Now is the time to stick by the manager

[JonB]

Unfortunately it seems Ollie buckled under the pressure of managing a "big club" or one where success was expected rather then merely appreciated.If he couldnt handle it in the championship I dont think he'd be able to in League 1.In the Championship we were looking to compete with the top 6 in League 1 the tittle must be the aim most fans will want.To add to that he would be under immense pressure after this year and people will be waiting for a slip up.Ollie's time is done here both need a fresh start.

As for a manager, I've said it before, its got to be Richard Money.He is a no nonsense manager with a good eye for players.To add to that he has a good record working with youngster which could be imperative next year.He also has a decent knowledge of foreign talent.

You've called this one wrong. Ollie didn't buckle under the pressure, he simply isn't up to the job.

What he is good at is self publicity & spins the truth better than the Labour Party at its newest!

Look at Plymouth - Ollie has got people to believe that he came in to this little club, single handedly saved it & then moved it on to a place beyond Plymouthians wildest dreams.

The truth though is markedly different. Plymouth had won two championships in 4 years, & in their time in the Championship had finished in a higher position year on year. Ollie, on the other hand, had been on 'gardening leave' for what, 18 months, due to a combination of a perceived lack of loyalty & lack of ability. Plymouth paid for & saved him from this obscurity - joining a small but successful club helped his media profile considerably & I'm afraid to say MM fell for the facade.

It'll be interesting to see where he goes next - I bet you that whatever chairman appoints him will be another one of those that loves publicity, but isn't really a football man.

[Thracian]

http://www.fillyourboots.co.uk/club-news-detail.asp?id=1576

Is anyone supposed to be impressed by that? Other than the nebulous notion of stability I cannot see one persuasive argument for keeping the bloke either in there or in fact.

Is the author Holloway's psychology coach cos that was about as uplifting as a lead balloon?

[Wycombe Fox]

What is it with this notion of stability?

We haven't been stable for years and we're as unstable as a one-legged man in a hurricane at the moment.

Why would keeping Holloway give us a sense of stability? Holloway, his players and the ones left over from previous managers have just seen us relegated to League 1 FFS.

Does anybody really want to lay the foundations of stability on that?

Holloway has just presided over our third lowest goals per game ratio (0.91 goals per game) in our 124 year history behind those other 'managers' (using the term as loosely as possible), Taylor (0.87 goals per game in 01/02) and McLintock (0.62 goals per game in 77/78).

The evidence is there to sack Mr. Holloway. The ineptitude, tactics, formations, substitutions, players brought in, and by his own admission "every single thing that we have touched hasn't worked out".

What evidence is there that Mr. Holloway will be able to turn it around in League 1.

Now is the time to really start again.

The older fans will remember our disasterous season of 1977/78 when we were managed by Frank McLintock.

We finished bottom of the old Division 1 having won 5 games out of 42 and scoring only 26 goals all season.

McLintock got the sack and we brought in Jock Wallace. He cleared the place and started again. Out of McLintock's first team squad of 29 players, Jock Wallace got rid of 20 players over the summer of '78.

Of the 9 remaining players, 7 formed the backbone of the 'new' team. The rest of the squad was made up of young players from the reserves and young new signings. We finished 6th from bottom of the old Div 2.

The following season, in 1979/80, Jock Wallace brought in more young players and gradually phased out the older squad members. We won the Division (got relegated next season though!! )

I really feel that we need a similar clear-out now. We're not going to get a better chance, unless we're in a similar situation this time next year having just been relegated to League 2.

[Number 6]

I just don't see change being any good for us. The only name that has been mentioned to which I feel would be suitable is Newell, but I can't honestly see how this would help. He won't get the chance to see any competitive Leicester games until the beginning of the season and by the time he gets to know the squad and what works and what doesn't it could be too late. I know he is an arsehole but Leeds chose to keep Dennis Wise and let him try to get them back up, and he built the foundations which Mac has now taken over. I think there is a lesson to be learned.

[Babylon]

The fact we have just got relegated is a pretty big indicator as to what we should do with this manager.

[DanTheFox07]

Im glad i can finally post on this subject now, i had tried to post on sunday but couldnt get it on. I think you have to look at Milan Mandaric has said about the club about that fact that foundation`s werent in place at this club when he took over. this has alot of relevance as every club needs the right foundations to make is successful, im not quite sure what things havent been right at this club but im pretty sure that a lot of these will be brought to light very shortly. Another thing that I found intresting and I compared to our own sitatuation was what Glenn Roeder mentioned after the norwich game. He got asked bout how bigger job he has got to rebuild in the summer, he told about how he has too many players at the club have been used to losing football matches for too long and that isn`t acceptable to him.

Can you look at our team and say we have players who have been use to losing over the past 4 years? I think the answer has to be yes! Is this Holloway`s fault that the club has developed a losing mentality? He has always mentioned how he`s wanted to install a determination in our players but it hasn`t really had enough time. Surely most of you on this forum must see the Logic in keeping Holloway? he know`s the squad better than anyone else and the youngsters coming through at the club, So yeah lets get rid of him! get Someone else in who has no knowledge of our squad. I think we should give holloway the chance to rebuild our squad over the summer and replace the dead wood at the club with our promising youngsters.

Then looking at it again from his point of view that he wants to install a new mentaility in our team, easier to do so with keen young players who want to impress and havent been use to playing and losing most weeks. Im not a fan of Dowie by the way and this is the man i think Will be brought in if Holloway leaves and ill leave you with this people.......do you Think Dowie is a better manager? because i for one don`t!

[step]

After thinking about it we really should keep Holloway for next season. He knows the players and i can't see any new manager coming in and getting us promoted straight away. No good managers will want to come to us now. Ollie got QPR promoted from League 1 so he is our best bet.

Name me a good alternative that will get us out of League 1 in one season?

Davies and Allardyce won't want to come here now.

Now is the time for stability, i know some fans are saying get rid of all the losers that took us down but we shouldn't let them escape.

They are all under contract and can get us out of this mess.

Our strikers in League 1 now look superb, Fryatt, Howard, Campbell, Hume could all bag 20 goals easily in my view.

I'm angry and devastated Ollie has took us down but we should stick with him. He knows the players and may even learn from his mistakes and sign players who are hungry to play for the shirt. I'm sure he will bring in more youngsters too.

If we do stick with Holloway i think we can storm League 1 and come 1st but sacking another manager could leave us in more relegation trouble.

If Dowie does come in and starts badly, signs the wrong players like Allen, we may end up in exactly the same predictament as this season.

Stick with Ollie and we will come straight back up.

Pure crap.

Other that the lucky brake ollie had at Plymouth, Ollie's results have always been crap. As a manager ollie has one of the lowest points average per game. That is not just at city it is through out his career.

Any manager would be better than ollie,

Get rid and do it now,

[DanTheFox07]

Pure crap.

Other that the lucky brake ollie had at Plymouth, Ollie's results have always been crap. As a manager ollie has one of the lowest points average per game. That is not just at city it is through out his career.

Any manager would be better than ollie,

Get rid and do it now,

Any manager is better than ollie......? i say that is pure crap!

[Number 6]

Pure crap.

Other that the lucky brake ollie had at Plymouth, Ollie's results have always been crap. As a manager ollie has one of the lowest points average per game. That is not just at city it is through out his career.

Any manager would be better than ollie,

Get rid and do it now,

Lucky at Plymouth? Are you serious? They are punching way above their weight.

[Chimp]

What is it with this notion of stability?

It's a rhetorical crutch used by people who have no other valid argument for keeping a bad manager.

Simple as that.

[TrickyTrev]

he know`s the squad better than anyone else

Except he thinks that Barry Hayles is our most potent striker.

That our actual most potent striker is a winger.

That Wesolowski is a less effective midfielder than a 19 year old centre back who has never played a professional game before.

That one of our most talented players, Mattock, wasn't up for the run in and we needed to play a 30 something never been instead.

That Gareth McAuley was worth a large contract and turning downa million squid from Ipswich.

I think there is ample evidence that Holloway doesn't know anything about our players. In fact i think there is plenty of evidence his judgement of players is so poor that he can't assess a squad. 'Stability' appears to be the buzz word, but if we get the right manager in and give them a pre-season that has got to be better than keeping Ollie who will be under immediete pressure to be sacked mid-season if we go out of the playoffs. Thats when instability costs you, when a manager has to use another managers players. Let us not put Ollie in charge of the clear out so another manager inherets even more of his mistakes.

[bigneville]

Any manager is better than ollie......? i say that is pure crap!

Well i have to slightly disagree when Holloway became the first man in the clubs history to relegate us. This combined with his statistics on win percentage, does suggest he is the worst man ever to manage our football club.

Therefore, surely nearly anyone is better than the tactically anept leader of our club.

The best course of action, is to get rid, and replace.

He's been in charge since November, we gave him time, he didn't perform, why all of a sudden should we give time to the man who took us down.

It makes no sense to me.

The future doesnt lie with Holloway

[Number 6]

It's a rhetorical crutch used by people who have no other valid argument for keeping a bad manager.

Simple as that.

It's pretty ignorant to disregard people's opinions because you don't agree.

Well i have to slightly disagree when Holloway became the first man in the clubs history to relegate us. This combined with his statistics on win percentage, does suggest he is the worst man ever to manage our football club.

Therefore, surely nearly anyone is better than the tactically anept leader of our club.

The best course of action, is to get rid, and replace.

He's been in charge since November, we gave him time, he didn't perform, why all of a sudden should we give time to the man who took us down.

It makes no sense to me.

The future doesnt lie with Holloway

Inept, and Taylor was worse

[bigneville]

It's pretty ignorant to disregard people's opinions because you don't agree.

Inept, and Taylor was worse

Is there any statistics proving this?

[Wycombe Fox]

It's pretty ignorant to disregard people's opinions because you don't agree.

I don't believe that anyone is disregarding anyone's opinion on here.

I've asked a couple of times but nobody has actually come up with any reason to keep Holloway other than for stability, which for me, on it's own, isn't a reason to keep him.

What has he done, whilst at Leicester, to convince anybody that he should stay?

Has somebody seen something that others haven't?

[Chimp]

It's pretty ignorant to disregard people's opinions because you don't agree.

Why? If I see a hackneyed, over-used, fatuous sound-bite misguidedly used to prop-up a weak argument then I have every right to disregard it.

Let's face it, if you take away this 'stability' factor from the argument, then what else is there left to convince anyone that Holloway deserves to keep the job?

[Number 6]

Is there any statistics proving this?

statistically close PT won 35% compared to IH's 28%, PT lost 48% of games to IH's 47% and PT drew 17% compared to IH's 25%.

Over the course of a Championship season this would account for:

PT: W16 D8 L22

IH: W12 D22 L12

So PT edges it, but they were in different leagues, had a completely different set of players and were in completely different situations, so the stats aren't that useful. I personally think Taylor is worse though.

[Number 6]

Why? If I see a hackneyed, over-used, fatuous sound-bite misguidedly used to prop-up a weak argument then I have every right to disregard it.

Let's face it, if you take away this 'stability' factor from the argument, then what else is there left to convince anyone that Holloway deserves to keep the job?

he has been promoted from league 1 before?

he knows the players?

he will be more determined than anyone to succeed next season?

the only time he had to buy players was the farcical January transfer window?

[Daggers]

There will be calls for Ian Holloway to be sacked. But that would be foolish.

Right now, Leicester City need a sustained period of stability. A chance for the manager to build structures, that serve the long-term future of the football club.

It's a time for calm and patience. A time for the powers that be to take a step back and try to understand why Leicester City find themselves in League One. A reality check.

On the playing and management side, yes. But also at board level.

The findings may be harsh. But Dr. Reality should be welcomed, when he comes to town. For success, cannot be built on flawed foundations.

I guess you either understand this or you don't.

[bigneville]

statistically close PT won 35% compared to IH's 28%, PT lost 48% of games to IH's 47% and PT drew 17% compared to IH's 25%.

Over the course of a Championship season this would account for:

PT: W16 D8 L22

IH: W12 D22 L12

So PT edges it, but they were in different leagues, had a completely different set of players and were in completely different situations, so the stats aren't that useful. I personally think Taylor is worse though.

Ok, thats fair with the stats.

So now i ask, was sacking Peter Taylor the right thing? I think most agree with the answer being yes?

So if you compare that his record is very similar to Ian Holloway's how can there be any doubt about him being sacked.

Surely sacking him is the only viable option?

[Chimp]

he has been promoted from league 1 before?

So? That doesn't guarantee anything whatsoever.

he knows the players?

Bring a new manager in now and by the end of the month they'll know the players too.

he will be more determined than anyone to succeed next season?

Being determined and having the ability to do anything with that determination are two entirely seperate things.

the only time he had to buy players was the farcical January transfer window?

No point looking back, we're discussing what's going to happen over the summer. Not what happened last January. Even if Holloway did have the whole summer to bring in players that he wanted I have zero faith in him being able to motivate them or instill them with a winning mentality.

[Chimp]

I guess you either understand this or you don't.

Yes, we understand this perfectly.

The crux of the issue is that stability, in regard to staffing, can only be built on competent staff.

We don't think Holloway is competent so any vestige of 'stability' will be constantly undermined.

Is this so hard to understand?

[Number 6]

So? That doesn't guarantee anything whatsoever.

Bring a new manager in now and by the end of the month they'll know the players too.

Being determined and having the ability to do anything with that determination are two entirely seperate things.

No point looking back, we're discussing what's going to happen over the summer. Not what happened last January. Even if Holloway did have the whole summer to bring in players that he wanted I have zero faith in him being able to motivate them or instill them with a winning mentality.

I never said it guaranteed anything, but neither would bringing in a new manager, so you're arguement is the same as mine.

1 month with no competitive games and he will know the players? no chance.

I completely agree, but it might be an edge others wouldn't have.

The last point is a matter of opinion, the fact that so many fans have no faith is not a good sign, of course, but why would we have any faith in someone new? It would just be the sense of a fresh start which seems to have happened a lot in recent times, and has accounted for nothing.

[maddog]

Based on my current personal opinion on what manager we would get in to replace Ollie then we should stick with him.

I don't see how sacking another manager will get us promoted next season.

It all depends on who we can bring in, and we may not know that just yet and have to wait a few weeks.

I know Ollie has took us down and i also know that it's a bit different other teams going down from the Prem but anyway, Jewell won't be sacked from Derby for getting them to the title of worst Premiership team ever, Mcleish has been told he won't be sacked from Birmingham if they go down etc etc.

Now i know thats different going down from the Premiership to Championship, there's a lot more money involved so the current managers can find it a lot easier to get good players in and get their side back up, but it does have some obvious similarities with our position.

David Moyes is a great example, Everton finished 1 place above us when we were last relegated from the Premiership, and could have easily been relegated had we not dropped so many points in the last 10 minutes, but Everton stuck with him.

They also had that crash a few seasons ago i seem to remember when they started awfully in the Premiership, were thrashed in their Champions League qualifying to Virrareal , what i do know is Everton stuck with him.

Now they are almost in the big 4 in the Premiership.

That just shows what sticking with the manager can do to the club.

[Uncle Albert]

Based on my current personal opinion on what manager we would get in to replace Ollie then we should stick with him.

I don't see how sacking another manager will get us promoted next season.

It all depends on who we can bring in, and we may not know that just yet and have to wait a few weeks.

I know Ollie has took us down and i also know that it's a bit different other teams going down from the Prem but anyway, Jewell won't be sacked from Derby for getting them to the title of worst Premiership team ever, Mcleish has been told he won't be sacked from Birmingham if they go down etc etc.

Now i know thats different going down from the Premiership to Championship, there's a lot more money involved so the current managers can find it a lot easier to get good players in and get their side back up, but it does have some obvious similarities with our position.

David Moyes is a great example, Everton finished 1 place above us when we were last relegated from the Premiership, and could have easily been relegated had we not dropped so many points in the last 10 minutes, but Everton stuck with him.

They also had that crash a few seasons ago i seem to remember when they started awfully in the Premiership, were thrashed in their Champions League qualifying to Virrareal , what i do know is Everton stuck with him.

Now they are almost in the big 4 in the Premiership.

That just shows what sticking with the manager can do to the club.