Air France plane goes missing

[BoneDog]

This is absolutely laughable, I'm reading David aaronivtich's book currently and he completely blows arguments like this out of the water. It's absolute fantasy.

It is true that he got shot from behind and from the front though isn't it? If so, how could it of been Oswald, especially as there are photos of him 10 seconds before the first shot standing in front of the depository in the crowd?

[Zingari]

It is true that he got shot from behind and from the front though isn't it? If so, how could it of been Oswald, especially as there are photos of him 10 seconds before the first shot standing in front of the depository in the crowd?

Yes

It's obvious from the Zapruder film that he was shot from the front right, and the back of his head blew outwards towards the back and left , his body jerking in the same direction ,

All the medics at Parklands hospital described the wound at the rear of his skull as an "exit" wound but the warren commission simply ignored the staff at Parklands and relied on the evidence given by the navy doctors at Bathesda

Yes indeed he was shot from the front , probably from behind the stockade fence on the grassy knoll where all the witnesses were seen running towards

The Warren Report was a complete sham and all the so called myth exploders are using evidence already corrupted by them

[Webbo]

Yes!

He was killed by the driver, I can put a video up where you can see the driver put his hand over his shoulder with a gun and BAM. Might be a bit bad for a forum with youngsters though

Weren't he supposed to have been shot from above and behind (by the lone gunman)? On the vid I've got you can clearly see him being shot from the front and the exit out the back of his head

With the thousands of witnesses lining the route that seems a risky move and quite surprising that I haven't heard this theory until today.

[l444ry]

This theory that the driver shot Kennedy has been doing the rounds for ages. But only a fooking lunatic would believe that cobblers.

[BoneDog]

He was definately shot other times first but I think one of the guys in the front of the car finished the job. If you watch the video he was holding his throat after he first got shot and was still alive. Then he got shot in the face and the back of his head explodes.

Maybe Zingari is correct though and the shot from the front was from outside the car and not from the driver or passenger.

I had a video that convinced me it was one of the guys in the front (can't remember which guy) but I can't find it. I've spent a few hours looking for it to no avail.

[BoneDog]

This theory that the driver shot Kennedy has been doing the rounds for ages. But only a fooking lunatic would believe that cobblers.

Only a lunatic would believe that Oswald did it.

[BoneDog]

The late great Bill Cooper talked alot of sense about the JFK crap going around.

Bill was an ex Naval intelligence officer who had his own radio station for about 20 years I think. He was killed by police at his house 2 months after Sep 11th. He was the man who did a radio show 2 months before Sep 11th warning that the government was going to do this. And after the day he was on air regularly talking truth. Then in November they went round his yard and shot him.

He also used to talk about how strange it was that a CNN reporter and cameraman could meet with Bin Laden and interview him in a cave in Afghanistan, but the most powerful government in the history of the world couldn't track him down!! And this government has the most spies and secret service members (in EVERY country) on earth. William knew the score.

[l444ry]

He was definately shot other times first but I think one of the guys in the front of the car finished the job. If you watch the video he was holding his throat after he first got shot and was still alive. Then he got shot in the face and the back of his head explodes.

Maybe Zingari is correct though and the shot from the front was from outside the car and not from the driver or passenger.

I had a video that convinced me it was one of the guys in the front (can't remember which guy) but I can't find it. I've spent a few hours looking for it to no avail.

I tend to side with Zingari's view of things. But it's laughable to suggest that the driver shot JFK.

[Zingari]

I tend to side with Zingari's view of things. But it's laughable to suggest that the driver shot JFK.

either the driver of the limo (William Greer) or the bodyguard in the front passenger seat ( Roy Kellerman) or both , were probably involved in the plot but not as actual shooters but merely to ensure the car was in the killing zone long enough and at such a slow speed as to make the assassination possible.

[BoneDog]

I tend to side with Zingari's view of things. But it's laughable to suggest that the driver shot JFK.

Yes I am starting to agree that someone in the front of the car didn't shoot the final shot. I'm still looking for the vid I had though to double check why it convinced me

[Edmund]

Air France plane crash to who shot JFK.

Only on Foxestalk.

[BoneDog]

This is an interesting video. It shows how the 2 secret service bodyguards 'step down' just before the shooting. The vid gets more intersting in the 2nd half.

The bodyguard shrugging his shoulders seems like he doesn't know why he's been told to back off. Dodgy stuff.

[James.]

Really interesting article on the circumstances surrounding the crash. Official investigation findings are being released soon hence the renewed interest.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/9231855/Air-France-Flight-447-Damn-it-were-going-to-crash.html

[Saxondale]

Really interesting article on the circumstances surrounding the crash. Official investigation findings are being released soon hence the renewed interest.

http://www.telegraph...g-to-crash.html

Interesting indeed. Very baffling.

Here are a few things that baffle me in particular:

1) Pitot tubes have been fitted to aircraft for years and years and the pitots icing-up is not exactly unheard of. I was under the impression, perhaps mistakenly, that airliners with modern avionics such as the A330s derived a secondary airspeed indication from the navigation systems. Even so, I would have thought that experienced pilots, upon getting an erroneous indicated airspeed reading would have compensated for this and/or performed some manual calculations.

2) You don't have to be a massively experienced airline captain to know that, to rectify a potential aerodynamic stall, you descend in order to gain airspeed and lift. What was the PIC thinking by trying to lift the nose?

3) The article and presumably the report talks a lot about the lack of visibility of the side sticks. But the artificial horizon, one of the most prominent components of the Airbus' cockpit display, provides a clear and unsubtle indication of the aircraft's pitch. Another clear indication of what was happening would have been the vertical speed indicator, which doesn't rely on pitot tubes as it just measures the pressure differential.

It seems like the three pilots quite simply lost their minds.

[Daggers]

...It seems like the three pilots quite simply lost their minds.

[JadeFalcon]

i too find it hard to believe that somebody even a junior pilot with almost 3000 flying hours would not look at some of the basic instrumentation such as artificial horizon for a start and VSI, let alone two of them not looking at it

pitot tubes have if i can remember correctly, been fitted since atleast ww1, one of the many things the pilots should have been doing if getting eroneous pitot data would be to switch on its inbuilt deicer circuit.

the offical report will be quite interesting to read, i think alot of what the telegraph is saying is speculation till the report comes out

[Saxondale]

pitot tubes have if i can remember correctly, been fitted since atleast ww1, one of the many things the pilots should have been doing if getting eroneous pitot data would be to switch on its inbuilt deicer circuit.

The pitot heaters are (I believe) automatic on A330s. All three tubes seem to have frozen despite heating due to conditions.

[OzFox]

Really interesting article on the circumstances surrounding the crash. Official investigation findings are being released soon hence the renewed interest.

http://www.telegraph...g-to-crash.html

Interesting read that

Can imagine how disorientating that would be. At night, in a storm, unreliable gauges, alarms going off everywhere...and four minutes to sort it out. That's what I call pressure.

[ADK]

Still find it hard to believe a professional pilot could be that daft.

He ignored 75 stall warnings...

[Libertine Dream]

It seems like the three pilots quite simply lost their minds.

It was simply a case of panicking and not considering or thinking about what is happening. We depend on these people being calm but I imagine it is very difficult in that weather somewhere over the Atlantic in the dark. Had the captain been there and not been resting/had he got there quicker, they might have got away with it but the junior simply went into a state of disorientation.

[Jackirius]

The article says that the passengers may have not even noticed anything, and also says that they were falling at a 40 degree angle. Pretty sure they would have been pinned back to their seats.

Having read quite a few things on the crash it is inevitably the pilots fault, hopefully lessons have been learnt though and nothing like this will happen ever again.

[Libertine Dream]

The article says that the passengers may have not even noticed anything, and also says that they were falling at a 40 degree angle. Pretty sure they would have been pinned back to their seats.

Having read quite a few things on the crash it is inevitably the pilots fault, hopefully lessons have been learnt though and nothing like this will happen ever again.

As you say they must have noticed something. Did you see the story about the Ryanair flight from Milan to EMA where a couple were over-exaggerating an incident. They lost cabin pressure(fairly common incident really, which causes few problems) and they claimed they dropped 20000 feet and thought their lives were over, when in reality they descended quickly to 10000 feet. So if they were fearing for their lives, then the Air France passengers must have noticed there was a problem

[Jackirius]

As you say they must have noticed something. Did you see the story about the Ryanair flight from Milan to EMA where a couple were over-exaggerating an incident. They lost cabin pressure(fairly common incident really, which causes few problems) and they claimed they dropped 20000 feet and thought their lives were over, when in reality they descended quickly to 10000 feet. So if they were fearing for their lives, then the Air France passengers must have noticed there was a problem

Yep, I mean i quite like flying and enjoy it when it gets a bit bumpy from turbulence, but **** me I would hate to be on a flight that has to descend rapidly like that.

[Libertine Dream]

Yep, I mean i quite like flying and enjoy it when it gets a bit bumpy from turbulence, but **** me I would hate to be on a flight that has to descend rapidly like that.

Fair enough, it just seems like a lot of commotion for nothing to me

[Gold Coast Fox]

For f*** sake, why did I just read that 2 month before I fly home