Suffolk_fox Posted 5 January 2008 Posted 5 January 2008 1. Megson managed to get results with the same players2. He was lucky - look at his full record 3. Because he is inept and was responsible for almost every signing 1. Against different teams 2. Possibly, but I'd rather have him and hope he gets lucky again than have no one to invest in us. 3. All the more reason for having a manager like Ollie who told MM where he was going wrong (ie interfering)
LeeCovFox Posted 5 January 2008 Posted 5 January 2008 1. Megson may have got marginally better results, but he never intended to undetake the rebuilding task that holloway has correctly identified as necessary. Lets be quite honest, Megson new Bolton was coming up, but wanted the opportunity to get results elsewhere to help his case. 2. I hope to god he is half as lucky here. 3. You're probably right, which is why thats where i lay the blame for this, not with holloway.
davieG Posted 5 January 2008 Posted 5 January 2008 Its clear to see why Ollie is ''underachieving'', because he is playing a more attacking style, which is not working and with the players we have, is not going to work.Megson was defensive overload, and that is the style that suits the players we have, simple as. As for Allen, cant judge him, he had about 4 games ffs. Well if we're losing too many games then he should, as a coach adapt until he has the right players. His only objective should be to pick up points he's not doing that, he's failing in his job.
Dames Posted 5 January 2008 Posted 5 January 2008 I love how all these threads suffice when we lose. Give it 2 wins and the play off ones will be back. Oh the joys of being a Leicester Fan.
Suffolk_fox Posted 5 January 2008 Posted 5 January 2008 Couldnt even come out and give us an interview. Piss poor TBH, I would rather he spend time with the team than being interviewed by Barber, wouldn't you?
Suffolk_fox Posted 5 January 2008 Posted 5 January 2008 I love how all these threads suffice when we lose.Give it 2 wins and the play off ones will be back. Oh the joys of being a Leicester Fan. Yeah, funny how that happens...
davieG Posted 5 January 2008 Posted 5 January 2008 I love how all these threads suffice when we lose.Give it 2 wins and the play off ones will be back. Oh the joys of being a Leicester Fan. Fairy tales can come true it can happen to you..............but not if you're a Leicester fan!
Daggers Posted 5 January 2008 Posted 5 January 2008 Its clear to see why Ollie is ''underachieving'', because he is playing a more attacking style, which is not working and with the players we have, is not going to work.Megson was defensive overload, and that is the style that suits the players we have, simple as. 1. Against different teams2. Possibly, but I'd rather have him and hope he gets lucky again than have no one to invest in us. 3. All the more reason for having a manager like Ollie who told MM where he was going wrong (ie interfering) I'm not sure of the relevance of which teams we played, Megson sealed up our defense and that is the only approach that works with the sack of shit we currently have. I reason that Ollie is being terribly naive by trying to get us to attack when it is blindingly obvious that we can't until we have more/better players. I'm not arguing for him to be removed. As for Mandy, I agree - but that doesn't stop us from being realistic in his appraisal.
adam Posted 5 January 2008 Posted 5 January 2008 TBH, I would rather he spend time with the team than being interviewed by Barber, wouldn't you? I think he was done with his team as wesolowski came out and did an interview at about half 5. If were winning you cant shut him up, when we lose hes no where to be seen!!
Daggers Posted 5 January 2008 Posted 5 January 2008 I love how all these threads suffice when we lose.Give it 2 wins and the play off ones will be back. Very apt mis-spelling
The Reverend Posted 5 January 2008 Posted 5 January 2008 Well if we're losing too many games then he should, as a coach adapt until he has the right players. His only objective should be to pick up points he's not doing that, he's failing in his job. I'm not sure of the relevance of which teams we played, Megson sealed up our defense and that is the only approach that works with the sack of shit we currently have. I reason that Ollie is being terribly naive by trying to get us to attack when it is blindingly obvious that we can't until we have more/better players. I'm not arguing for him to be removed.As for Mandy, I agree - but that doesn't stop us from being realistic in his appraisal. Both spot on. He is being naive, but he wants to see us attack because he is not that type of manager is he? Unfortunately he seems too stubborn to change it around. A 5-4-1 or something like that would be so much better for this bunch, as well as for Howard, i think he would prosper from that. But he wont change it. He probably sees it as what the fans want and a lot of them probably do. They dont understand that its not going to work.
filbertway Posted 5 January 2008 Posted 5 January 2008 Are you serious??? I agree completely with the post
Dr_Fox Posted 5 January 2008 Posted 5 January 2008 As it happens I'm not all that disappointed not to progress to the next round of the cup because it would have just been a distraction to us when we need to concentrate on staying in this league However it's the level of performance that I'm worried about and I'm sick of hearing that we can't blame Holloway because these are not his players. It doesn't matter whether he signed these players or not it is his job as manager to get them to perform and so far he has failed miserably. The results and performance levels since Holloway arrived here have got progressively worse and even now with "Ollies" striker force of Howard and Hayles we still look absolutely clueluess Before Holloway came we had one of the best defensive records in the league and he has succeeded in turning that around and now we probably have one of the worst in the matches since he came here I also don't buy the excuse that Holloway plays attacking football and we haven't got the players to do that...well any manager worth their salt is not going to use a system that they don't have the players for so to use a gung-ho attacking approach with the players at his disposal shows a real tactical naivety on Holloways part Holloway has always been very vocal in post match interviews and always has a comedic soundbite for the morning papers but I'm beginning to realise that these funny soundbites are really just to divert attention away from the fact that he hasn't got a clue when it comes to football management Depressingly: As much as I feel Holloway is out of his depth sacking him is not an option. Our best chance of avoiding relegation is to let Ollie buy a few more players in the window and hope that he can get them to perform in his gung-ho system. Here's hoping!
LeeCovFox Posted 5 January 2008 Posted 5 January 2008 Martin o'Neill didnt win for something like his first 9 games? Im not suggesting for a second that Ollie will bring that kind of success to the club, although he has the resources to do so. But what i am suggesting is that knee jerk reactions help nobody. The previous 2 knee jerk reactions certainly didnt.
richy2704 Posted 5 January 2008 Posted 5 January 2008 Yes you will do mate.Well done for getting to the next round. Bit of a pointless exercise tho, you aint gonna win it are you? Nope , but it generates some cash hopefully to raise wages so we can fend off the transfer sharks. Oh just FCUK OFF pal!!!We got enough shit to deal with without gloaters!!! Soz, I trust i if you sign any more of our best players(Norris?)you wont gloat then.
The Reverend Posted 5 January 2008 Posted 5 January 2008 Nope , but it generates some cash hopefully to raise wages so we can fend off the transfer sharks.Soz, I trust i if you sign any more of our best players(Norris?)you wont gloat then. You and you're mates are getting very boring now though, seriously, have you nothing better to do?
ibbosuk Posted 5 January 2008 Posted 5 January 2008 I've been saying we are going to be fighting relegation up to the end of the season for the last two months now.Only we don't seem to be fighting. I will repeat my opinion ((THIS SQUAD IS FULL OF DAMAGED GOODS)) it is barely championship quality as finishing 18th in the last 2 seasons prove. We need to get rid of virtually all of it. If we don't we can look forward to the same mistakes and excuses being repeated by the same players who are THE REAL problem. I guarantee you will hear one of the following either this week or next ((BECAUSE THEY ARE SO PREDICTABLY POOR!!!!!!!!!) "We lack confidence today" and the other stock excuse trotted out by this inept shower of shite virtually every game "We need to learn from our mistakes" What the players really mean is.. We will keep spinning you the same lines (Why not it's worked for the past few years ) JUST AS LONG AS YOU MUGS WILL LISTEN THEY HAVE GOT TO GO !!!! AND HOLLOWAY KNOWS IT.
Eastern Fox Posted 5 January 2008 Posted 5 January 2008 I will repeat my opinion ((THIS SQUAD IS FULL OF DAMAGED GOODS)) it is barely championship quality as finishing 18th in the last 2 seasons prove.We need to get rid of virtually all of it. If we don't we can look forward to the same excuses being repeated by the same players who are THE REAL problem. [/u] We don't have the same squad as we did one or two seasons ago. We've had a high turnover ever season for the last five years or so. A lot of bad players have gone or been sidelined that played last season like Maybury, Hammond, Hughes. Saying 'the whole squad needs to go' just isn't realistic. We're not going to be able to replace most players with better ones with our budget. I think if we strengthen our midfield in Jan we'll be in significantly better shape.
davieG Posted 5 January 2008 Posted 5 January 2008 Martin o'Neill didnt win for something like his first 9 games? Im not suggesting for a second that Ollie will bring that kind of success to the club, although he has the resources to do so. But what i am suggesting is that knee jerk reactions help nobody. The previous 2 knee jerk reactions certainly didnt. I'm sorry but that has absolutely no relevence to our situation. There have been thousand upon thousand of managerial appointments and they are all unique to identify just one as any sort of justification for our current prediction or our response to it is pointless in the extreme.
ibbosuk Posted 5 January 2008 Posted 5 January 2008 We don't have the same squad as we did one or two seasons ago. We've had a high turnover ever season for the last five years or so. A lot of bad players have gone or been sidelined that played last season like Maybury, Hammond, Hughes.Saying 'the whole squad needs to go' just isn't realistic. We're not going to be able to replace most players with better ones with our budget. I think if we strengthen our midfield in Jan we'll be in significantly better shape. Prepare for more of the same then......
Finn Claw Posted 5 January 2008 Posted 5 January 2008 Give Ollie a bit of time, lets see who he brings in over Jan, Howard and a (hopefully) decent winger shows the kind of football ollie wants to play It would be nice to get rid of our 10 worst players but who is going to buy them??? If I was Hayes or Gradel (i can't think of any other wingers) i'd be a bit annoyed that I wasn't getting a look in (Assuming we can recall Gradel if we wanted). A new keeper, another winger and a central midfielder and we will get out of this messs
The Stig Posted 5 January 2008 Posted 5 January 2008 I believe now are good times to be a Leicester fan. We have a good manager, a passionate chairman who will give us financial backing and I believe, although it won't happen this season, they will turn it around.
barmy76uk Posted 5 January 2008 Posted 5 January 2008 shocking manager and shocking players he is bringing into the club,a 35 year old and year old,he is clueless. Get Holloway out before he wrecks this club! Worst manager ever to manage Leicester City!
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