Who would you vote for if there was a General Election tomorrow?

[LeeCovFox]

If a patient chooses not to go to an appointment isn't it right their taken off the waiting list?

I'm actually stunned you think otherwise-missed appointments are one of the biggest strains on the NHS!

You can't moan about higher taxes and then complain that people are being removed from waiting list because they have missed appointments.

Most those who slag the NHS off do so because of what they hear in the media and actually have no bad experiences themselves, except for maybe waiting 3 hours in casualty after they've had one too many

The NHS isn't ideal and 60 years after it was formed it does need to be seriously reorganised this is going to upset people but at the end of it you'll still have a free NHS.

Under the Tories you'd have to pay to see a GP before you even get on the list!!!

Spot on.

[Head Honcho]

Didn't realise we had so many fascists on here. 24 votes out of 52, that's a pretty conclusive lead for the Conservatives.

Not so much Tories as viewers of BBC news whose political editor is Nick Robinson!

Nick who might you ask?

Ex young Tory chairman and head of politics at the BBC-talk about biased political broadcasting

[Number 6]

Probably Labour. As long as it's not Lib Dem or Green party then is all good

[Daggers]

Kilroy-Silk Vanish Bar.

Whatever happened to Kent Fox?

[Zingari]

Not so much Tories as viewers of BBC news whose political editor is Nick Robinson!

Nick who might you ask?

Ex young Tory chairman and head of politics at the BBC-talk about biased political broadcasting

that could be a good example of bias ; ' he was chairman of the "young conservatives" , not a young chairman of the conservatives,

its a bit different

[Hullfox]

If a patient chooses not to go to an appointment isn't it right their taken off the waiting list?

I'm actually stunned you think otherwise-missed appointments are one of the biggest strains on the NHS!

You can't moan about higher taxes and then complain that people are being removed from waiting list because they have missed appointments.

Most those who slag the NHS off do so because of what they hear in the media and actually have no bad experiences themselves, except for maybe waiting 3 hours in casualty after they've had one too many

The NHS isn't ideal and 60 years after it was formed it does need to be seriously reorganised this is going to upset people but at the end of it you'll still have a free NHS.

Under the Tories you'd have to pay to see a GP before you even get on the list!!!

I assume that my point was well and truly missed.

The appointments were deliberately made on a Sunday to ensure the people did not turn up.

From where exactly are you quoting the point about "under the Tories you'd have to pay to see a GP before you even get on the list" - I can't see it on their website at all.

[AoWW]

Whatever happened to Kent Fox?

Lookydo chopped him into small pieces, I believe. As far as I'm aware, he's still got some bits in his freezer - if you're interested in a piece of KF, that is?

[Head Honcho]

I assume that my point was well and truly missed.

The appointments were deliberately made on a Sunday to ensure the people did not turn up.

From where exactly are you quoting the point about "under the Tories you'd have to pay to see a GP before you even get on the list" - I can't see it on their website at all.

The Tories will privatise the NHS as soon as they get a big enough majority-hence you'll have to pay to see a GP.

I didn't miss your point at all.

If you're given an appointment you should turn up for it no matter what the day.

The hospital don't know how many people are going to turn up so surely they'll still need to fully staff the place

[Phube]

TORY!!!!!!

[Dr The Singh]

The Tories will privatise the NHS as soon as they get a big enough majority-hence you'll have to pay to see a GP.

I didn't miss your point at all.

If you're given an appointment you should turn up for it no matter what the day.

The hospital don't know how many people are going to turn up so surely they'll still need to fully staff the place

Hence they tend bulk treat for many treatments ie catarachs, ie they book a load of people at 9.00 am, and then you will have to wait your turn to be seen, so in many cases old people are sat around untill the late afternoon without food or drink (as advised)!!

[LeeCovFox]

I assume that my point was well and truly missed.

The appointments were deliberately made on a Sunday to ensure the people did not turn up.

From where exactly are you quoting the point about "under the Tories you'd have to pay to see a GP before you even get on the list" - I can't see it on their website at all.

Liam Fox has in the past suggested a 10 pound yearly charge for GP "maintenance", although this was long before David Cameron's time. I'd imagine the post was a reference to the traditional Conservative policy of low tax, pay at the point of service (in terms of their "ideal policy") as opposed to Labour's high tax and free at the point of service approach. Personally I prefer the latter, but thats just me. The paying for GP visits policy is certainly not one which is part of David Cameron's plans as I understand it.

I am a Labour supporter, who would probably never vote Tory anyway, unless there was a massive change in their European and Electoral Reform policies, but having declared that bias, my main issue with Cameron is that I see him as a carbon copy of Blair, who I think in many ways was a natural Tory. I was not a fan, but as I have said before, I voted for Labour because in this country we elect a party not a Prime Minister. There are many similarities between Blair in the mid 90's and Cameron now, especially the "media darling" relationship which they both have, which I personally find off putting and lacking in substance. I remember in the mid 90's Blair talking of going further into Europe, and making this a firm party policy. I mention this not because of the specific policy, but as a note of caution. Cameron will not follow all of his proposed policies through. Governments don't, largely because they cannot. At the top levels of both parties I see no discernible difference. Blairites still by and large run the Labour Party, despite the current figurehead, and once Brown fails, as he will, much to my own disappointment, to win the next election. this facton will once again take charge, most likely with David Milliband or Liam Byrne at the helm.

Similar people now run the Conservative Party. I now vote on the basis of grass roots politics. Traditional Labour activists still do their best to support the working classes and this is represented in parliament, if not in cabinet, with exceptions of course. This is why I would vote Labour. The leadership doesn't often come into it for me, althought if Brown had been in charge when Blair was, my personal view is that the country would now be in a very different, and a much better position, although I do believe that it is in a better state now than it was pre 1997. Not better enough, given the time Labour have had, but still better. Brown is by far, in my opinion, the most skilled and intelligent political animal of his day. Unfortunately that doesn't count for a lot these days, which is why mmore media savvy politicians rise to the top.

[LeeCovFox]

Hence they tend bulk treat for many treatments ie catarachs, ie they book a load of people at 9.00 am, and then you will have to wait your turn to be seen, so in many cases old people are sat around untill the late afternoon without food or drink (as advised)!!

Not ideal by a long shot, I agree, but better than the 6 month wait they would have had to endure 12 years ago surely?

[Head Honcho]

Hence they tend bulk treat for many treatments ie catarachs, ie they book a load of people at 9.00 am, and then you will have to wait your turn to be seen, so in many cases old people are sat around untill the late afternoon without food or drink (as advised)!!

This is the downside of people not turning up-they have to ensure they book enough people who may turn up to make it viable.

My 75 year old father in law was shipped from Pontypool to Bristol (50 miles) one sunday to have his cataracts done and he had no complaints.

He did find it amusing that all the equipment being used was on loan from the LRI.

[Alexikokopops]

TORY!!!!!!

[Webbo]

Vote swapping, tbh!

(No. And I clearly wasn't being sincere.)

Me neither.

Didn't realise we had so many fascists on here. 24 votes out of 52, that's a pretty conclusive lead for the Conservatives.

I always find it ironic when people are called fascist because they don't vote the way people think they should.Perhaps the Conservatives should be banned, that'd be good for democracy.

Not so much Tories as viewers of BBC news whose political editor is Nick Robinson!

Nick who might you ask?

Ex young Tory chairman and head of politics at the BBC-talk about biased political broadcasting

Yeah because the BBC is not left wing in any way . His predecessor was Andrew Marr an ex Guardian columnist whose wife is a senior aide to Gordon Brown.

[Ultra]

Me neither.

I always find it ironic when people are called fascist because they don't vote the way people think they should.Perhaps the Conservatives should be banned, that'd be good for democracy.

Yeah because the BBC is not left wing in any way . His predecessor was Andrew Marr an ex Guardian columnist whose wife is a senior aide to Gordon Brown.

Er, no she isn't. She's a writer from the Guardian..

Perhaps it would assist your argument if you managed to do some basic research..

[Webbo]

Er, no she isn't. She's a writer from the Guardian..

Perhaps it would assist your argument if you managed to do some basic research..

Your link doesn't work.

If I'm wrong then I must have been misinformed, but there is no doubt that they are both Labour supporters.

[Daggers]

His predecessor was Andrew Marr an ex Guardian columnist whose wife is a senior aide to Gordon Brown.

I have one friend on the Times, another with the Evening Standard and a third worked for the Mail once upon a time. None of them would ever have voted Tory. Ever. Working for the Grauniad does not mean you are a Liberal or a Socialist, although reading it probably infers you wear sandals, eat tofu and bore for England on the subject of carbon footprints...just as reading the Mail makes you a xenophobic racist with a bizarre fascination for the death of Diana and Maddy's abduction.

[Webbo]

I have one friend on the Times, another with the Evening Standard and a third worked for the Mail once upon a time.

I used to deliver the Leicester Trader.

[Daggers]

I used to deliver the Leicester Trader.

Easier than babies I suspect.

Although I guess an uproar would have ensued if you had rammed some infants through a letterbox. Bloody Liberal do-gooders

[Zingari]

I used to deliver the Leicester Trader.

subversive

[Head Honcho]

Me neither.

I always find it ironic when people are called fascist because they don't vote the way people think they should.Perhaps the Conservatives should be banned, that'd be good for democracy.

Yeah because the BBC is not left wing in any way . His predecessor was Andrew Marr an ex Guardian columnist whose wife is a senior aide to Gordon Brown.

I wouldn't call Andrew Marr biased in any way whatsoever.

Nick Robinson on the otherhand is a disgrace to broadcasting.

Since Greg Dyke and The Hutton Enquiry fiasco the BBC bias towards The Tories has been absolutely scandalous.

[Webbo]

I wouldn't call Andrew Marr biased in any way whatsoever.

Nick Robinson on the otherhand is a disgrace to broadcasting.

Since Greg Dyke and The Hutton Enquiry fiasco the BBC bias towards The Tories has been absolutely scandalous.

Sorry that's boll0x. The BBC has had a left wing bias for at least 20 years. If it's becoming less biased it's because the Tories now have a chance of winning an election and some of them are worried about their jobs.

[Zingari]

Sorry that's boll0x. The BBC has had a left wing bias for at least 20 years. If it's becoming less biased it's because the Tories now have a chance of winning an election and some of them are worried about their jobs.

i would think the fact that so many are arguing over the tendentiousness of the bbc more or less proves that it is neither left nor right ;

personally i think its got a downward tendency

[Hullfox]

Er, no she isn't. She's a writer from the Guardian..

Perhaps it would assist your argument if you managed to do some basic research..

Perhaps it would assist your argument if you managed to do some basic research and made sure your links work.