Finnegan Posted 11 March 2009 Posted 11 March 2009 Given the choice of either 2 I would go home to my family & friends and have an enjoyable life.Politicians are all liers & wankers who will screw anyone over for their own personal / or groups gain Maybe to try to find good in either group is as stupid as comparing them. Anyway I am sure we have better things than to discuss the little merits of either group. Fair enough.
stez Posted 11 March 2009 Posted 11 March 2009 maybe we should have a big ruck at the next FT gathering to decide whether we've all got to be racist or not, as a group.
BoneDog Posted 11 March 2009 Posted 11 March 2009 Anti-facsists are much better than fascists. There are only a few anti-fascists who do stupid things and they are probably agents of some sort put there to discredit the groups. It happens
Raj Posted 11 March 2009 Posted 11 March 2009 maybe we should have a big ruck at the next FT gathering to decide whether we've all got to be racist or not, as a group. Blacks V Whites??
stez Posted 11 March 2009 Posted 11 March 2009 Blacks V Whites?? no way! everyone knows y'blacks are better at boxing and that.....
Guest Bilo Posted 11 March 2009 Posted 11 March 2009 I am officially a Grammar Nazi. Does that help anyone?
Finnegan Posted 11 March 2009 Posted 11 March 2009 I am officially a Grammar Nazi. Does that help anyone? What does that make Daggers and AoWW?
Guest Bilo Posted 11 March 2009 Posted 11 March 2009 What does that make Daggers and AoWW? Members of the Spelling SS perhaps? Ein Volk! Ein Reich! Ein Wörterbuch!
Kilworthfox Posted 11 March 2009 Author Posted 11 March 2009 Members of the Spelling SS perhaps? Ein Volk! Ein Reich! Ein Wörterbuch! Ein Supporter! Ein Leicester! Ein Pearson!
Raj Posted 11 March 2009 Posted 11 March 2009 no brownies or gays Thats me fcuked ...on BOTH counts!!! no way! everyone knows y'blacks are better at boxing and that..... And they have big Cocks. Kareem???
Koke Posted 11 March 2009 Posted 11 March 2009 bloody darkies, coming over here stealing our women. maybe if the thread starter could construct a sentence, he may be able to pull one of the decent birds all the black men have robbed! Just browsed through the place, and even though some of the stuff are quite scary, I giggled at this. http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=576366 I suppose the white "men" who pay every week to watch Everton are so happy about this! Bunch of fu*king MORONS! And honestly, I never knew Jack Rodwell was mixed raced. I swear he looks full white to me, but what do I know
Shrenchel Posted 12 March 2009 Posted 12 March 2009 Anyone that compares anti-facists to white supremacists is a fooking disabled. I don't agree with these boys principles in the sense that they seemed prepared to use violence, because I believe peaceful methods should be used wherever possible and seeing they're as British group and the most influential British facists have donned suits and are participating in the political process. So for me, so should they. However, people have got to understand these boys are part of the international antifa network and so reflect the international objectives which have been shaped by the fact that in many countries facists still use violence as a tool and the authorities, arguably because they sympathise with their views, do little to stop them. For example, about 14 months ago now, a 16 year old fan of the team I support here in Madrid was murdered (stabbed throught the heart, his friend stabbed through the lung but survived) by a member of the Spanish National Front when he and other antifas went to a peaceful protest against the fact that the national front were holding an anti-immigrant march in one the most densley populated immigrant areas of Madrid. The local government authorised the march despite the fact the National Front contains many hardline neo-nazis and has a history of violence at their demonstations. Carlos shouted at a National Front member (a soldier, a member of the honorary battalion of the king’s guards) for wearing a swastika and was stabbed through the heart with a machete in retaliation. His antifa friends chased down the killer but as they caught him were badly beaten by riot police for doing so. When the anti-facsists applied for a permit for a remembrance service for Carlos 2 weeks later, it was denied. So over 1,000 people had to fight their way through a barrage of riot police attacking them to get to the spot where he had been killed in order to hang a plaque in his honour. Yeah anyway, that was fooking long winded and I'm sure no one cares but the main point being I don't see how anyone can compare the two. However much these boys talk about the fact that violence may be necessary to their cause, if anyone can find me a link to a story of an anti-facist group killing a facist in peace time then I'll fooking nosh on your cock.
MPH Posted 12 March 2009 Posted 12 March 2009 I disagree. There's not a hardline, political, left-wing element in the UK - there is a scary, far-right, white-nationalist political party that becomes increasingly stronger as the Labour Party becomes increasingly weaker.I think people should take it seriously and quite frankly I'm glad there are organizations that take an active stand against racism and facism. When ANTIFA turn their violence on anyone but knuckledragging, Seig Heiling twats then I might be inclined to agree that they're "both as bad as each other." not sure if you would call them lefties or not, but the animal rights activists who have sent death threats and dug up the grave of the mother of a guy who bred guinea pigs for research are most likely all labor voters... but again, it depends on what you would define political left-wing i guess... Story i mean, thats some pretty hardline stuff in there that i havnt even heard of the BNP ( who i DONT support) doing..
Shrenchel Posted 12 March 2009 Posted 12 March 2009 not sure if you would call them lefties or not, but the animal rights activists who have sent death threats and dug up the grave of the mother of a guy who bred guinea pigs for research are most likely all labor voters...but again, it depends on what you would define political left-wing i guess... Story i mean, thats some pretty hardline stuff in there that i havnt even heard of the BNP ( who i DONT support) doing.. Different thing though isn't it. Animals rights is issue specific, it isn't a political ideology and their activists aren't necessarily left wing or in opposition with nationalists. I'm quite sure you can hate immigrants and people that put lipstick on hamsters as well.
BoneDog Posted 12 March 2009 Posted 12 March 2009 Anyone that compares anti-facists to white supremacists is a fooking disabled.I don't agree with these boys principles in the sense that they seemed prepared to use violence, because I believe peaceful methods should be used wherever possible and seeing they're as British group and the most influential British facists have donned suits and are participating in the political process. So for me, so should they. However, people have got to understand these boys are part of the international antifa network and so reflect the international objectives which have been shaped by the fact that in many countries facists still use violence as a tool and the authorities, arguably because they sympathise with their views, do little to stop them. For example, about 14 months ago now, a 16 year old fan of the team I support here in Madrid was murdered (stabbed throught the heart, his friend stabbed through the lung but survived) by a member of the Spanish National Front when he and other antifas went to a peaceful protest against the fact that the national front were holding an anti-immigrant march in one the most densley populated immigrant areas of Madrid. The local government authorised the march despite the fact the National Front contains many hardline neo-nazis and has a history of violence at their demonstations. Carlos shouted at a National Front member (a soldier, a member of the honorary battalion of the king’s guards) for wearing a swastika and was stabbed through the heart with a machete in retaliation. His antifa friends chased down the killer but as they caught him were badly beaten by riot police for doing so. When the anti-facsists applied for a permit for a remembrance service for Carlos 2 weeks later, it was denied. So over 1,000 people had to fight their way through a barrage of riot police attacking them to get to the spot where he had been killed in order to hang a plaque in his honour. Yeah anyway, that was fooking long winded and I'm sure no one cares but the main point being I don't see how anyone can compare the two. However much these boys talk about the fact that violence may be necessary to their cause, if anyone can find me a link to a story of an anti-facist group killing a facist in peace time then I'll fooking nosh on your cock. I care. I can't shut up. Oh well, loose lips an all that And I say that facts such as this occurance just show that governments in reality support these far right groups. The fact that the police and government support these marches and then the police batter anyone trying to retaliate just shows where their priorities lie. Revolution is the only way forward. The truth is we are ruled by racist bastards wherever we reside. Whatever they say does not count, their actions speak louder than their rhetoric
Dr The Singh Posted 12 March 2009 Posted 12 March 2009 I care. I can't shut up. Oh well, loose lips an all thatAnd I say that facts such as this occurance just show that governments in reality support these far right groups. The fact that the police and government support these marches and then the police batter anyone trying to retaliate just shows where their priorities lie. Revolution is the only way forward. The truth is we are ruled by racist bastards wherever we reside. Whatever they say does not count, their actions speak louder than their rhetoric Very true, although Britain is probably the least!!!
Finnegan Posted 12 March 2009 Posted 12 March 2009 Anyone that compares anti-facists to white supremacists is a fooking disabled.I don't agree with these boys principles in the sense that they seemed prepared to use violence, because I believe peaceful methods should be used wherever possible and seeing they're as British group and the most influential British facists have donned suits and are participating in the political process. So for me, so should they. However, people have got to understand these boys are part of the international antifa network and so reflect the international objectives which have been shaped by the fact that in many countries facists still use violence as a tool and the authorities, arguably because they sympathise with their views, do little to stop them. For example, about 14 months ago now, a 16 year old fan of the team I support here in Madrid was murdered (stabbed throught the heart, his friend stabbed through the lung but survived) by a member of the Spanish National Front when he and other antifas went to a peaceful protest against the fact that the national front were holding an anti-immigrant march in one the most densley populated immigrant areas of Madrid. The local government authorised the march despite the fact the National Front contains many hardline neo-nazis and has a history of violence at their demonstations. Carlos shouted at a National Front member (a soldier, a member of the honorary battalion of the king’s guards) for wearing a swastika and was stabbed through the heart with a machete in retaliation. His antifa friends chased down the killer but as they caught him were badly beaten by riot police for doing so. When the anti-facsists applied for a permit for a remembrance service for Carlos 2 weeks later, it was denied. So over 1,000 people had to fight their way through a barrage of riot police attacking them to get to the spot where he had been killed in order to hang a plaque in his honour. Yeah anyway, that was fooking long winded and I'm sure no one cares but the main point being I don't see how anyone can compare the two. However much these boys talk about the fact that violence may be necessary to their cause, if anyone can find me a link to a story of an anti-facist group killing a facist in peace time then I'll fooking nosh on your cock. I don't normally do this, but, yknow: :appl:
Webbo Posted 12 March 2009 Posted 12 March 2009 To pretend that left wing groups aren't violent is total bullshit. There are organised riots every year, most recently anti-Israeli but there have also been anti poll tax and anti-globalisation riots. Just because some people on here are sympathetic to these causes doesn't mean that they are justified.
Finnegan Posted 12 March 2009 Posted 12 March 2009 No. But we're not claiming their violence is justified, if you actually read people's posts instead of assuming it's all "talking shit" you'd know that. Both myself and Shrenchel are just saying it's a fooking long way from white supremacy to anti-fascism whichever way you choose to cut it.
Webbo Posted 12 March 2009 Posted 12 March 2009 No. But we're not claiming their violence is justified, if you actually read people's posts instead of assuming it's all "talking shit" you'd know that.Both myself and Shrenchel are just saying it's a fooking long way from white supremacy to anti-fascism whichever way you choose to cut it. I have the posts and I still think you're talking shit. What you seem to be saying is' yes they beat people up, sure they destroy property, but they mean well'. Those wankers are in it for the punch ups just much as the BNP.
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