BNP membership list leaked online

[LeeCovFox]

So your not proud to be a westerner then? just asking cause it seems to me you sympathise with these people.

Even make it sound ok that they do this?

Would you rather live under muslim rule?

cause thats what it'd be, dictatorship?

make your 4 wives wear a burka?

cut your hand off for thieving, (although thats not a bad thing)

slap your misses for showing any sense of intelligence?

I'll keep my western ideologies thanks.

Cant sympathise with them never will, its rammed down my throat too much and i have my own mind thanks.

How can you even say that, like the hatred wasn't there before?

It again goes back centuries into religion and our ways are better than yours. Whereas a lot of good people are trying to understand that the East will not rest till they rule the world.

I do not understand why anybody would want to fly planes into buildings, but I can see why history has made them so angry. Invading Iraq, for example, was in my eyes no less a terrorist attack than that of 9/11. Am I poud to be a Westerner? It is far too much of a generic term. I am proud of myself, my family, and my friends, and of some of the history of this country. But for all of those mentioned, I can feel shame when they do wrong, and attack them for doing so. Just because somebody is not Western, does not make them less peaceful or civilised. You cannot just lump people from Western nations into one group. We have totally different histories and cultural values to those of Germany and France for example, and have fought many a war with both historically, yet they are now seen as being the same as us. The deeper I look into this debate, the more difficult I find it not to suspect a nagging prejudice against those of a different skin colour or religion in your argument.

[jonno24]

Are you saying that someone can't act in an unbiased way in their professional life but be biased privately. Cos I just don't believe it.

And what you don't seem to understand is that society has changed dramatically for some people.

While young people have grown up in multi-cultural Britain and been bombarded with edicts about equality as part of their education, older people grew up in a predominently white Britain.

My father never said one word that I can remember about Germans. But when he came home from the War in Holland he never once wanted to set foot on foreign soil again...and he never did.

He never spoke of or to a German for the rest of his time either. I don't know if he became racist. He was such a Christian person that I'd doubt it. But what if he was? What if he hated Germans? What if he seen those people do things he never felt able or willing to describe?.

I wonder how racist some of you smug-sounding theorists would be if you'd seen your pals with their legs shot off or their entrails spilling out onto the muddy floor of some trench. Day after day.

So what would you do about all those guys returning from five year bloodbath who perhaps didn't want to sing the praises of all things foreign. Give their jobs to Romanians and sack our soldiers for their unforgiveably anti-social standpoint.

Get real fella. Racism has and will always exist and will be expressed or supressed according to the circumstances of the day. And it is as relevent now as ever.

I sold a ring to an 18-year-old who had not long returned from Afghanistan the other day. The ring had to go on his left hand cos the right hand was shattered. It shattered cos the faulty weapon he'd kindly been supplied with by the shits who serve for our government exploded as he tried to fire it.

He felt no real bitterness about that. Cos all his bitterness concerned the kids of his unit who hadn't come back, whose bodies or lives were ended or left in pieces by the viciousness of that pointless and endless conflict.

Are you saying now that he shouldn't be a policeman, a teacher, a fireman or a medic if deep down he hated Afghans or even Arabs in general?

Are you saying that not just his hand but his working life should be fecked just because he had different feelings to yours?

Cos I'd say his life's experience might well hold him in good stead for all of those jobs.

And so long as he kept his prejudices to himself and just got on with his job and rebuilding his life what's the big deal? Lots of surgeons try to cure people they probably can't stand the sights of.

And if our authorities ever develop a mental monitoring system they could probably justify sacking everyone on a given day - either for a racist thought, an inappropriate thought, a sudden surge of hatred for the boss or a colleague or whatever.

Racial harmony won't come about by sacking people and making them hate even deeper.

It will come about through the opportunity to exchange views, to play sports together, and to develop understanding through friendship and communication.

It comes about by a gradual building of mutual respect. It comes from sitting in a pub with someone like Singhy and liking the guy's company or from building trust with people of all races on a market stall. People who are as wary or you as you might be of them at first.

Harmony will come with more of that and less of the fecking warfare.

And certainly not through the social manipulating of some political theorists who've never put themselves in a position where they're likely to feel hatred.

[Bazaldo]

It's good you have an opinion, that's what it's all about and I don't think anyone on here in their right mind would rather you didn't, they might not agree but that's life. The problem is you generalise about a race in its entirety. Yes there are people that believe terrorist acts will result in a better life for them, but you write as if that's the view of every muslim that enters our country. Unfortunately that's exactly what the BNP does and reflects what I've said above about there being no inbetween. I don't think the current government does enough, but that's not to say kicking everyone out with a non-uk ancestor is the answer. It's all about contribution for me, but the BNP will look merely at skin colour and not whether they offer our country anything.

Hey sorry to come across as if i generalise in that manner, dont mean to, but there are fanatical groups in this country who we should be very aware of. The point im saying is that if we weren't so soft then we wouldn't be in this situation. Also those people stuck in the middle (like the should i vote tory or labour this time people) are gonna get swept along in this fanatical "we're so hard done to nature" that the muslim people think all the time. You always hear how hard done to they think they are. Im mates with quite a few muslims and their view on British people is quite astonishing. Hardly any consider themselves British. Not one cheers for our nation in any sport but they have been born here and live here. I agree that the BNP are far too right wing and the extreme. But we as a nation should be doing more to make sure that future generations know their identity and that they are British. Regardless of skin colour.

[Bazaldo]

I do not understand why anybody would want to fly planes into buildings, but I can see why history has made them so angry. Invading Iraq, for example, was in my eyes no less a terrorist attack than that of 9/11. Am I poud to be a Westerner? It is far too much of a generic term. I am proud of myself, my family, and my friends, and of some of the history of this country. But for all of those mentioned, I can feel shame when they do wrong, and attack them for doing so. Just because somebody is not Western, does not make them less peaceful or civilised. You cannot just lump people from Western nations into one group. We have totally different histories and cultural values to those of Germany and France for example, and have fought many a war with both historically, yet they are now seen as being the same as us. The deeper I look into this debate, the more difficult I find it not to suspect a nagging prejudice against those of a different skin colour or religion in your argument.

I have no trouble whatsoever in skin colour my friend, i have worked with more blacks, asians, muslims than you prob ever will. So i do have an understanding on how the different religions work.

Hindu, sikh, muslim, punjabi, christian, catholic. GNG also sikh, good football team, well used to have dunno how they are doing now. But like i pointed out earlier we are in troubled times and i just think as a nation we should pull together. All people.

I read on here a while ago about some kid whos dad refereed a match and there was the old silence for rememberance day.

Well one of the teams was of a certain religion and they refused to do it.

How dispicable is that??

They were kids so what are they being taught?

Whats it say for our future.

[jonno24]

No it wasn't.

History is very open to interpretation. You may know of historical events, but this alone doesn't equate to an understanding of history, only the ability to interpret it within the parameters of your own beliefs.

'He who doesnt know history is destined to repeat it' famous quote from someone who i cant name

never a truer word said

[LeeCovFox]

'He who doesnt know history is destined to repeat it' famous quote from someone who i cant name

never a truer word said

QUICK, LETS INVADE GERMANY! IF HISTORY IS ANYTHING TO GO BY THEY WILL SOON ELECT A FACIST TYRANT AND DECLARE WAR ON MUCH OF EUROPE!

The phrashe which you have cited does indeed have a strong element of truth. But historical events are the only part of history which are solid fact. They happened. What caused them and their consequences are matters which are always open to interpretation.

[jonno24]

QUICK, LETS INVADE GERMANY! IF HISTORY IS ANYTHING TO GO BY THEY WILL SOON ELECT A FACIST TYRANT AND DECLARE WAR ON MUCH OF EUROPE!

The phrashe which you have cited does indeed have a strong element of truth. But historical events are the only part of history which are solid fact. They happened. What caused them and their consequences are matters which are always open to interpretation.

true v good point there

makes a change to have an adult conversation with someone thats not about someone who may or may not be a paedophile

[Shrenchel]

This things just going round in circles now. fook it.

At the end of the day Gordon Brown's doing more to stem immigration into this country than Nick Griffin will do in his entire life. If he keeps slashing interest rates like its goin outta fashion and the pound keeps falling the way it is, then we'll be the least attractive option in Western Europe for anyone looking to make a bit of cash to send back home to their families.

[shen]

It's good you have an opinion, that's what it's all about and I don't think anyone on here in their right mind would rather you didn't, they might not agree but that's life. The problem is you generalise about a race in its entirety. Yes there are people that believe terrorist acts will result in a better life for them, but you write as if that's the view of every muslim that enters our country. Unfortunately that's exactly what the BNP does and reflects what I've said above about there being no inbetween. I don't think the current government does enough, but that's not to say kicking everyone out with a non-uk ancestor is the answer. It's all about contribution for me, but the BNP will look merely at skin colour and not whether they offer our country anything.

You're absolutely right about some not agreeing with him. However, I will choose to put that down to naivety rather than to narrow-mindedness.

In many ways I agree with you about contribution, although that is a difficult thing to measure!! A little ethical question: Do you think such measures should be confined to people of non-UK origin/heritage?

[FantasticMrFuchs]

Well this thread has more than helped pass my night shift at work away so thanks

I can see both sides of the argument and really dont wanna get caught up in this BUT....

BNP = bad men who are racists at heart theres no doubt about it

LABOUR,TORRIES,CONS ECT = bad men who are just as equally as bad but in diffrent forms

Imagration = yes the numbers that have applied have gone down,yet doesnt that mean that most are already here and the only reason its gone down IS becaue the country's at bursting point?

Imagration = as said before diffrent when our 18-30's travel the world to abuse alcohol,drugs & locals to that country,also if it wasnt for imagrants you wouldnt have your Take-aways,taxis,vegtables ect ect ect if it wasnt due to some poor S**te having to work all hours 7 days a week.

You see what im tryin to get at is regradless wheather you follow BNP or Labour or even the monster raving looney party there are dark nasty sides to these that often dont get published. BNP will never ever get into power in this country FACT People look at this country and highlight where they think the country is failling be it the NHS,War on afghan/iraq,police,imagration,meadia,capitalism whatever,so with supporters for the labour party leaving quicker than the last 10mins at the walkers its only natural that folk will look elsewhere to air there political standings and for many the main party that relates to these people is the BNP as they have nowhere else to turn,the labour party used to be for the "working class" and in some ways have turned there back on them now So where do these supporters go??

They (the BNP)do highlight some very valid opinions with regards to the state of this country be it right or wrong,they are valid which people do agree with,yet with reading some of the posts and comments even those stating they are Anti-BNP there views and judgements are no better than the Pro-BNP

You are judging someone on there political views which in my eyes is no diffrent than judging someone due to a disablilitie,race,age,weight. If you are so open minded then surley you must accept that this is what they belive in.....OH STEVE HOWARDS STILL FOOOOOKING SHITE LMAO

excuse the spelling errors the checker isnt working & being educated under the labour party didnt work for me...only joking

[Raj]

What list?

[Thracian]

Thracian, although I agree with many of your points, it's not only the natives that are getting worried about the 'over populated' Britian but the plus third generation immigrant community aswell. In a recession the job market is tough, our infrastructure (schools, hospitals etc) are over run etc but for me it's an issue the government has caused. It has failed to address the problem of getting the unemployed back to work, hence the requirement of manpower was essentially required.

You clump all immigrants together and go on about the 60's, but there is a great disparity between them, certain groups have faught for Britian in the last two world wars, certain groups have actually contributed MORE to British society, interms of jobs, wealth prosperity etc then recieved, so it would be quite wrong to be pointing fingers at those, and I think those groups would find it disgusting that you disregard there contributions to british society and make them a 'scape goat' for the natives hard commings!! You also forget, the immigrant doctors, nurses, surgeons who make a massive contributions!!

Unless, your can determine and assign which immigrant groups, you are particularly talking about, you will annoy this proud British Sikh!!!!

Well let's clear one or two things up then.

1) I don't believe in ending immigration completely. I believe immigration should be much more strictly controlled and limited to the sort of numbers that our infrastructure can properly cope with. It should be balanced according to sustainable population numbers and linked to the number of people moving out. For everyone's sake, natives and settlers.

2) No-one is more appreciative than me of "foreign" servicemen who have fought for this country and their families. The Gurkha question was never a question to me and my attitude would be the same for anyone who had fought faithfully on our behalf, barring special circumstances like the committing of serious crime at any time. Nor do I in any way disregard or undervalue the massive contribution made by settlers to this nation's social, economic and cultural welfare whether they be surgeons, street cleaners or anything else.

3) Some 60% of my business involves non native customers and I'm well aware that they are as concerned and affected by the current economic and social pressures as everyone else, because they tell me. Limiting immigration would be as much for their benefit as for anyone else. It is no use Gordon Brown pinching more and more money off people in council tax, stealth tax and so on and then overseeing a situation where they're either losing their jobs and having to find another if they can or they're having to take lower wages. His unfair and uninspired leadership disgusts me at times.

4) Positive discrimination has to end. It is unfair, patronising and is a greater source of bitterness, resentment and disharmony than anything I know. I have many foreign friends and acquaintances - including yourself I hope - and not one of them wants or needs any special favours. You only get true equality in a society when people are treated equally. I have no doubt that foreigners weren't always treated equally or fairly in our land and still aren't in many countries - to people's eternal shame - but I am equally sure the scales have been violently tipped the other way in England and that both ways are wrong. Totally wrong. If jobs and opportunities are to be created they should be created for everyone.

I hope that helps. I could go on all night and I'd doubt anyone would thank me for that.

But if you want to ask any questions I'll be happy to answer them.

[Bazaldo]

Final post on this promise

i cant stand BNP, have no sympathy with what its members get as from now.

I hope everyone gets along and terror acts weren't commited.

We do have a great country to be proud of and the good majority of this country are working to keep it as such.

Im an argumentative person who loves a good debate.

Sometimes writing is harder to express in words on a computer screen and getting a point across is difficult.

So to be more argumentative

I think STEEVIE HOWARD is brill!!!

[shen]

1) I don't believe in ending immigration completely. I believe immigration should be much more strictly controlled and limited to the sort of numbers that our infrastructure can properly cope with. It should be balanced according to sustainable population numbers and linked to the number of people moving out. For everyone's sake, natives and settlers.

What exactly do you mean by 'sustainable'? I'm asking because it's used as a buzzword that in most cases doesn't make sense.

[Benji]

You're absolutely right about some not agreeing with him. However, I will choose to put that down to naivety rather than to narrow-mindedness.

In many ways I agree with you about contribution, although that is a difficult thing to measure!! A little ethical question: Do you think such measures should be confined to people of non-UK origin/heritage?

A little ethical question that could go a long way .

I agree contribution would be very hard to measure and would not need some stringent set of rules that would unjustifiably not include those that do make a contribution just not in the definition of the government. Although I think it would be quite easy to make a minimum standard and work from there, basically targetting the ''worst'', whoever they might be.

With regards to the ethical question, the measures should not be confined no, but I think you'd have to have different 'punishments' for want of a better word. You could never be justified in deporting a British citizen of 20 generations in the UK as if they were an immigrant of 6 months. Instead you would have to look at things like cutting their funding or something after a reasonable period. One of my friends from Luxembourg can't believe how our benefits system works, over there they get I think a year to sort themselves out, then it's cut completely. I remember on question time a few months ago some woman was on the lowest pay possible, paying tax and ending up with less than someone on support, so were is the encouragement to go ''contribute'' in the primary sense? I guess at the moment with unemployment being so high it would be hard for the Government to sort out with people cutting jobs left right and centre... but they had their chance in the good times.

But this could go on forever!

[Daggers]

What list?

More surprisingly, how did you get on it?

[Floating Fox]

Anyone hear about the car being petrol bombed in connection with this?

Quality :laugh:

[Head Honcho]

Anyone hear about the car being petrol bombed in connection with this?

Quality :laugh:

What's so funny?

[Floating Fox]

What's so funny?

The fact that someone got it completly wrong and torched someones car that had no connection to the BNP what-so-ever...

Unlucky on the guy who it happened to, but at least it'll make member of the BNP shit themselves. No wonder Nick Griffin has so many bodyguards.

[Head Honcho]

The fact that someone got it completly wrong and torched someones car that had no connection to the BNP what-so-ever...

Unlucky on the guy who it happened to, but at least it'll make member of the BNP shit themselves. No wonder Nick Griffin has so many bodyguards.

Not exactly funny though is it?

One things for sure. If BNP members start being targeted like this then retribution will be swift!

[Zingari]

Not exactly funny though is it?

One things for sure. If BNP members start being targeted like this then retribution will be swift!

sadly i think you may be right ,

regardless of what the happy clappy hippies would have us believe , we are sitting on a tinderbox of a society and it could just be the spark

[Floating Fox]

Not exactly funny though is it?

One things for sure. If BNP members start being targeted like this then retribution will be swift!

I find it funny....How anyone could vote for the BNP is quite beyond me.

I'd say they derseve it, but they aren't worth the effort really.

[Zingari]

I find it funny....How anyone could vote for the BNP is quite beyond me.

I'd say they derseve it, but they aren't worth the effort really.

Please explain the joke

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/c...icle5204727.ece

[jonno24]

I find it funny....How anyone could vote for the BNP is quite beyond me.

I'd say they derseve it, but they aren't worth the effort really.

Oh dear yet another narrow minded idiot who thinks that everyone who has voted for thw bnp is an idiot

And to find the fact someone has had their car torched funny well that just further shows your stupidity

[Guest]

What a job they have to get in too, they have to prove they can work, they have a benefit to the country they are going to etc etc

Us on the otherhand except any old tom,dick n 'arry.

Summer jobs dont surely come into it im on about the lifers.

Fair play to people who come n work for the summer but deep down they know where their heart is at and go back home when they've grown up.

I for one am quite happy here just have a few concerns for my children and my childrens children.

Worked all my life n never claimed a penny, whereas (and see im agreeing here) some lazy arsed brits should get off their fat idle arses and go get work.

It'd make these mp's think about why we need immigrants to fill these labourious jobs that these poor countries people come here for.

Why is it our proplem that an African Country has a civil war and we're flooded with their problem????

When the prime minister, which has been overthrown for the billionth time, sits in virtual luxury.

Why why why are we so soft?

We should do more to keep the people in that country rather than have them sitting on our doorstep takin the pi**.

And so should other Countries. Not just us.

Its a world problem and we are taking it into our own hands to help them out. It just wont work

Don't you think that the international community is already trying to prevent situations that require people to seek refuge elsewhere?

We aren't being soft in giving asylum, and the thing is, it isn't permanent. These people can be sent back.

The other thing is, they don't come in and have everything handed to them on a plate. You never did come back with how much benefit they get. Most are not entitled to benefits, and if they are, they are only entitled to 70%. Once a decision on their status is made, their entitlement ends, as they either become eligible to look for work, or they are awaiting deportation.

Migrant workers are not entitled to any benefits until they have contributed to the system for so long.

I appreciate that there is fraud that goes on, but this is not an immigration issue; it's a criminal issue. It has to be dealt with through the appropriate channels, and there are plenty more Brits screwing the system.

Happy with my life and happy the way i am, just uncertain by the future.

When two muslim sisters claim £10 mil i know we're in a fooked up country.

Army boys get £100's for losing limbs

Magic.

Imagine two white sisters getting that???

Nah didn't think so

Thats why the future is grim

Those sisters got that settlement as potential loss of earnings (they were on a 6 figure salary). Any white, British female just as poorly treated would have received a similar payout.

I also wanted to say, I've seen you making digs about not being allowed to have an opinion. Nobody has said you can't have an opinion, but you have to expect to have that opinion challenged, as I am having mine challenged on this thread. It's good to be able to back up your opinion though, and I do love an argument.

I would like to add by the way, that I do not subscribe to the view that the BNP should be banned. I think their policies are unacceptable and abhorrent, but banning the tossers would only drive them underground. 'Keep your friends close and your enemies closer' is the saying I believe. I want these scumbags right where we can see them, so that the general public can see them for what they are. There is a certain irony in attempting to defeat facist organisations by banning them.

I think it's a useful check to be able to see the diatribe they come out with. I'd rather it was out there for us to see, and not hidden away.