Absolute *** of our time Pt.MXXVI

[acooling08]

Back? Is she American? I thought his wives were British, his first one certainly was.

Perhaps technically, but how anybody can say she's truly British is beyond me. No doubt the children, having been brought up by Hamza, will be future extremists too. Get rid now. Send them with him, anywhere but here claiming benefits.

[Guest]

Perhaps technically, but how anybody can say she's truly British is beyond me. No doubt the children, having been brought up by Hamza, will be future extremists too. Get rid now. Send them with him, anywhere but here claiming benefits.

Where do you propose to send British citizens? Just as a matter of interest?

And do you know for a fact that they are claiming benefits? Or is this just conjecture? I really don't know, so await to be enlightened.

[acooling08]

Where do you propose to send British citizens? Just as a matter of interest?

And do you know for a fact that they are claiming benefits? Or is this just conjecture? I really don't know, so await to be enlightened.

http://www.channel4....radition-ruling

The former Finsbury Park preacher and his family have racked up legal and social benefit bills estimated at £2.7m in the eight years he has been in Britain. He has nine children by two wives.

In 2010, the family lived in a £700,000 five-bedroom council property in an exclusive west London street.

Amazing how much money he and his spawn will cost us altogether as taxpayers. He should have been booted out 8 years ago. Or better yet, killed. And everyone supporting Hamza outside court today (see below) is no better.

I take back my criticism of the police. Any dutiful British policeman/woman who can stand there without pummeling the living hell out of these cancerous 'british citizens' deserves all the accolades they get.

Oh to have Churchill as PM now. He'd have these shits hanged.

Edited 5 October 2012 by acooling08

[The Doctor]

The former Finsbury Park preacher and his family have racked up legal and social benefit bills estimated at £2.7m in the eight years he has been in Britain. He has nine children by two wives.

In 2010, the family lived in a £700,000 five-bedroom council property in an exclusive west London street.

Amazing how much money he and his spawn will cost us altogether as taxpayers. He should have been booted out 8 years ago. Or better yet, killed. And everyone supporting Hamza outside court today (see below) is no better.

I take back my criticism of the police. Any dutiful British policeman/woman who can stand there without pummeling the living hell out of these cancerous 'british citizens' deserves all the accolades they get.

Oh to have Churchill as PM now. He'd have these shits hanged.

I won't even get into the comment about killing them, I really can't be fucked to discuss that with you, so - That covers the benefits claim - now then, where do you suggest to deport British people?

[Knightonian]

where do you suggest to deport British people?

Coventry

[The Doctor]

Coventry

Too close - we need to at least build a nice durable wall round it.

[acooling08]

I won't even get into the comment about killing them, I really can't be ****ed to discuss that with you, so - That covers the benefits claim - now then, where do you suggest to deport British people?

Even if you don't execute them, why spend so much precious money on benefits for clearly some of the least deserving people around? Give them nothing and spend it on every under-funded thing in this country (which is most things).

This is my opinion on nationality:

Just because someone falls out of a vagina in Britain doesn't make them British.

That's like saying a tomato grown in a potato field is therefore a potato.

The person should be sent to their, or their parents, country of origin. If this is not possible then you can't just send them anywhere, you'd have to inprison them in the UK.

People like Hamza don't see themselves as British. Hell, they insult it and plot to destroy it. But they still like to collect their benefits for bashing out more little 'Britons'.

Edited 5 October 2012 by acooling08

[Guest]

Oh my word. Do you know how much was spent on legal costs, and how much on benefits?

Do you know how much more would have been spent if we had capital punishment? Ill give you a clue, this is the tip of the iceberg.

I wish I lived in acooling08's world. Life would be so much simpler.

[Guest]

For the record, my husband would be sent to Wales.

I quite like acooling08's thinking...

[The Doctor]

Even if you don't execute them, why spend so much precious money on benefits for clearly some of the least deserving people around? Give them nothing and spend it on every under-funded thing in this country (which is most things).

This is my opinion on nationality:

Just because someone falls out of a vagina in Britain doesn't make them British.

That's like saying a tomato grown in a potato field is therefore a potato.

The person should be sent to their, or their parents, country of origin. If this is not possible then you can't just send them anywhere, you'd have to inprison them in the UK.

People like Hamza don't see themselves as British. Hell, they insult it and plot to destroy it. But they still like to collect their benefits for bashing out more little 'Britons'.

Well I'd disagree with paying them as much as that article suggested but you give them the money to at least be able to live for one simple reason - they're human and so are entitled to the basic human rights. Should he have been imprisoned? Definitely, but you can't really imprison all their children.

Except there's a clear biological difference (different fucking species) between a tomato and a potato - not so between Hamza's kids and other British people. Nationality is pretty much just down to where you were born, with an influence from your parent's nationalities. Cultural identity can be a lot different, for instance I doubt Hamza's kids see themselves as culturally British, but you can't really deport based on what nationality someone "feels like".

So - in this case, the kids should be punished because their dad was a hate-filled, moronic prick? Doesn't really work like that - you can't exactly punish people for what their relative has done unless they played a part (e.g. a parent hiding their child from the law if they were a fugitive). Likewise imprisonment - doesn't work like that.

[acooling08]

Oh my word. Do you know how much was spent on legal costs, and how much on benefits?

Do you know how much more would have been spent if we had capital punishment? Ill give you a clue, this is the tip of the iceberg.

I wish I lived in acooling08's world. Life would be so much simpler.

The death penalty doesn't have to be a long process of keeping inmates on deathrow and going through appeal attempts.

I'd have 1 trial. If found guilty, the defendant can have 1 appeal maximum. If found guilty again, they would be executed within a few days. How much does a lethal injection cost?

You should join my world Lisa, it's harsh but fair, and every decent citizen would have better services and more money in their pockets, at the expense of people like Hamza.

@LargeAl: I agree with what you say about his children. I was just ranting earlier on.

On the subject of his benefits - I disagree entirely. The moment he preaches about destroying Britain and brainwashing young muslims to do so, he should be stripped of his rights to welfare.

In general I'd love to see the welfare system overhauled, so it's more of a 'take what you put in' system. That way, OAPs who paid taxes all their lives won't end up sitting in their own shit in abject poverty, and immigrants like Hamza can't take out anything (let alone millions) whilst never working a day in his life.

Edited 5 October 2012 by acooling08

[acooling08]

For the record, my husband would be sent to Wales.

I quite like acooling08's thinking...

Not if he hasn't done anything wrong... if he were to commit a serious crime then perhaps.

[Knightonian]

The death penalty doesn't have to be a long process of keeping inmates on deathrow and going through appeal attempts.

I'd have 1 trial. If found guilty, the defendant can have 1 appeal maximum. If found guilty again, they would be executed within a few days. How much does a lethal injection cost?

You should join my world Lisa, it's harsh but fair, and every decent citizen would have better services and more money in their pockets, at the expense of people like Hamza.

@LargeAl: I agree with what you say about his children. I was just ranting earlier on.

On the subject of his benefits - I disagree entirely. The moment he preaches about destroying Britain and brainwashing young muslims to do so, he should be stripped of his rights to welfare.

In general I'd love to see the welfare system overhauled, so it's more of a 'take what you put in' system. That way, OAPs who paid taxes all their lives won't end up sitting in their own shit in abject poverty, and immigrants like Hamza can't take out anything (let alone millions) whilst never working a day in his life.

Acooling. I don't think anyone on here is arguing that criminals shouldn't be locked up and I agree with you that I don't understand why those who would rather live in a sharia law country would not want to actually live in one of those countries. However, you are going vastly over the top. Whatever cants some of these people are (and I don't agree with them) most muslems are British subjects who are entitled to British law. You know Brown people are still capable (and the vast majority are law abidding totally ordinary roast beef eating British) of being British citizens right? There is no conspiracy. There is no plan by the government to impliment sharia law. Please read less Daily 'hate' Mail and a few more intellectual internet bloggs. For everyone sake....

[The Doctor]

@LargeAl: I agree with what you say about his children. I was just ranting earlier on.

On the subject of his benefits - I disagree entirely. The moment he preaches about destroying Britain and brainwashing young muslims to do so, he should be stripped of his rights to welfare.

In general I'd love to see the welfare system overhauled, so it's more of a 'take what you put in' system. That way, OAPs who paid taxes all their lives won't end up sitting in their own shit in abject poverty, and immigrants like Hamza can't take out anything (let alone millions) whilst never working a day in his life.

While I sort of agree with the comments about OAP's (assuming that I've inferred correctly that you find it disgusting), and agree the welfare system is in somewhat of a mess, this idea of a "take what you put in" system doesn't really work - the whole point of the welfare system is as a temporary safety net for those who require assistance, you put on that sort of limitation, preventing anyone from taking that help unless they've already put it in and you pretty much distort the purpose of a welfare system beyond all recognition.

[Guest Bilo]

Dear oh dear, I went on a pub crawl last night and came back to this thread this morning.

There's too much idiocy here.

Here's the first thing. Abu Hamza's kids are British. They may not identify with Britain thanks to their idiot father, but they are as British as you and I. They did not ask to be brainwashed, poisoned and lied to their whole lives. Captain Hook did that of his own volition.

What could well happen is that his children turn their back on their father's vile teachings and become decent, functioning members of our society. I find it offensive that you're as good as ruling this out as a possibility. I'm sure his children are perfectly capable of making their own decisions as they become adults.

Do you not think that you're overestimating the power of Abu Hamza's teaching when you insist that they will never turn their back on extreme Islamism, a fundamentally flawed ideology if ever there was one? Hamza is a meatheaded thug. He's not a scholar of Islam whose arguments are watertight; he's the Islamist equivalent of a right-wing, racist pub bore. Would you assume that kids brought up by a right-wing, racist pub bore could never vote for anyone other than the BNP as they grow up? Surely you'd think that they could grow up smarter and less ignorant than their father, given the right education and life experience.

I'm happy to assume the same is possible of Hamza's brood.

[Finnegan]

Just because someone falls out of a vagina in Britain doesn't make them British.

That's like saying a tomato grown in a potato field is therefore a potato.

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Best. Post. Ever.

[Zingari]

Dear oh dear, I went on a pub crawl last night and came back to this thread this morning.

There's too much idiocy here.

Here's the first thing. Abu Hamza's kids are British. They may not identify with Britain thanks to their idiot father, but they are as British as you and I. They did not ask to be brainwashed, poisoned and lied to their whole lives. Captain Hook did that of his own volition.

What could well happen is that his children turn their back on their father's vile teachings and become decent, functioning members of our society. I find it offensive that you're as good as ruling this out as a possibility. I'm sure his children are perfectly capable of making their own decisions as they become adults.

Do you not think that you're overestimating the power of Abu Hamza's teaching when you insist that they will never turn their back on extreme Islamism, a fundamentally flawed ideology if ever there was one? Hamza is a meatheaded thug. He's not a scholar of Islam whose arguments are watertight; he's the Islamist equivalent of a right-wing, racist pub bore. Would you assume that kids brought up by a right-wing, racist pub bore could never vote for anyone other than the BNP as they grow up? Surely you'd think that they could grow up smarter and less ignorant than their father, given the right education and life experience.

I'm happy to assume the same is possible of Hamza's brood.

These "children" are grown up and seem to spend most of their lives in and out of prison for armed robbery, fraud etc

That's not to say they aren't British though

[Daggers]

This is my opinion on nationality:

Just because someone falls out of a vagina in Britain doesn't make them British.

That's like saying a tomato grown in a potato field is therefore a potato.

The person should be sent to their, or their parents, country of origin. If this is not possible then you can't just send them anywhere, you'd have to inprison them in the UK.

People like Hamza don't see themselves as British. Hell, they insult it and plot to destroy it. But they still like to collect their benefits for bashing out more little 'Britons'.

Jesus.

Fvcking.

H.

Christ.

On.

A.

Bike.

This child appears to have tapped the fabled bottomless pit of ignorance. If only we could fathom a method of converting it into something other than a pile of shit we'd be made.

[Jon the Hat]

Jesus.

Fvcking.

H.

Christ.

On.

A.

Bike.

This child appears to have tapped the fabled bottomless pit of ignorance. If only we could fathom a method of converting it into something other than a pile of shit we'd be made.

I reckon there has to be an infinite source of energy here. Got to he as good a bet as that wind turbine shite anyway.

[I am Rod Hull]

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Best. Post. Ever.

I`v been looking for a new sig

[Nick]

Even if you don't execute them, why spend so much precious money on benefits for clearly some of the least deserving people around? Give them nothing and spend it on every under-funded thing in this country (which is most things).

This is my opinion on nationality:

Just because someone falls out of a vagina in Britain doesn't make them British.

That's like saying a tomato grown in a potato field is therefore a potato.

The person should be sent to their, or their parents, country of origin. If this is not possible then you can't just send them anywhere, you'd have to inprison them in the UK.

People like Hamza don't see themselves as British. Hell, they insult it and plot to destroy it. But they still like to collect their benefits for bashing out more little 'Britons'.

Any more of this and you'll be a topic in this thread rather than just a contributor.

[oakman]

The 6 Forest fans travelling on the train from Peterborough after Saturdays game. Racist football songs, swearing, smoking, throwing food and beer etc.. Considering there was an old couple sat infront of them and kids in the carriage, I was pretty appalled by their behaviour. I did catch one of their names, is it worth reporting to anyone? I'd be surprised if the club were interested.

[purpleronnie]

The 6 Forest fans travelling on the train from Peterborough after Saturdays game. Racist football songs, swearing, smoking, throwing food and beer etc.. Considering there was an old couple sat infront of them and kids in the carriage, I was pretty appalled by their behaviour. I did catch one of their names, is it worth reporting to anyone? I'd be surprised if the club were interested.

no.

[Nick]

The EDL:

http://tyneandwear.sky.com/news/article/42302

[21st Century Fox]

The EDL:

http://tyneandwear.s...s/article/42302

I wonder how many of those protesting the oppression of women read The Sun.