James. Posted 10 January 2008 Posted 10 January 2008 First of all I don't take much interest of the drug industry. Clearly your an expert. It was just an off the cuff comment saying that they should all be Class A as I hate drugs (apart from alcohol). No need to make such a big deal about it. I think you need to pipe down a bit The laughing smilie and the rolling eyes (as well as the guff inbetween) marks you out as someone who lacks the ability to have an intelligent debate. I'm no expert but I have an opinion which I am able to back up with reasonable arguments. Shame you can't do the same. Maybe you should think a bit before posting. Wanting all drugs made Class A because you hate them is a pretty pointless comment to make whether it be off the cuff or not.
Tommy G Posted 10 January 2008 Posted 10 January 2008 The laughing smilie and the rolling eyes (as well as the guff inbetween) marks you out as someone who lacks the ability to have an intelligent debate. I'm no expert but I have an opinion which I am able to back up with reasonable arguments. Shame you can't do the same.Maybe you should think a bit before posting. Wanting all drugs made Class A because you hate them is a pretty pointless comment to make whether it be off the cuff or not. Someone has got out the wrong side of the bed Frankly James, I have given my reasons, you choose to accept them or not is up to you.# Doesn't mean I lack the ability to have an intelligent debate? I will debate something that is interesting, I can't be arsed to write lots and lots about drugs. I've got work to do, perhaps you should get back to your book on ... 'The Problem with Drugs in the UK'
James. Posted 10 January 2008 Posted 10 January 2008 Someone has got out the wrong side of the bedFrankly James, I have given my reasons, you choose to accept them or not is up to you.# Doesn't mean I lack the ability to have an intelligent debate? I will debate something that is interesting, I can't be arsed to write lots and lots about drugs. I've got work to do, perhaps you should get back to your book on ... 'The Problem with Drugs in the UK' My speciality is actually finance. I'm a chartered management accountant as it happens. I know you're studying to be an accountant so maybe we could debate the latest IFRS?
BigGibbo Posted 10 January 2008 Posted 10 January 2008 'The Problem with Drugs in the UK' The problem with everything in the U.K well the world is that the human race abuses everything whether it be drugs, booze & food or leeway, tolerance & power. Give a human being an inch & they'll take a mile!
Tommy G Posted 10 January 2008 Posted 10 January 2008 My speciality is actually finance. I'm a chartered management accountant as it happens. I know you're studying to be an accountant so maybe we could debate the latest IFRS? Haha a bit of light hearted banter at last! management Accountant.. pah! You enjoying doing your budgets?....
James. Posted 10 January 2008 Posted 10 January 2008 Haha a bit of light hearted banter at last!management Accountant.. pah! You enjoying doing your budgets?.... I don't actually work in management accountancy, which is a f**king relief to be honest. I did CIMA cause the old department I used to work for paid for it. Hmm this is far more interesting than drugs... err right?
AoWW Posted 10 January 2008 Posted 10 January 2008 Has anyone ever smoked crack? Would anyone be dumb enough to admit it on here if they had? Yes, that'll sort everything out won't it. Yep...Nope... unequivocally.
Master Fox Posted 10 January 2008 Author Posted 10 January 2008 Would anyone be dumb enough to admit it on here if they had? Nope... unequivocally. Tommy G has admitted to eating out a mans crack
Steven Posted 10 January 2008 Posted 10 January 2008 Anecdotal evidence from the wife's old place (Brum Mental Health) was a stunning correlation between mental health problems and cannabis abuse.Someone will always point to the old bloke who has smoked 40 a day for his entire life and not got cancer in anti-smoking debates while others do similar in anti-cannabis debates...but the simple fact is it isn't good for you. That said, I'd much rather everyone was stoned at home ordering pizza and laughing at children's TV than clogging up the roads or fighting outside pubs. Stoned people commit less burglary too. Whether or not it is a conduit to harder drugs is a mute point but the current (and previous) methods of control have failed and simply reclassifying the drug is not a solution. Society does not need more 14-21yr old criminals clogging up the courts due to grabbing a couple of tokes. There is no scientific basis for that point of view yet. Was the link between alcohol abuse and mental health problems also discussed anecdotally? I just fail to see how handing the control of supply and distribution of this substance helps to reduce it's use. The sensible person in me says that if it was legal then a concerted effort could be mounted to get use tending towards zero. The cynic in me says this is being done to demonise a relatively (relatively is the key word) harmless substance for political ends. After all, inducing a state of paranoia is what this Government is all about.
Tommy G Posted 10 January 2008 Posted 10 January 2008 I don't actually work in management accountancy, which is a f**king relief to be honest. I did CIMA cause the old department I used to work for paid for it.Hmm this is far more interesting than drugs... err right? yeah! What do you do now then instead?
Bert Posted 10 January 2008 Posted 10 January 2008 I have to laugh at the sheer stupidity of some people on this forum sometimes. Making it Class A won't stop people using it, dealing or producing it. If anything, it'll just mean more money and the same prison terms of current class "A" drugs.
Steven Posted 10 January 2008 Posted 10 January 2008 I have to laugh at the sheer stupidity of some people on this forum sometimes.Making it Class A won't stop people using it, dealing or producing it. If anything, it'll just mean more money and the same prison terms of current class "A" drugs. Don't expect, common sense, reason or logic in the "Drugs debate".
Webbo Posted 10 January 2008 Posted 10 January 2008 I have to laugh at the sheer stupidity of some people on this forum sometimes. It's called having a different opinion. Making it Class A won't stop people using it, dealing or producing it. If anything, it'll just mean more money and the same prison terms of current class "A" drugs. No it won't stop it, but legalising will mean that more people have access to drugs and more people will try/take them. The drugs themselves would have to be sold through government outlets as no recognised company would want to be associated with such a dangerous product( I can just see Boots being sued when some tw@t takes an overdose). The price of the drugs would have to be so cheap to make it unprofitable for crooks to sell, encouraging even more abuse. Lastly do you think when drugs are legalised all drug dealers are going to retire from crime and get a job?They 'll just find another equally nasty way to make a dishonest living. The war against drugs might not be working but legalising will make it worse.
Tommy G Posted 10 January 2008 Posted 10 January 2008 It's called having a different opinion. Remember though, he is always right..
shen Posted 10 January 2008 Posted 10 January 2008 It's called having a different opinion.No it won't stop it, but legalising will mean that more people have access to drugs and more people will try/take them. The drugs themselves would have to be sold through government outlets as no recognised company would want to be associated with such a dangerous product( I can just see Boots being sued when some tw@t takes an overdose). The price of the drugs would have to be so cheap to make it unprofitable for crooks to sell, encouraging even more abuse. Lastly do you think when drugs are legalised all drug dealers are going to retire from crime and get a job?They 'll just find another equally nasty way to make a dishonest living. The war against drugs might not be working but legalising will make it worse. I think you're wrong about more people taking drugs if they got legalised. If a person wants to smoke cannabis, he will find a way to get it, legalised or not! But cannabis/marihuana is such a small-scale "problem" anyway compared to the real killers, namely alcohol and cigarettes! Banning the former and not the latter is quite frankly hypocritical...
Webbo Posted 10 January 2008 Posted 10 January 2008 I think you're wrong about more people taking drugs if they got legalised. If a person wants to smoke cannabis, he will find a way to get it, legalised or not!But cannabis/marihuana is such a small-scale "problem" anyway compared to the real killers, namely alcohol and cigarettes! Banning the former and not the latter is quite frankly hypocritical... Tbh I wouldn't know where to buy cannabis if I wanted to. As for alcohol and cigarettes they can take 40/50 years to kill you, drugs however (maybe not cannabis) can kill you first time you try them. No comparison really.
James. Posted 10 January 2008 Posted 10 January 2008 Tbh I wouldn't know where to buy cannabis if I wanted to. As for alcohol and cigarettes they can take 40/50 years to kill you, drugs however (maybe not cannabis) can kill you first time you try them. No comparison really. Taken irresponsibly alcohol can kill you first time. Your view seems like it's been gleamed from the horror stories printed in the Daily Mail... are you a reader per chance? You must accept that everything thus far done to combat drug use and related crime has failed and in some cases may have exacerbated the problem. It's a shame that the people making the laws have very little knowledge of drug culture, if they did then I feel they would be far better equipped to deal with the problem and would look at it from a very different perspective.
Webbo Posted 10 January 2008 Posted 10 January 2008 Taken irresponsibly alcohol can kill you first time. Your view seems like it's been gleamed from the horror stories printed in the Daily Mail... are you a reader per chance? On the odd occasions that I buy a daily paper that is my paper of choice, but I do have a mind of my own. You must accept that everything thus far done to combat drug use and related crime has failed and in some cases may have exacerbated the problem. It's a shame that the people making the laws have very little knowledge of drug culture, if they did then I feel they would be far better equipped to deal with the problem and would look at it from a very different perspective. I hate to say this because it is very patronising and I don't mean to be. I accept that drug laws aren't working and I used to believe the same as you but when you become a parent your views change. You can't deny that drugs have killed , caused mental problems, split up families and generally brought misery to people. The thought of my children getting mixed up with drugs frightens the life out of me, anything that makes them harder to get is good in my book.
Steven Posted 10 January 2008 Posted 10 January 2008 I think you're wrong about more people taking drugs if they got legalised. If a person wants to smoke cannabis, he will find a way to get it, legalised or not!But cannabis/marihuana is such a small-scale "problem" anyway compared to the real killers, namely alcohol and cigarettes! Banning the former and not the latter is quite frankly hypocritical... :appl:
Steven Posted 10 January 2008 Posted 10 January 2008 On the odd occasions that I buy a daily paper that is my paper of choice, but I do have a mind of my own.I hate to say this because it is very patronising and I don't mean to be. I accept that drug laws aren't working and I used to believe the same as you but when you become a parent your views change. You can't deny that drugs have killed , caused mental problems, split up families and generally brought misery to people. The thought of my children getting mixed up with drugs frightens the life out of me, anything that makes them harder to get is good in my book. You have become irresponsible?
shen Posted 10 January 2008 Posted 10 January 2008 Tbh I wouldn't know where to buy cannabis if I wanted to. As for alcohol and cigarettes they can take 40/50 years to kill you, drugs however (maybe not cannabis) can kill you first time you try them. No comparison really. What about drink driving or other alcohol-related accidents? *A bit tongue in cheek* What would you prefer? A miserable sod killing himself with an overdose inside the first 6 months using heroine - or - a miserable sod killing himself slowly with alcohol/cigarettes and costing society a fortune in health service because he she spends a large amount of time receiving treatment for his/her ailment? I know what I'd prefer... Seriously though, I'd be far more worried about children getting the habit of drinking booze every day than them taking hardcore drugs...
Webbo Posted 10 January 2008 Posted 10 January 2008 What about drink driving or other alcohol-related accidents? And drug related accidents? *A bit tongue in cheek* What would you prefer? A miserable sod killing himself with an overdose inside the first 6 months using heroine - or - a miserable sod killing himself slowly with alcohol/cigarettes and costing society a fortune in health service because he she spends a large amount of time receiving treatment for his/her ailment?I know what I'd prefer... *Tongue in cheek also*Smokers pay a fortune in tax and die earlier costing less in pensions, I think the government's on a winner there. Seriously though, I'd be far more worried about children getting the habit of drinking booze every day than them taking hardcore drugs...
shen Posted 10 January 2008 Posted 10 January 2008 And drug related accidents?*Tongue in cheek also*Smokers pay a fortune in tax and die earlier costing less in pensions, I think the government's on a winner there. I'd be extremely surprised if the number of drug related accidents was anywhere near the number of alcohol related accidents. In fact, it's pretty much a no-brainer that one... You're forgetting the effects smoking has on it's surroundings. The whole acceptance of smoking and drinking culture creates a much larger and more dangerous social environment for children, than drugs ever will. Obviously we could argue on and on about costs and benefits to the government, so that's a dead-end. As I just stated, I'd be far more worried about my children getting into that culture than the far less likely risk of them trying out hard drugs. If they're adequately educated, they'd know drugs are dangerous and will be far less inclined to take them...
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