Burglars

[Fox92]

Many burglars are unarmed. They enter properties when they know that they are empty or when they think that the occupants are asleep. They do not want confrontation, just your gadgets, cash and car keys.

If we were allowed to keep and use weapons to protect our property, how likely is it that burglars will still go about unarmed? Surely you're more likely to be stabbed in your sleep, if that was the case.

Yes, I suppose your right actually. Looking at it all three of you are right, but I do not know how to reply to three in one post

I wouldn't kill anybody, although I put it

I do not think I could ever kill anybody like most people.

But, if someone enters your home. You should be able to protect it. Not kill, but and self protect - to a certain extent.

I mean, what about if the burgular has a knive or someting, not sure what these people carry.

My mate has a knive and baseball bat at the side of his bed

In America, you are allowed to shoot them in the foot or something so they do not die arn't you?

[Guest]

Yes, I suppose your right actually. Looking at it all three of you are right, but I do not know how to reply to three in one post

I wouldn't kill anybody, although I put it

I do not think I could ever kill anybody like most people.

But, if someone enters your home. You should be able to protect it. Not kill, but and self protect - to a certain extent.

I mean, what about if the burgular has a knive or someting, not sure what these people carry.

My mate has a knive and baseball bat at the side of his bed

In America, you are allowed to shoot them in the foot or something so they do not die arn't you?

To be honest, if I found an intruder in my house, my first instinct would be to forcefully remove them.

[Thracian]

Many burglars are unarmed. They enter properties when they know that they are empty or when they think that the occupants are asleep. They do not want confrontation, just your gadgets, cash and car keys.

If we were allowed to keep and use weapons to protect our property, how likely is it that burglars will still go about unarmed? Surely you're more likely to be stabbed in your sleep, if that was the case.

Doesn't seem to be the case in Switzerland where almost adult is responsible for their state weapon. Although I doubt Switzerland provides the benefits system that encourages all and sundry to seek to live there either.

Besides many burglars are not unarmed as I'm quite sure you know.

Here's just one from the BBC at the top end of a long list:

Woman tied up in armed burglary

"Detectives in Greater Manchester are investigating an aggravated burglary in which a woman was tied up and her two sons attacked by four masked men.

The robbers, who police believe were carrying firearms, entered a house on Tennyson Road in Farnworth and tied up a 67-year-old woman on Wednesday.

The woman's two sons, both in their 30s, were also attacked by the robbers when they later arrived at the house.

The offenders left with a large amount of cash and jewellery, police said.

All the offenders were dressed in black.

The 36-year-old son was taken to hospital with a head injury and the 33-year-old son sustained a broken jaw."

Greater Manchester Police are appealing for witnesses to contact them.

[lou]

To be honest, if I found an intruder in my house, my first instinct would be to forcefully remove them.

Really? Mine would be to hide under the duvet

No seriously having a big brute of a husband helps but I dont know what Id do if he wasnt there. Lock me and the kids in one room and call the Police I guess.... then wait 3 days for them to turn up

Having a dog helps.... shes not big but she would definately bark a lot and would attack any intruder... the bloke next door has the bite marks to prove it

[Guest]

Doesn't seem to be the case in Switzerland where almost adult is responsible for their state weapon. Although I doubt Switzerland provides the benefits system that encourages all and sundry to seek to live there either.

Besides many burglars are not unarmed as I'm quite sure you know.

Here's just one from the BBC at the top end of a long list:

Woman tied up in armed burglary

"Detectives in Greater Manchester are investigating an aggravated burglary in which a woman was tied up and her two sons attacked by four masked men.

The robbers, who police believe were carrying firearms, entered a house on Tennyson Road in Farnworth and tied up a 67-year-old woman on Wednesday.

The woman's two sons, both in their 30s, were also attacked by the robbers when they later arrived at the house.

The offenders left with a large amount of cash and jewellery, police said.

All the offenders were dressed in black.

The 36-year-old son was taken to hospital with a head injury and the 33-year-old son sustained a broken jaw."

Greater Manchester Police are appealing for witnesses to contact them.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, burglaries are caused by immigrants, and it's this poxy government letting them in, taking our jobs, eradicating our language, helping themselves to benefits, and now taking our possessions.

Sort it out Gordon.

[Saladin]

I remember when i was small we got robbed. They managed to remove the entire front door from the frame and put it neatley to one side, without anyone realising...they took absolute everything including my brand new Mitre football which i saved up for a long damn time for . Absolute heartless wankers, would love to catch one though..

[hairy]

Having a dog helps.... shes not big but she would definately bark a lot and would attack any intruder... the bloke next door has the bite marks to prove it

Dogs certainly help. We have a big dog who hates door-to-door salesmen and the like. You should see the look on their faces when they meet the dog.

[lou]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, burglaries are caused by immigrants, and it's this poxy government letting them in, taking our jobs, eradicating our language, helping themselves to benefits, and now taking our possessions.

Sort it out Gordon.

Yeah actually most burglars are drug addicts who do it to fund their addictions and the majority of them I suspect are born and bred in this country. Certainly the 2 numpties on the front of the Mercury the other day were. Clever sods who called a taxi to get them home after....

[Koke]

I remember when i was small we got robbed. They managed to remove the entire front door from the frame and put it neatley to one side, without anyone realising...they took absolute everything including my brand new Mitre football which i saved up for a long damn time for . Absolute heartless wankers, would love to catch one though..

They did the same to my sister. They carefully and elegantly removed the window at the back garden without a scratch, and just put it to one side. It probably weren't some poxy little teenagers, cos it seems like they knew what they were doing.

[Thracian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, burglaries are caused by immigrants, and it's this poxy government letting them in, taking our jobs, eradicating our language, helping themselves to benefits, and now taking our possessions.

Sort it out Gordon.

Smokescreen as much as you like but I can't ever remember associating burglaries with immigrants. Knife crime, yes. But not burglaries, though you might have inspired me to check up in time.

I did read three examples of householders killing a "burglar" which did suggest the non-whites might have more chance of getting off in that situation than a white bloke like Tony Martin.

But, in the end, I couldn't be bothered to plough through all the evidence and I doubt that it would change your idealogical views whatever the stats said.

Besides I'm quite sure there won't be any reliable government figures available on the subject because every single day provides a litany of further examples of corruption, hypocrisy and forked-tongue bullshit from the disreputable apologists who run this country.

[Sir Fynwy]

Smokescreen as much as you like but I can't ever remember associating burglaries with immigrants. Knife crime, yes. But not burglaries, though you might have inspired me to check up in time.

I did read three examples of householders killing a "burglar" which did suggest the non-whites might have more chance of getting off in that situation than a white bloke like Tony Martin.

But, in the end, I couldn't be bothered to plough through all the evidence and I doubt that it would change your idealogical views whatever the stats said.

Besides I'm quite sure there won't be any reliable government figures available on the subject because every single day provides a litany of further examples of corruption, hypocrisy and forked-tongue bullshit from the disreputable apologists who run this country.

I'm sure you can find some made up, sensationalised bollocks on Yahoo news or the Daily Mail

[The People's Hero]

Is it true that before immigration, there was no litter in our fair land? No tampons floating about in our seas? And no teenage pregnancies in the leafy surburbs of the shires and the boroughs?

[Dr The Singh]

Is it true that before immigration, there was no litter in our fair land? No tampons floating about in our seas? And no teenage pregnancies in the leafy surburbs of the shires and the boroughs?

As far as I know, yeah!!!!

[Jon the Hat]

Doesn't seem to be the case in Switzerland where almost adult is responsible for their state weapon. Although I doubt Switzerland provides the benefits system that encourages all and sundry to seek to live there either.

Besides many burglars are not unarmed as I'm quite sure you know.

Here's just one from the BBC at the top end of a long list:

Woman tied up in armed burglary

"Detectives in Greater Manchester are investigating an aggravated burglary in which a woman was tied up and her two sons attacked by four masked men.

The robbers, who police believe were carrying firearms, entered a house on Tennyson Road in Farnworth and tied up a 67-year-old woman on Wednesday.

The woman's two sons, both in their 30s, were also attacked by the robbers when they later arrived at the house.

The offenders left with a large amount of cash and jewellery, police said.

All the offenders were dressed in black.

The 36-year-old son was taken to hospital with a head injury and the 33-year-old son sustained a broken jaw."

Greater Manchester Police are appealing for witnesses to contact them.

One might ask what a large amount of cash was doing in the house, and why armed men might know about it, and also why the two suns happened to be visiting. Sounds dodgy to me.

[The People's Hero]

One might ask what a large amount of cash was doing in the house, and why armed men might know about it, and also why the two suns happened to be visiting. Sounds dodgy to me.

Extremely convenient, isn't it?

[Thracian]

I'm sure you can find some made up, sensationalised bollocks on Yahoo news or the Daily Mail

Evening Standard and BBC. But you make my point really. Anything that rocks the idealogical boat is, indeed, dismissed as sensationalised bollocks.

[Thracian]

One might ask what a large amount of cash was doing in the house, and why armed men might know about it, and also why the two suns happened to be visiting. Sounds dodgy to me.

I quite agree, but the example was picked simply as the first in a long line of examples illustrating how often weapons are carried and used by burglars.

[Guest]

I quite agree, but the example was picked simply as the first in a long line of examples illustrating how often weapons are carried and used by burglars.

Sometimes. Not often.

Many more burglaries never make the papers. You were a journalist, you should know what makes a story newsworthy, and "burglars remove patio doors whilst family at work" is not as interesting as "burglars chew head off victims". Is it.

[Thracian]

Sometimes. Not often.

Many more burglaries never make the papers. You were a journalist, you should know what makes a story newsworthy, and "burglars remove patio doors whilst family at work" is not as interesting as "burglars chew head off victims". Is it.

And what exactly do they remove the doors with if not a jemmy or similar? In other words a tool that you could easily kill or injure with.

From what I can gather most burglaries don't even make the news now. There are so many crimes they have to be exceptional to get a mention.

[BoneDog]

Most folk I know who go out robbing houses and business' etc. are violent people. They wouldn't think twice about using extreme violence if caught on a job (although they'd obviously prefer to go undetected). But some don't care what happens. And since around 1990 when I first started knowing what folks were up to round my way I've found that alot of the burglars are not young uns. Lots of times I know of the guys involved have been over 30 and very experienced.

One night (teenage days) me and a few mates were drinking round the back of a few business' to stay away from local cops cos they used to nick our beer. We were sittin there and 3 guys we knew came round the corner with torches and a few tools and proceeded to do their thing right in front of us. They were all in their mid 30's and would be about 50 now and probably still doin the same thing.