardly creating anything, Chambers not threatening at all, Hume looking lost half the time, Kenton looking laboured.... Stearman tried harder than anyone in our team today to try to create something. To do that he had to get foprward, take risks, look an arsehole at times. Would that a few others took some responsibility instead of forever passing the buck. One thing about Stearman. He was always involved today in defence and attack. Which is more than can be said for most. Thracs talking sense here Theres a small army of people on here who have an agenda against Stearman and seem to put all Leicester City's mis-fortunes down to him. It's not right. Were not 20th in the table because of Richard Stearman, it's the whole team that needs looking at apart from the keeper, he's been the one shining light. Clemence Cort Hume Are all examples of players (along with stearman) who are performing badly at the minute, especially Cort and Clemence. People need to look at the bigger picture and not use Stearman as a scapegoat for citys bad performances. I personally think that we should put Chambers RB and switch Stearman to centre half and drop one of the hoof boys. At the end of the day RS isn't evn a right back, he's a centre half, has he ever been given a decent run at CB at this club?? Every single manager since he's been in the frame has played him right back.
Ultra Posted 10 December 2007 Posted 10 December 2007 Thracs talking sense hereTheres a small army of people on here who have an agenda against Stearman and seem to put all Leicester City's mis-fortunes down to him. It's not right. Were not 20th in the table because of Richard Stearman, it's the whole team that needs looking at apart from the keeper, he's been the one shining light. Clemence Cort Hume Are all examples of players (along with stearman) who are performing badly at the minute, especially Cort and Clemence. People need to look at the bigger picture and not use Stearman as a scapegoat for citys bad performances. I personally think that we should put Chambers RB and switch Stearman to centre half and drop one of the hoof boys. At the end of the day RS isn't evn a right back, he's a centre half, has he ever been given a decent run at CB at this club?? Every single manager since he's been in the frame has played him right back. Stearman was lined up as a centre-half, but lacks the physical strength to play there in this league. His best position is probably as a holding midfielder (the role in which Dave Bassett, of all people, gave him his debut), precisely the role in which Megson used James Chambers and Holloway now uses Kenton.
SOCCERROO FOX Posted 10 December 2007 Posted 10 December 2007 What would Stearz be worth if we were to sell him (remember he is capped at u/21's now )
teblin Posted 10 December 2007 Posted 10 December 2007 This constant anti-Stearman campaign is helping no-one. People have just jumped on a mistake and blown it out of proportion yet I could point to McAuley, as last man, almost giving a goal away, Mattock allowing his man a free header for the goal, Kisnorbo almost slicing into his own net, Cort not having a shot that I can recall, Clemence hardly creating anything, Chambers not threatening at all, Hume looking lost half the time, Kenton looking laboured.... Stearman tried harder than anyone in our team today to try to create something. To do that he had to get foprward, take risks, look an arsehole at times. Would that a few others took some responsibility instead of forever passing the buck. One thing about Stearman. He was always involved today in defence and attack. Which is more than can be said for most. He is poor along with many others that are playing. Agreed bashing people doesn't help, but he is not good enough. the goals shouldn't have got as far as mattock as stearman should've carried on running even before he got turned inside out twice. There wehere at least 2 or 3 other occasions where he just stopped running when it was his ball. Agreed though there were other poor players out there, including eveeryones fave mr hume, who has been poor all season.
Calum McDermott Posted 10 December 2007 Posted 10 December 2007 Maybe because he is Shite Well Atleast 3 managers seem to think so. I want to be either proven right or wrong! Kenton only offers his goof fitness and work rate to the side, whereas kaebi offfers more than that: close control, speed, good runs.
Jack Posted 10 December 2007 Posted 10 December 2007 I want to be either proven right or wrong! Kenton only offers his goof fitness and work rate to the side, whereas kaebi offfers more than that: close control, speed, good runs. I would love for me to be wrong and he turn out to be a good player. I have only seen him play for about 10 minutes so I can't judge him, but it's the only conclusion I can come to because three managers we have had this season and no one has played him.
Thracian Posted 10 December 2007 Posted 10 December 2007 I want to be either proven right or wrong! Kenton only offers his goof fitness and work rate to the side, whereas kaebi offfers more than that: close control, speed, good runs. Kenton's tough!
lookwhaticando Posted 10 December 2007 Posted 10 December 2007 What would Stearz be worth if we were to sell him (remember he is capped at u/21's now ) Wasn't he an unused sub in both those games? If so he wasn't capped, just called up...
Ultra Posted 10 December 2007 Posted 10 December 2007 Wasn't he an unused sub in both those games? If so he wasn't capped, just called up... Correct..
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