Ric Flair Posted 28 May 2008 Posted 28 May 2008 Why is it that your average Leicester fan craves the return of an ex player to manage this club of ours? To me, it just highlights how clueless and desperate the fans of this club are. Why would an ex player be any more of a success than a manager that hasn't played for us before? I accept that people that have previously been involved with this club, have an idea what this club is all about and that can be positive, but do all clubs in this country and around the world require an ex player to manage them to success? It riles me to turn on the radio and read the papers and what not and see our severely limited fans make us an even bigger laughing stock by proclaiming we need Walsh or some other ex player to take us forward. No, we need a manager to come in and see this club for what it is, with no past here to cloud their memory. Do you really think just because an ex player who was perhaps successful here, is going to be able to turn it around here because they won a few trophies and promotions with us? They'd probably get here, realise just how alien this place is to them now and have the pressure of the fans expectations because they were a folk hero years ago here and that's not a good start. We need a mentally strong manager who has experience of taking a club on like this and moulding it exactly how they want it to be, take no prisoners, either buy in to it or fook off. I believe Martin Allen tried to do that, but went about it the wrong way. Holloway fell short because his motivational brilliance at smaller clubs escaped him when he came here due to it being unsuitable for what we need here. I'm favouring an experienced manager right now, because I don't have the confidence that an unproven manager can fire this club and team up like we need it to. Please stop kidding yourselves that Steve Walsh or even Simon Grayson could lead to us past glories. I have nearly fallen in to that trap a few times, especially with Walsh. Grayson, has done well at Blackpool, but we're relying on the fact that he once played for us that he'd be the man to sort us out. Where's the evidence? Can we really be sure he's capable of managing a club of our size and in this predicament and be successful? We really do need to get this decision right, the amount of managers that have failed here since Micky Adams is frightening and that has to be dealt with. Please think outside the box.
Tilley Posted 28 May 2008 Posted 28 May 2008 Good post Ric. I agree, I also do not think an ex-player or unproven manager is right to take us forward. Ian Holloway came here and didn't realise the enormity of the task or the size of the club. We need someone who can come here, get the club by the scruff of the neck and sort it out. We need a fighting spirit, we need confidence, we need to have a wining mentality installed and most importantly, we need to only have players here who want to play for the shirt. This club needs one major transformation, & the new man needs to realise that before he signs the contract. Billy Davies had to do it at Derby, and got success but just one season too early. I don't think that Walsh/Taggart/Grayson are the right men to take this club to where it needs to go in its current situation.
Number 6 Posted 28 May 2008 Posted 28 May 2008 Spot on, the expectations would be raised higher and could only really lead to greater disappointment.
Thracian Posted 28 May 2008 Posted 28 May 2008 Why is it that your average Leicester fan craves the return of an ex player to manage this club of ours? To me, it just highlights how clueless and desperate the fans of this club are.Why would an ex player be any more of a success than a manager that hasn't played for us before? I accept that people that have previously been involved with this club, have an idea what this club is all about and that can be positive, but do all clubs in this country and around the world require an ex player to manage them to success? It riles me to turn on the radio and read the papers and what not and see our severely limited fans make us an even bigger laughing stock by proclaiming we need Walsh or some other ex player to take us forward. No, we need a manager to come in and see this club for what it is, with no past here to cloud their memory. Do you really think just because an ex player who was perhaps successful here, is going to be able to turn it around here because they won a few trophies and promotions with us? They'd probably get here, realise just how alien this place is to them now and have the pressure of the fans expectations because they were a folk hero years ago here and that's not a good start. We need a mentally strong manager who has experience of taking a club on like this and moulding it exactly how they want it to be, take no prisoners, either buy in to it or fook off. I believe Martin Allen tried to do that, but went about it the wrong way. Holloway fell short because his motivational brilliance at smaller clubs escaped him when he came here due to it being unsuitable for what we need here. I'm favouring an experienced manager right now, because I don't have the confidence that an unproven manager can fire this club and team up like we need it to. Please stop kidding yourselves that Steve Walsh or even Simon Grayson could lead to us past glories. I have nearly fallen in to that trap a few times, especially with Walsh. Grayson, has done well at Blackpool, but we're relying on the fact that he once played for us that he'd be the man to sort us out. Where's the evidence? Can we really be sure he's capable of managing a club of our size and in this predicament and be successful? We really do need to get this decision right, the amount of managers that have failed here since Micky Adams is frightening and that has to be dealt with. Please think outside the box. Agreed with you all the way until the last paragraph but comparing Walsh with Grayson is a bit uncharitable. Walsh has had stacks of time to get his coaching badges, find a suitable post and prove to the world that he has something to offer in that department. Instead he's done nothing but cack on the sidelines. Grayson by contrast has quietly set about showing that he can manage. I don't remember Grayson looking anything special as a player when he arrived but his achievements proved otherwise and in his quiet, understated way, he earned respect. Seems to me he's the same as a manager and very easily underrated because he's not an eyecatcher and he's not a public parader. I have mixed feelings about who should be manager and Grayson is one of several I'd be happy with. But of all the more appealing candidates - including Ince and Newell - he is number one in terms of my certainty that he wouldn't let us down and would start to give us some pride back. Where I'm less than certain is whether he has the genuine flair and personal charisma to give us promotion as quickly as our self-wounding chairman requires. But who has as our level?
The People's Hero Posted 28 May 2008 Posted 28 May 2008 Ric. You've let me down. Down you share the dream of Ormo and Philps taking us in to oblivion with gormless smiles on their pig ugly faces?
Bellend Sebastian Posted 28 May 2008 Posted 28 May 2008 Platnauer for Manager! He's coached under 13's (or something) AND has helped out in his wife's sandwich shop on the Saff, surely evidence of an astute mind for business, and an LCFC legend to boot. What could go wrong? Everything! I cannot think of a single reason why you would appoint an ex-player over a non ex-player if everything else was equal. There are reasons not to - additional irrational expectations of supporters, the risk of sullying an existing long standing reputation etc. If Walsh came in and lost the first 6 games 5-0, people wouldn't be going 'good old Walshie, LEGEND', they'd be whining and calling him a cock, and that would be as likely how people remember him for the rest of time
Daggers Posted 28 May 2008 Posted 28 May 2008 Please think outside the box. Under Mandaric, who have our managers been concerned about: Kelly, his smashing bunch of lads Worthington, obtaining a contract Allen, himself Megson, himself Holloway, his family We've come a poor second. I've not seen anyone playing with any pride in or respect for the shirt - I don't think it is too much to ask for that from the team and if it means getting in a manager who loves the club then that could only be a good thing in my book. That said, I think competence should be the precursor and deciding factor.
Thracian Posted 28 May 2008 Posted 28 May 2008 Under Mandaric, who have our managers been concerned about: Kelly, his smashing bunch of lads Worthington, obtaining a contract Allen, himself Megson, himself Holloway, his family We've come a poor second. I've not seen anyone playing with any pride in or respect for the shirt - I don't think it is too much to ask for that from the team and if it means getting in a manager who loves the club then that could only be a good thing in my book. That said, I think competence should be the precursor and deciding factor. The further down the Leagues you go the less likely it is you'll get a provenly competent manager.
The People's Hero Posted 28 May 2008 Posted 28 May 2008 On another note, whitlock (the poster) must be Mike Whitlow. I'm considering appointing him as our new gaffer in light of this irrefutable truth.
Ric Flair Posted 28 May 2008 Author Posted 28 May 2008 Steffen Freund would be the only ex-player i'd want in as manager. Newell & Davies, i'm going to ignore they ever played for us.
Number 6 Posted 28 May 2008 Posted 28 May 2008 On another note, whitlock (the poster) must be Mike Whitlow.I'm considering appointing him as our new gaffer in light of this irrefutable truth. Milan?
stevec Posted 28 May 2008 Posted 28 May 2008 Please think outside the box. Right on - only I wish the players would start thinking "inside" the box
Thracian Posted 28 May 2008 Posted 28 May 2008 Right on - only I wish the players would start thinking "inside" the box They've got to get into it first.
The People's Hero Posted 28 May 2008 Posted 28 May 2008 They've got to get into it first. Perhaps they're as paranoid as you about all the lines?
stevec Posted 28 May 2008 Posted 28 May 2008 They've got to get into it first. One step at a time. Just learning to think is going to be a big thing for some of these players
Father Ted Posted 28 May 2008 Posted 28 May 2008 Steffen Freund would be the only ex-player i'd want in as manager. Newell & Davies, i'm going to ignore they ever played for us. Steffen Freund
Scow Posted 28 May 2008 Posted 28 May 2008 Billy Davies and David Kelly management team - 72 games between them in a City shirt. A bit of balanace, eh? But seriously, I agree with Ric. It annoys the hell out of me to listen to degenerates on the radio suggesting former players (such as Walsh) just beause they've played for the club. There's no real argument apart from the weak: 'He knows the club', 'He'll motivate them' etc. It's crap.
The Stig Posted 28 May 2008 Posted 28 May 2008 Good post, we need some experience. We need a disciplinearian (can't spell it) and someone who's tactically sound. Again if only if it were that simple.
The Stig Posted 28 May 2008 Posted 28 May 2008 Mancini might do ok here. I'd give him a shot anyway Balls to him, we want Jose. Or failing that Martin Allen back.
Head Honcho Posted 28 May 2008 Posted 28 May 2008 The man for the job has been at the club for over 30 years. Get the Birch in charge!
l444ry Posted 28 May 2008 Posted 28 May 2008 One might be forgiven for thinking that City have looked "outside the box" for too long now. Because the last half a dozen managers appear to have shown no empathy or understanding of the history and values of the club, it is a perfectly logical thought that an ex-player might better reflect these traditions. How many times have fans on this board bemoaned the lack of commitment shown in the past by the likes of Steve Walsh, Gerry Taggart and others? How many times have others wished the club played in a style that used wingers in the way Lenny Glover or Steve Lynex flourished? Of course you can't appoint any old oik who has pulled that blue jersey on. But if any ex-player could recreate for City what many of the ex-Hammers did for West Ham, Sam Allardyce for Bolton, Keegan at Newcastle right down to Tilson at Southend then that manager is given the extra slack by the fans that is required for stability. Steve Walsh may never have managed a club yet but anyone with half a brain must have seen that he was a born leader. If he was surrounded by an experienced man like Brian Little or similar there is no reason why he should do any worse than the last pathetic managerial efforts we have witnessed.
smokey Posted 28 May 2008 Posted 28 May 2008 Why is it that your average Leicester fan craves the return of an ex player to manage this club of ours? To me, it just highlights how clueless and desperate the fans of this club are.Why would an ex player be any more of a success than a manager that hasn't played for us before? I accept that people that have previously been involved with this club, have an idea what this club is all about and that can be positive, but do all clubs in this country and around the world require an ex player to manage them to success? It riles me to turn on the radio and read the papers and what not and see our severely limited fans make us an even bigger laughing stock by proclaiming we need Walsh or some other ex player to take us forward. No, we need a manager to come in and see this club for what it is, with no past here to cloud their memory. Do you really think just because an ex player who was perhaps successful here, is going to be able to turn it around here because they won a few trophies and promotions with us? They'd probably get here, realise just how alien this place is to them now and have the pressure of the fans expectations because they were a folk hero years ago here and that's not a good start. We need a mentally strong manager who has experience of taking a club on like this and moulding it exactly how they want it to be, take no prisoners, either buy in to it or fook off. I believe Martin Allen tried to do that, but went about it the wrong way. Holloway fell short because his motivational brilliance at smaller clubs escaped him when he came here due to it being unsuitable for what we need here. I'm favouring an experienced manager right now, because I don't have the confidence that an unproven manager can fire this club and team up like we need it to. Please stop kidding yourselves that Steve Walsh or even Simon Grayson could lead to us past glories. I have nearly fallen in to that trap a few times, especially with Walsh. Grayson, has done well at Blackpool, but we're relying on the fact that he once played for us that he'd be the man to sort us out. Where's the evidence? Can we really be sure he's capable of managing a club of our size and in this predicament and be successful? We really do need to get this decision right, the amount of managers that have failed here since Micky Adams is frightening and that has to be dealt with. Please think outside the box. Excellent post! I have said on many occasions about all the clueless fans who keep shouting for Steve Walsh for Manager! Whatever!!! If Steve Walsh was so keen to be a manager why did he f**k off to Spain for 5 years running is golfing holiday business instead of getting his badges and trying to get in somewhere and work is way up as a coach??? Great ex player, leave it at that!
Daggers Posted 28 May 2008 Posted 28 May 2008 Steve Walsh may never have managed a club yet but anyone with half a brain must have seen that he was a born leader. If he was surrounded by an experienced man like Brian Little or similar there is no reason why he should do any worse than the last pathetic managerial efforts we have witnessed. Tony Adams was a "born leader" but his first foray into management was none too successful. I don't think leading on the pitch equates to being able to lead off it, and when someone has displayed no intention of entering management apart from making the odd quip on the radio I fail to see how it makes them a sensible candidate. At best Walsh would be a 50/50 bet - and I'm not prepared to swallow those odds. Give me a bit of experience now, considering our current position.
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