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Ross-Kemp

Pre-Qualifying

By Ross-Kemp, in General Football and Sport

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davieG

davieG

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Pre-qualifying would give thme games and surely their economy would benefit if the games were suitable for playing in their own country?
Well they would play, just against teams of similar level. And I'm not sure how much it helps their economy when Andorra are having to play their matches in a different country.

Great minds and all that :thumbup:

Corky

Corky

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Pre-qualifying would give thme games and surely their economy would benefit if the games were suitable for playing in their own country?

That would be a better idea, they'd have a much better chance of winning and enjoying their football. As much as it must be great to play against the top nations, getting battered can't be fun. We can arrange friendlies against these nations, so they don't lose out and don't lose heart from looking at a qualification table and seeing themselves on 0 points and a -40 goal difference.

dandannieldanok

dandannieldanok

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Well they would play, just against teams of similar level. And I'm not sure how much it helps their economy when Andorra are playing their matches in a different country.

I'm not sure playing similar teams only would work, it would be like creating the JPT trophy at international level. I'm sure if you asked the players and the head of the FA they'd rather continue with normal qualifiers.

Also, they only play in a different country against us because of our massive support, each of their Euro qualifiers, even against the bigger nations such as Croatia and Russia were played in Andorra.

Brainy

Brainy

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Against Germany, Holland, Italy, Spain they normally lose 7-0 or scores like this. It can't be good or healthy.

Doesn't bother me if we can't beat teams like Andorra 7-0. Spain were 0-0 at home to Bosnia at HT, France lost away at Austria 3-1. Italy scored in injury time to beat Cyprus 2-1.

I'd rather we save our goals for the games against countries like Germany and Holland, instead of sticking them past some part-timers and still get criticised for not scoring enough.

JakeShingler

JakeShingler

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First of all comparing a country with 1.3 billion people to a country with 60 million people is not the same as comparing a country of 60 million people to a country with 71,000 people.

Second the national sport of China is table tennis.

I can go on but surely you see the point.

Yes true but surely Andoras national sport is not Football?

James.

James.

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I'm not sure playing similar teams only would work, it would be like creating the JPT trophy at international level. I'm sure if you asked the players and the head of the FA they'd rather continue with normal qualifiers.

Considering the prize is a shot at qualifying for the World Cup it's not really anything like the JPT. You win the JPT you get a trophy, you win the pre-qualifying you go on to the next stage.

And to be honest it's not about what the players want, it's about what's best for football as a whole. There's absolutely nothing to gain for Andorra by playing England. In pre-qualifying the teams would have a realistic chance of success and as such it would breed more competitive games and encourage football as opposed to what we saw this evening.

From an economical point of view you could always argue that they would play more games - pre-qualifying and qualifying, thereby giving an even greater incentive to win in pre-qualifying.

lildave3

lildave3

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It's curling.

Oi. You. I want a word with you.

I got wolf whistled at leaving your ruffian neighbourhood.

Me! Honestly, what is this world coming to.

In other news, just who are those females hanging outside your house and are they there every week?

dandannieldanok

dandannieldanok

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That would be a better idea, they'd have a much better chance of winning and enjoying their football. As much as it must be great to play against the top nations, getting battered can't be fun. We can arrange friendlies against these nations, so they don't lose out and don't lose heart from looking at a qualification table and seeing themselves on 0 points and a -40 goal difference.

I'm sorry but I just don't buy into this belief that losing all these games is disheartening enough to not want to play them anymore. I bet the Andorran players had a right ball lining up against our "superstars", I firmly believe they'd want to play more games against the big teams than the other minnows that they could actually beat. And also, I very much doubt anyone would want to arrange a friendly against these nations because they are actually a pain in the arse to play because of their gameplan, which for me makes it worthwhile having them in the competition.

Joe.

Joe.

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Oi. You. I want a word with you.

I got wolf whistled at leaving your ruffian neighbourhood.

Me! Honestly, what is this world coming to.

In other news, just who are those females hanging outside your house and are they there every week?

I have no idea. How old were they?

dandannieldanok

dandannieldanok

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And to be honest it's not about what the players want, it's about what's best for football as a whole. There's absolutely nothing to gain for Andorra by playing England. In pre-qualifying the teams would have a realistic chance of success and as such it would breed more competitive games and encourage football as opposed to what we saw this evening.

But the only reason I've seen anyone come up with to advocate pre-qualifying is the building of confidence of these nations and their players, so technically it is an issue of what the players want. I don't see why having these teams in qualifying is harming "football as a whole". The likes of Andorra have just as much right as an independent nation as England to compete and arguably more of a right because of the whole Team GB argument.

Manwell Pablo

Manwell Pablo

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Surely not the best time to bring this up seeing as England only beat them 2-0. lol We beat a decent Hartlepool side 3-0 with a virtual second string.

I'm with Fez on this one, we were so inept tonight Andorra could realistically have got something from the game, we hardly created anything, they kept us quiet for most of it. Hardly the night to be looking down on them branding them shit and calling for them to stuffed into a pre qualifying tournament.

They didn't do too badly against Russia in their last competitive game either.

davieG

davieG

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I'm with Fez on this one, we were so inept tonight Andorra could realistically have got something from the game, we hardly created anything, they kept us quiet for most of it. Hardly the night to be looking down on them branding them shit and calling for them to stuffed into a pre qualifying tournament.

They didn't do too badly against Russia in their last competitive game either.

I thought we were talking about England.

Rodderz

Rodderz

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Yeh i was also listening to five live after the game

im unsure on this topic i mean if it was not for teams like andora in our group and we had a bigger team in our group

it would just make out task even harder, would'nt it :rolleyes:

shen

shen

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I'd like pre-qualifying for the reasons already mentioned and for the fact that it meant less "pointless" internationals.

Brainy

Brainy

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i mean if it was not for teams like andora in our group and we had a bigger team in our group

it would just make out task even harder, would'nt it :rolleyes:

Well i'll be worried if we need teams like Andorra in a group just so we can stand any chance of qualifying.

And if we can't beat them 'bigger' teams then we dont deserve to be there.

Guest

Guest

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I'm not sure playing similar teams only would work, it would be like creating the JPT trophy at international level. I'm sure if you asked the players and the head of the FA they'd rather continue with normal qualifiers.

That's a great concept, perhaps we could bring it into domestic competitions too. Rather than having pre-qualifying for the FA cup, let's stick every club in the country into the hat, and dispense with the league system to accommodate the extra games.

dandannieldanok

dandannieldanok

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I'd love someone to actually try and tell me how this pre-qualifying would work: how many teams would be in it, how would they be decided, when the games would be played, how many teams would progress through to main qualifying.......e.t.c.

Alexikokopops

Alexikokopops

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I'm with Fez on this one, we were so inept tonight Andorra could realistically have got something from the game, we hardly created anything, they kept us quiet for most of it. Hardly the night to be looking down on them branding them shit and calling for them to stuffed into a pre qualifying tournament.

They didn't do too badly against Russia in their last competitive game either.

Ok, we were shit, but there was absolutely no chance of Andorra getting anything. Nothing at all. I'm the first to abuse our national team but even with how shit we were playing they did absolutely nothing. Did they have a shot? Ok, so there was a slim chance of them getting a draw, but they were never going to score. Their top scorer ever has four goals and is a defender (the chap who played last night who's actually retired from club football). They've only managed to score two goals in a match once and they've only ever won one competetive game in twelve years. In the World Cup qualifiers they tried to foul their way to damage limitation.

San Marino were beaten 13-0 and Andorra were beaten 7-0 by Croatia in the World Cup qualifiers. It's not that ridiculous to look into the idea of a pre-qualifying tournament

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