Thracian Posted 1 January 2008 Posted 1 January 2008 Who might you sell to pay for Fulop so that we're still left with a reasonable reinforcement budget? ============================================================== To me there are several candidates. a) Fryatt. He might raise £800.000. Hume is already being pushed out wide to accommodate him and we've got other alternatives in Howard, Hayles, Campbell when he returns and even Hammond if he recovers from injury. b) Stearman. Would he fetch £1.25m plus with add ons? I quite rate Stearman at his best but have to ask whether James Chambers would be an okay alternative with N'Gotty, Kenton and Lee Cox as perfectly adequate cover. c) McAuley Another who might fetch £1m. He's a solid, failry reliable defender but we can't continue with two such poor passers in our defence and hope to win promotion. or) d) Kisnorbo £2m. There's talk of his going to Fulham but, whatever, I'd have thought there'd be takers for such a consistently determined defender. e) Mattock. I don't know what he might fetch with add ons but I'd sell him. He's got attributes and should improve but I think we can perhaps do better in the short term.
l444ry Posted 1 January 2008 Posted 1 January 2008 Who might you sell to pay for Fulop so that we're still left with a reasonable reinforcement budget?============================================================== To me there are several candidates. a) Fryatt. He might raise £800.000. Hume is already being pushed out wide to accommodate him and we've got other alternatives in Howard, Hayles, Campbell when he returns and even Hammond if he recovers from injury. b) Stearman. Would he fetch £1.25m plus with add ons? I quite rate Stearman at his best but have to ask whether James Chambers would be an okay alternative with N'Gotty, Kenton and Lee Cox as perfectly adequate cover. c) McAuley Another who might fetch £1m. He's a solid, failry reliable defender but we can't continue with two such poor passers in our defence and hope to win promotion. or) d) Kisnorbo £2m. There's talk of his going to Fulham but, whatever, I'd have thought there'd be takers for such a consistently determined defender. e) Mattock. I don't know what he might fetch with add ons but I'd sell him. He's got attributes and should improve but I think we can perhaps do better in the short term. All of them if possible. The whole playing squad needs to be broken down and replaced piece by piece. Nobody should be discounted in this quest.
Flynny Posted 1 January 2008 Posted 1 January 2008 I'd sell McAuley but not Kisnorbo. McAuley's solid but Kisnorbo's usually the one who does the tidying up. Wouldn't get much for Stearman unless he extends his form, Mattock's value has probably gone down this season, and I don't see us getting more than 600k for Fryatt either. Balls.
Cobbo Posted 1 January 2008 Posted 1 January 2008 Stearman definately if we can, not to take away from his performances recently, however, a million couldn't be sniffed at and Chambers is far superior. Then a striker - probably Fryatt who could raise a bit. I wouldn't really look into selling anyone else to be honest.
Zingari Posted 1 January 2008 Posted 1 January 2008 wouldn't sell any of those just yet its the bench warmers and the MA crap that need to be shifted first
Webbo Posted 1 January 2008 Posted 1 January 2008 Stearman definately if we can, not to take away from his performances recently, however, a million couldn't be sniffed at and Chambers is far superior.Then a striker - probably Fryatt who could raise a bit. I wouldn't really look into selling anyone else to be honest. He didn't sound it today, people keep saying this, but I haven't seen any evidence myself. If Chambers is so superior to Stearman, why does Stearman keep getting picked at RB?
Matt Posted 1 January 2008 Posted 1 January 2008 It's not as easy as that though is it?! Fair enough you can think of several who you'd like to offload as I can, and as Ollie has told players to try and find other clubs, However name several players who other teams would be willing to buy? If you offered players out on free, other teams may be tempted, but I use tempted very loosely and that's on a free. The advantage of offering players out on free is we'll lower the wage bill and free up funds to spend that way but offering players out on frees is the only way I see of us offloading players. As for the players you have mentioned to sell, we would make money on those, but selling those would make us weaker and there probably our best players, best of a poor bunch perhaps but selling our best players for the sake of 1 player? Fryatt - Maybe, unsure, tempting if we're desperate sell, but wouldn't be overly keen. Stearman - On his day he can be our best player, rest of the time he can be our worst, however much I or others slag him off again I still wouldn't be keen on selling. McAuley - No Sale. Kisnorbo - No Way. Mattock - Very good potential for the future, but don't think we'd get much money for him anyway. EDIT 1: Come to think of it, Didn't we turn down a big offer from Sunderland start of last season for Stearman. I know Quinn was manager back then, but they still might possibly tempted. If we had to. EDIT 2: Another thing that i'm not sure on but think i've read is that before Mattock was promoted to the first team, Chelsea were sniffing round him but he turned them down because he wanted to stay here, also he'd have more chance of playing here.
Fox You Forest Posted 1 January 2008 Posted 1 January 2008 Who might you sell to pay for Fulop so that we're still left with a reasonable reinforcement budget?============================================================== To me there are several candidates. a) Fryatt. He might raise £800.000. Hume is already being pushed out wide to accommodate him and we've got other alternatives in Howard, Hayles, Campbell when he returns and even Hammond if he recovers from injury. b) Stearman. Would he fetch £1.25m plus with add ons? I quite rate Stearman at his best but have to ask whether James Chambers would be an okay alternative with N'Gotty, Kenton and Lee Cox as perfectly adequate cover. c) McAuley Another who might fetch £1m. He's a solid, failry reliable defender but we can't continue with two such poor passers in our defence and hope to win promotion. or) d) Kisnorbo £2m. There's talk of his going to Fulham but, whatever, I'd have thought there'd be takers for such a consistently determined defender. e) Mattock. I don't know what he might fetch with add ons but I'd sell him. He's got attributes and should improve but I think we can perhaps do better in the short term. For me Mattock could go another team might be able to bring him along better/quicker than us + a decent amount of cash or Fryatt for all the reasons you have listed above. Also i am willing to sell my soul in order to raise cash for Fulop
Thracian Posted 1 January 2008 Author Posted 1 January 2008 wouldn't sell any of those just yet its the bench warmers and the MA crap that need to be shifted first People won't buy bench warmers. The idea is to raise a substantial proportion of £3m so that we can still buy a bit decent.
Cobbo Posted 1 January 2008 Posted 1 January 2008 He didn't sound it today, people keep saying this, but I haven't seen any evidence myself.If Chambers is so superior to Stearman, why does Stearman keep getting picked at RB? Because our midfielders are shit and Chambers has to fill in for them because he is adamptable and has good ability. He is fast, very solid in the challenge and will run all day.
Zingari Posted 1 January 2008 Posted 1 January 2008 People won't buy bench warmers. The idea is to raise a substantial proportion of £3m so that we can still buy a bit decent. thats not the point though , raising cash is not the main priority at the moment , we need the nucleus of the team to stay together , it would take months for a whole new team to start to gel , we are in damage limitation zone now
Joe. Posted 1 January 2008 Posted 1 January 2008 Defnitely should get rid of Stearman, if he's so highly rated then there should be no shortage of interest for him and we'd be able to get a decent sum of money for him. If the right offer came in possibly Fryatt could be another option. I'm still unconvinced by him and have been for some time now. Apart from those two I can't see anybody else other than those already transfer listed who should be shown the door.
Thracian Posted 1 January 2008 Author Posted 1 January 2008 He didn't sound it today, people keep saying this, but I haven't seen any evidence myself.If Chambers is so superior to Stearman, why does Stearman keep getting picked at RB? I certainly don't see Chambers as superior to Stearman and he doesn't have the curent form to attract a decent fee. But, if he is a good alternative - even as a conventional full-back rather than wing-back - I'd be tempted to try and get a decent fee for Stearman.
Zingari Posted 1 January 2008 Posted 1 January 2008 are you all mad ; selling first team regulars should not even be considered until the replacements have proved to be better than what we have recent experience and evidence of our mass of incoming players seem to suggest that this is probably not going to be the case
Thracian Posted 1 January 2008 Author Posted 1 January 2008 thats not the point though , raising cash is not the main priority at the moment , we need the nucleus of the team to stay together , it would take months for a whole new team to start to gel , we are in damage limitation zone now I think it is always wise to keep buying and selling. Players values go up and down. If they're not in the team they go down. and they get discontented. I've been a dealer for 20 years and have one guiding principle - never fall in love with anything. That applies to players. Football is people trading among other things and it is important to be one step ahead all the time just as in buying and selling anything else. The secret is to be able to sell and be sure that any replacement gives your club a higher asset value than previously.
Jimmy Posted 1 January 2008 Posted 1 January 2008 of that list Kisnorbo, we'd get the most for him and he's also the most overrated, a good to average Championship defender, out of his depth at any level above (as proved when ever he's played for Australia, against inferior opponents then he'd face in the Premier League)
Webbo Posted 1 January 2008 Posted 1 January 2008 I certainly don't see Chambers as superior to Stearman and he doesn't have the curent form to attract a decent fee. But, if he is a good alternative - even as a conventional full-back rather than wing-back - I'd be tempted to try and get a decent fee for Stearman. It would have to be £1.5million + imo. I'd take £2million+ for Kisnorbo £800k/1million for Hume. And maybe £1.5 for Fryatt. Tbh I wouldn't want to sell more than 2 of our better player at most.
Zingari Posted 1 January 2008 Posted 1 January 2008 I think it is always wise to keep buying and selling. Players values go up and down. If they're not in the team they go down. and they get discontented.I've been a dealer for 20 years and have one guiding principle - never fall in love with anything. That applies to players. Football is people trading among other things and it is important to be one step ahead all the time just as in buying and selling anything else. The secret is to be able to sell and be sure that any replacement gives your club a higher asset value than previously. what !!! the most successful teams are the ones that play together regularly , get an understanding and even individual players of limited abilities can beat far better teams of individuals
WetFlannel Posted 1 January 2008 Posted 1 January 2008 Fryatt is a definate. Too many strikers, and he isn't pulling his weight so Should be sold just for his miss today. I would of throttled him if I was Ollie
ibbosuk Posted 1 January 2008 Posted 1 January 2008 I think it is always wise to keep buying and selling. Players values go up and down. If they're not in the team they go down. and they get discontented.I've been a dealer for 20 years and have one guiding principle - never fall in love with anything. That applies to players. Football is people trading among other things and it is important to be one step ahead all the time just as in buying and selling anything else. The secret is to be able to sell and be sure that any replacement gives your club a higher asset value than previously. I would sell ANY of the squad to buy Fulop as he is better in his position than they are in theirs
DB11 Posted 1 January 2008 Posted 1 January 2008 Definitely Fryatt I wouldn't sell Kisnorbo to accomodate Fulop, however I'd be tempted to sell him to make way for some wingers or creative midfielders Do you want Iwelumo or Marcus Bent even? I rate Marcus Bent But we have enough strikers now
Fox You Forest Posted 1 January 2008 Posted 1 January 2008 Do you want Iwelumo or Marcus Bent even? Marcus Bent, Been there done that got the T-shirt But wouldnt mind seeing gemma atkinson at the walkers
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