Now is the time to stick by the manager

[Fox You Forest]

Why? If I see a hackneyed, over-used, fatuous sound-bite misguidedly used to prop-up a weak argument then I have every right to disregard it.

Let's face it, if you take away this 'stability' factor from the argument, then what else is there left to convince anyone that Holloway deserves to keep the job?

he has been promoted from league 1 before?

So? That doesn't guarantee anything whatsoever.

[maddog]

Yes i'm tired too.

[Sandman]

Look I am new to this forum, but have been City supporter for past 30 years.

Correct me if I am wrong, but WHO was the man who brought good managers to the club. MARTIN GEORGE.

Brian Little. Took us up.

Mark McGhee. Did well for us. We did protest to him leaving so he must have meant something to us.

Then the great MON. The man who left us in great condition, but no-one since has been able to get us back to the great times.

This chairman knew a good manager when he saw one. If I am wrong please correct me.

What I would say is Milan could do no worse than to hire Mr George as the head on management recruitment for City if we do part with IH.

He may have made some bad choices, but the good ones were far better than Mr Mandaric's selections so far.

We have to look for steel in the side like Walshy, Lennon, and Taggs, AND steel/authority figure in the Dugout.

We have to look back at our history of looking at the managers from lower leagues who have done VERY well, as MON had.

Do not look at quick fix selections who have no record of achieving anything.

The board should look at EVERY available manager and then look at their achievements. Sorry IH but what had you done?

Megson was proven, and I believe had he stayed next season we would have been the next West Brom!

Come on, let's do it properly this time, IF IH is given the push. If he isn't, let's forget what he had done (however bad), and support him!!

LCFC Forever!!!!

[Uncle Albert]

Yes i'm tired too.

Your posts tire me.

[essexfox]

Hi

You're my favourite team

Good luck next year.

ps. i'm a spanner

[Sods]

Hi Crispies

Dont worry we'll have Hollowhead, we need an assistant groundsman, and he's got the gardening experience, he can clean the walls too!

We might take Hume too or Mattock, I think they are your only 2 half decent players, any others?

Enjoy Hereford and go for that Johnstones Paint Bowl

Love & kisses

Green Army

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[Webbo]

Hi Crispies

Dont worry we'll have Hollowhead, we need an assistant groundsman, and he's got the gardening experience, he can clean the walls too!

We might take Hume too or Mattock, I think they are your only 2 half decent players, any others?

Enjoy Hereford and go for that Johnstones Paint Bowl

Love & kisses

Green Army

I bet you've been working on that all day.

[renards]

Based on my current personal opinion on what manager we would get in to replace Ollie then we should stick with him.

I don't see how sacking another manager will get us promoted next season.

It all depends on who we can bring in, and we may not know that just yet and have to wait a few weeks.

I know Ollie has took us down and i also know that it's a bit different other teams going down from the Prem but anyway, Jewell won't be sacked from Derby for getting them to the title of worst Premiership team ever, Mcleish has been told he won't be sacked from Birmingham if they go down etc etc.

Now i know thats different going down from the Premiership to Championship, there's a lot more money involved so the current managers can find it a lot easier to get good players in and get their side back up, but it does have some obvious similarities with our position.

David Moyes is a great example, Everton finished 1 place above us when we were last relegated from the Premiership, and could have easily been relegated had we not dropped so many points in the last 10 minutes, but Everton stuck with him.

They also had that crash a few seasons ago i seem to remember when they started awfully in the Premiership, were thrashed in their Champions League qualifying to Virrareal , what i do know is Everton stuck with him.

Now they are almost in the big 4 in the Premiership.

That just shows what sticking with the manager can do to the club. YES GET THEM RELEGATED!!

How can you compare Ian Holloway with these managers.

He has done nothing as a player or manager, he hasn't got it. He can't pull his socks up because he hasn't got any

He should never have been given the job in the first place, he did a fantastic job in proving that most intelligent fans fears that the job is/was too big for him were justified.

He should of gone weeks ago and definatley shouldn't of been in charge of that sham of a game ..he did everything he could in that game to get sacked.

If there was the slightest chance that he would do it i would say give him 6 games, but there isn't.

You/he may get the satisfaction of saying 'he built this side' when we get a real manager who can get thm playing

[DJ Barry Hammond]

Why would you want to stick with Holloway? Stoke should be the last game he presides over as manager. Inept team selection (Howard and Hayles were terrible), inept substitutions (why wait until the 85th and 90th minutes??), inept tactics (we didn't leave our half of the pitch for the first 45 minutes in a game we had to win). I think we do better than someone who is completely incompetant tactically, has no idea to motivate the players and is tainted with relegation. I think Beaglehole would do a better job if it was really impossible to find someone from outside the club.

I think this is all a little un-fair.

The Howard / Hayles thing was strange? But was done in a manor that meant we could go to two up front if needed.

To start off, we needed a point, match southampton - and with stoke at home and a huge crowd behind them, to go in at the half at 0-0 was a really brave performance from the boys. They battered us, but they stuck at it.

Then you come to the substitutions bit - well with the Saints going 2-1 up and then quickly back to 2-2, I wasn't sure what to do when they took the lead again?

Go gung ho for the win but risk conceeding and the fact that Sheffield Utd may score again - I could see Ollie was unsure which way to play it, especially as we were having our best spell of the game at that point and looked like scoring.

As to what to do next - well Ollie's an honest man, i think he knows that time is up for him here - he's just waiting for Milan to get back to give him his P45. Who we get in now, who knows, i think even Milan is considering his future.

Whatever you think of him I think you have to give him credit for leaving what was a safe job at plymouth to have a go at 'the big time'. He had a side of right backs and strikers, and a lot of ego's and 'big name players' that didn't live up to their reputation.

It would have been a challenge to any top manager to sort out this mess - and sadly, it's still one heck of a one that needs to be sorted - before we're ready to even contemplate getting back up! So maybe the keep ollie shout isn't a bad one - despite the reality of it not ever happening!

[filbertboy]

Based on my current personal opinion on what manager we would get in to replace Ollie then we should stick with him.

I don't see how sacking another manager will get us promoted next season.

It all depends on who we can bring in, and we may not know that just yet and have to wait a few weeks.

I know Ollie has took us down and i also know that it's a bit different other teams going down from the Prem but anyway, Jewell won't be sacked from Derby for getting them to the title of worst Premiership team ever, Mcleish has been told he won't be sacked from Birmingham if they go down etc etc.Now i know thats different going down from the Premiership to Championship, there's a lot more money involved so the current managers can find it a lot easier to get good players in and get their side back up, but it does have some obvious similarities with our position.

David Moyes is a great example, Everton finished 1 place above us when we were last relegated from the Premiership, and could have easily been relegated had we not dropped so many points in the last 10 minutes, but Everton stuck with him.

They also had that crash a few seasons ago i seem to remember when they started awfully in the Premiership, were thrashed in their Champions League qualifying to Virrareal , what i do know is Everton stuck with him.

Now they are almost in the big 4 in the Premiership.

That just shows what sticking with the manager can do to the club.

A nice example but thats all it is one example of it working out for one club. Everton were never in our position of been in danger of having dropped to Divison 1 and potential oblivion. It is scandlous that this has happened to this football club. There must be a consequence for this debacle and when a ship hits the rocks and sinks then the captain goes down with the boat. It is as simple as that for me.

As for Jewell, well clearly anyone who took that job would have ben guaranteed a contract next season regardles of where they finished in the league. it was never a keep us up appointment. Brum are unlikely to sack McLeish. Inpart to save face afterall they lost a better manager to Wigan and they know it.

[l444ry]

Ian Holloway has lost the confidence of the majority of people connected with City. Even if he started well next season everyone would be on his back at the slightest sniff of anything going wrong. His chance is gone. A fresh start would be in the interests of all.

[Chimp]

That just shows what sticking with the manager can do to the club.

Yes, for sure, but only if the manager has shown himself competent.

[Chimp]

I think this is all a little un-fair.

The Howard / Hayles thing was strange? But was done in a manor that meant we could go to two up front if needed.

To start off, we needed a point, match southampton - and with stoke at home and a huge crowd behind them, to go in at the half at 0-0 was a really brave performance from the boys. They battered us, but they stuck at it.

Then you come to the substitutions bit - well with the Saints going 2-1 up and then quickly back to 2-2, I wasn't sure what to do when they took the lead again?

I don't think it's unfair at all.

The Stoke game was an absolute disgrace. To gamble the future of our club on getting a draw and hoping that matched what Southampton would achieve was completely unforgiveable.

It's exactly this kind of defeatist, self-belittling, over-cautious attitude that has lead LCFC to where we are now. How can we expect the team to show motivation, spirit, guts and a winning mentality when the management are so sadly lacking in all these attributes?

[Eastern Fox]

I don't think it's unfair at all.

The Stoke game was an absolute disgrace. To gamble the future of our club on getting a draw and hoping that matched what Southampton would achieve was completely unforgiveable.

It's exactly this kind of defeatist, self-belittling, over-cautious attitude that has lead LCFC to where we are now. How can we expect the team to show motivation, spirit, guts and a winning mentality when the management are so sadly lacking in all these attributes?

Exactly, anyone who saw the Stoke game and thinks Holloway should stay is completely clueless. Playing for a draw and hoping Southampton wouldn't beat Sheff United at home shows how inept, spineless and pathetic Holloway is.

[Wycombe Fox]

Then you come to the substitutions bit - well with the Saints going 2-1 up and then quickly back to 2-2, I wasn't sure what to do when they took the lead again

Welcome to Foxestalk Ollie! Close the door on your way out...

[DJ Barry Hammond]

I don't think it's unfair at all.

The Stoke game was an absolute disgrace. To gamble the future of our club on getting a draw and hoping that matched what Southampton would achieve was completely unforgiveable.

It's exactly this kind of defeatist, self-belittling, over-cautious attitude that has lead LCFC to where we are now. How can we expect the team to show motivation, spirit, guts and a winning mentality when the management are so sadly lacking in all these attributes?

I'm sure had we conceeded a late goal from trying to get a win - with Southampton only drawing there'd the critiscism would be the same.

It was the preverable catch 22 situation.

[bigneville]

I'm sure had we conceeded a late goal from trying to get a win - with Southampton only drawing there'd the critiscism would be the same.

It was the preverable catch 22 situation.

It was always simple.

A win would keep us up.

An attempt to win the game before the 70th minute would have been nice.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

It was always simple.

A win would keep us up.

An attempt to win the game before the 70th minute would have been nice.

But it wasn't as simple as that - a draw and a Sheffield Wednesday defeat would have kept us up. A draw and a Southampton draw would have kept us up. I know you can't depend on other teams on results, but if they were going in your favour it's difficult to jusitfy putting 4 up front to win a game you didn't need to win.

[bigneville]

But it wasn't as simple as that - a draw and a Sheffield Wednesday defeat would have kept us up. A draw and a Southampton draw would have kept us up. I know you can't depend on other teams on results, but if they were going in your favour it's difficult to jusitfy putting 4 up front to win a game you didn't need to win.

The game was a must win though.

Only a fool would gamble on the other teams not winning, which is what Holloway did.

I'm not saying throw 4 up front, but some attempt to attack would have been nice.

[davieG]

But it wasn't as simple as that - a draw and a Sheffield Wednesday defeat would have kept us up. A draw and a Southampton draw would have kept us up. I know you can't depend on other teams on results, but if they were going in your favour it's difficult to jusitfy putting 4 up front to win a game you didn't need to win.

The simple fact is we needed to win you cannot rely on others in our situation. Even if Southampton had been drawing at 90 minutes they still could have scored/won their game in injury time.

You have weigh up the risks, any game is losable as we found through out the season but they're very rarely winnable if you don't try, that is exactly why we were in that position in the first place.

A cowardly defensive approach to virtually every game under both Megson and Holloway, Megson had an excuse but Holloway was able to strengthen his team considerable but still chickened out when it called for some balls.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

The game was a must win though.

Only a fool would gamble on the other teams not winning, which is what Holloway did.

I'm not saying throw 4 up front, but some attempt to attack would have been nice.

When you're in the postion we were in - and with Sheffield Utd's form before the game I wasn't counting for anything away to Stoke - I was pinning my hopes on a Sheffield Utd win.

Now take Birmingham's position in the Premiership for example - a draw can keep them up if the other teams are losing - so if results are going there way and they are drawing - do you push for the win with 20 minutes left?

[davieG]

When you're in the postion we were in - and with Sheffield Utd's form before the game I wasn't counting for anything away to Stoke - I was pinning my hopes on a Sheffield Utd win.

Now take Birmingham's position in the Premiership for example - a draw can keep them up if the other teams are losing - so if results are going there way and they are drawing - do you push for the win with 20 minutes left?

Sheff U had 3 top players missing.

No I'd push for a win from the off, in our case Stoke were just as uptight and nervy as us and prone to mistakes.

[Chimp]

But it wasn't as simple as that - a draw and a Sheffield Wednesday defeat would have kept us up. A draw and a Southampton draw would have kept us up. I know you can't depend on other teams on results, but if they were going in your favour it's difficult to jusitfy putting 4 up front to win a game you didn't need to win.

So why base your gameplan and tactics on something that is unknown, random and totally out of your control?

[Ash]

To be honest i'm pissed of with Ollie at the minute,Not sure whether i want him here next season, I wouldnt say it was all his fault we went down because he didnt start the season as our manager and had to deal with other managers players! But what makes me mad is he constantly made excuses after game and never admitted his mistakes! He talks the talk but cant walk the walk it seems to me! Im not ruling him out of getting us straight back up, if given the chance though!

If anyone had to come i'd want Grayson!

[bigneville]

When you're in the postion we were in - and with Sheffield Utd's form before the game I wasn't counting for anything away to Stoke - I was pinning my hopes on a Sheffield Utd win.

Now take Birmingham's position in the Premiership for example - a draw can keep them up if the other teams are losing - so if results are going there way and they are drawing - do you push for the win with 20 minutes left?

Yes, as you should never rely on another team doing something for you.

Whilst its in your own hands, you should take your own responsibility, with some risk.

Holloway played for the draw on Sunday, which in the end didn't prove good enough.

There should have been some attacking intent from the start.

It was in our own hands, and by playing for the draw instead of the win, meant we were unable to get the result we needed.