BoneDog Posted 4 July 2009 Posted 4 July 2009 1. He was christian in the sense that he believed in God and Jesus and went to church and prayed.That makes him a christian in my book, 2. just the same as the muslim terroists are largely devout muslims. 1. When? Once a year for a photo-shoot that's when. Trust me, I'm not lying to you, he's not a Christian. He used it to get the support of massive amounts of America, which is essential for most US presidents. 2. Really? Where do you get this knowledge from? You should study this subject a bit more and you would come to the conclusion that the terrorists are far from devout Muslims. By any chance are you talking about any of the Sep 11th people? (the ones who were supposed to be on the planes but are still alive today? or the ones who worked for the CIA for a few years prior to that event?) Just wondering which ones you are talking about. Saddam maybe? Laden maybe? Cos none of these are devout Muslims no matter what the trustworthy media tell you.
Webbo Posted 4 July 2009 Posted 4 July 2009 2. Really? Where do you get this knowledge from? You should study this subject a bit more and you would come to the conclusion that the terrorists are far from devout Muslims. By any chance are you talking about any of the Sep 11th people? (the ones who were supposed to be on the planes but are still alive today? or the ones who worked for the CIA for a few years prior to that event?) Just wondering which ones you are talking about. Saddam maybe? Laden maybe? Cos none of these are devout Muslims no matter what the trustworthy media tell you. Can you explain to me why suicide bombers blow themselves up on the promise of virgins waiting for them in heaven if they don't believe that it's going to happen?
breadandcheese Posted 4 July 2009 Posted 4 July 2009 It also says in the Bible thou shalt not kill but it hasn't stopped Christians killing other Christians or other religeous/non-religeous people over the centuries - why are you so convinced that Muslims wouldn't haven't done the same. Sorry davie. As a point of reference, the bible doesn't say thou shall not kill, it says thou shalt not murder. Thus leaving the text open to a mass of interpretation as to what constitutes murder.
breadandcheese Posted 4 July 2009 Posted 4 July 2009 It says in the book that if you kill ANY innocent person, you will not be forgiven. So if they are a Muslim that means they believe in this book, so they wouldn't do it. Which leads onto my next point about interpretations of text. The Koran says it is wrong to kill an innocent. Who is an innocent? The argument over this definition has provided the justification for some nasty crimes. All these bombs you see on TV blowing up mosques or bus queues or whatever else, they are not set off by Muslims. They are set off by some group that wants a certain person in that mosque or bus queue dead (and they don't care how many innocent people get caught up in it). Then blamed on Muslims by saying on the news that such and such group has claimed responsibility. (and these groups that pop up are all started by mainly US secret services). I bet ya! I liken your response to a parent's refusal to believe their own children could be the perpetrators. It is because you care but it is ultimately closing your eyes. Did you watch that conspiracies programme about the 7/7 bombings on bbc2. It picked apart the youtube video "the ripple effect", a conspiracy video made by a man who questioned the validity of 7/7.
BoneDog Posted 4 July 2009 Posted 4 July 2009 Can you explain to me why suicide bombers blow themselves up on the promise of virgins waiting for them in heaven if they don't believe that it's going to happen? Who says they do it for that reason?! Have you ever seen a so-called suicide bomber say that he was doing it so he could have some virgins in Heaven? No, you haven't. Can you explain to me why a Muslim would blow themselves up (or kill an innocent person) when the Koran says that if you do either that you will not get to Heaven at all? How would they get these so-called 'virgins' if they were doing something that would not send them to heaven? And the whole 'virgins' thing is took out of concept anyway.
Webbo Posted 4 July 2009 Posted 4 July 2009 Who says they do it for that reason?! Have you ever seen a so-called suicide bomber say that he was doing it so he could have some virgins in Heaven? No, you haven't. Can you explain to me why a Muslim would blow themselves up (or kill an innocent person) when the Koran says that if you do either that you will not get to Heaven at all? How would they get these so-called 'virgins' if they were doing something that would not send them to heaven? And the whole 'virgins' thing is took out of concept anyway. So why do they do it?
davieG Posted 4 July 2009 Posted 4 July 2009 Sorry davie. As a point of reference, the bible doesn't say thou shall not kill, it says thou shalt not murder. Thus leaving the text open to a mass of interpretation as to what constitutes murder. I bow to your knowledge, although having been brought up in a Church of England Children's home and attending Church/Sunday School 3 times on every Sunday my recollection of what was drummed into me me was thou shalt not kill. Either way I think my point was still valid, I'd have thought for a real Christian any killing would be unacceptable, unless it was an eye for an eye .
Smudge Posted 4 July 2009 Posted 4 July 2009 I bow to your knowledge, although having been brought up in a Church of England Children's home and attending Church/Sunday School 3 times on every Sunday my recollection of what was drummed into me me was thou shalt not kill.Either way I think my point was still valid, I'd have thought for a real Christian any killing would be unacceptable, unless it was an eye for an eye . You're right Davie, the King James version which we were brought up with had the 6th commandment as "kill". The newer international version uses "murder" A newer interpretation of the Hebrew I guess. Another thread "Running on Empty"
BoneDog Posted 4 July 2009 Posted 4 July 2009 1. Which leads onto my next point about interpretations of text. The Koran says it is wrong to kill an innocent. Who is an innocent? The argument over this definition has provided the justification for some nasty crimes.2. I liken your response to a parent's refusal to believe their own children could be the perpetrators. It is because you care but it is ultimately closing your eyes. Did you watch that conspiracies programme about the 7/7 bombings on bbc2. It picked apart the youtube video "the ripple effect", a conspiracy video made by a man who questioned the validity of 7/7. 1. In the Koran it says exactly who can be killed. It is a person who is trying to kill you, a person who has killed a member of your family (but it also says that it is better for you to forgive them), an adulterer (but they have to be caught in the actual act by 4 or more witnesses, which is never going to happen, this is just a warning against cheating on your wife) 2. No I didn't see that programme but I will have a look at it soon on google video. I have read enough about that day though to believe that higher powers were to blame. I don't know, it's just what I and alot of people believe. These people are not nutters, there are alot of respected people who talk about these things.
Edmund Posted 4 July 2009 Posted 4 July 2009 2. No I didn't see that programme but I will have a look at it soon on google video. I have read enough about that day though to believe that higher powers were to blame. I don't know, it's just what I and alot of people believe. These people are not nutters, there are alot of respected people who talk about these things. In the Air France thread I put a link about it. It shows the guy behind the infamous 7/7 ripple effect video was a nutter who thought he was jesus. He called himself by a Muslim name yet he is called John. It's on bbc iplayer. I would like to hear your views after watching that as it makes a mockery of the conspiracy theory. Anyway empty you haven't answered my question in the Air France thread as to your security, if what your saying is true surely the government will be after you next as your spreading "the truth" around the forums. And finally your baboon dnb video is class.
BoneDog Posted 5 July 2009 Posted 5 July 2009 In the Air France thread I put a link about it. It shows the guy behind the infamous 7/7 ripple effect video was a nutter who thought he was jesus.He called himself by a Muslim name yet he is called John. It's on bbc iplayer. I would like to hear your views after watching that as it makes a mockery of the conspiracy theory. 1. Anyway empty you haven't answered my question in the Air France thread as to your security, if what your saying is true surely the government will be after you next as your spreading "the truth" around the forums. 2. And finally your baboon dnb video is class. 1. I don't think I've seen your question, I'll go and have a gleg now! But to answer now quickly, I really don't care about my security, in honesty, we only stay here for a while anyway so if someone wants to kill me for what I believe so be it 2. P.S I will watch that vid soon about the nutter John!
Dr The Singh Posted 6 July 2009 Posted 6 July 2009 No offence to Singh but I don't think it was well said. To me it just sounds like he's saying that everyone in Pakistan is a Muslim, so it means that when someone kills someone else there it means that a Muslim killed a Muslim. That's like saying that when there is a murder in America or UK that a Christian killed a Christian. El EMpty, don't be silly, those that are killing and maming, say they are Muslim, they say they do it for Islam, for sharia, not me buddy!!!
Dr The Singh Posted 6 July 2009 Posted 6 July 2009 No I'm not biased.And yes, I am saying that they are NOT Muslim killing Muslims. They are people BORN in Muslim countries killing real Muslims. Just because they are from Pakistan doesn't make them Muslim. They might of been born Muslim but they certainly aren't anymore. They are gangsters doing the Pakistan governments work for them, which is killing Muslims. As for the tribal leaders who enforce their ways on villagers, they are not Muslim either. The Muslims in these places are the ones being slaughtered, in Mosques, markets and other places. How can you think that someone who blows up a Mosque is a Muslim?!! They are just from a Muslim country, but are not practicing Muslims. Fact Your not answering my question Empty, your clumping all groups together, as previously discussed, who is in who's payroll, people will sell there mothers for money, even Muslims!! Again, there are bad people on this planet, hence bad people who follow practice Sikhsim, Jusiasm and even Islam, it maybe hard for you to comprehend, but that is a fact. If you analyse many religious icons even prophets they have done things that are questionable!!! Yes, I can believe a Muslim can bomb a mosque, practicing or no practicing!!!
Guest Posted 6 July 2009 Posted 6 July 2009 This made me laugh. We allow our daughters or sisters to walk down the street in a bikini so why shouldn't we allow someone to walk covered up if they choose? I also hear that our government is saying that we will be soon teaching 5 or 6 year olds sex education? If this is true then I will NEVER let my kids go to school until they are at High School age. It makes me sick. (if it is true that is) What are the laws when it comes to going through customs. When I came back from Miami a few years back we landed the same time as a flight from Pakistan, we all went through customs at the same time and there were women wearing full veils who just showed a passport and walked straight through without having to take it off.I didn't know if that was something that happened a lot, or the fact the queue was about 3 miles long meant thy were just rushing people through!? Sorry to be a pedant, Babs, but Customs are only interested in what's in your bags and cases, and that you aren't trying to avoid paying duty. It's Immigration, or as they are called now the UK Border Agency, who check your passport.
BoneDog Posted 6 July 2009 Posted 6 July 2009 Your not answering my question Empty, your clumping all groups together, as previously discussed, who is in who's payroll, people will sell there mothers for money, even Muslims!! Again, there are bad people on this planet, hence bad people who follow practice Sikhsim, Jusiasm and even Islam, it maybe hard for you to comprehend, but that is a fact. If you analyse many religious icons even prophets they have done things that are questionable!!!Yes, I can believe a Muslim can bomb a mosque, practicing or no practicing!!! If they sell anything in a corrupt way then they are not Muslims. They can say they are all they want, but they are not. That is a fact. If you don't follow what the book says then you are not one. It doesn't matter what they say. The people who are on the payroll will say whatever the boss says. It doesn't mean anything. Words are not always true.
BoneDog Posted 6 July 2009 Posted 6 July 2009 This made me laugh. "we landed the same time as a flight from Pakistan, we all went through customs at the same time and there were women wearing full veils who just showed a passport and walked straight through without having to take it off." This is from Babylon (wasn't sure where the quote is so just uses Lisa's copy of it. Why should they have to take their coverings off if they don't set the metal detectors off?! There are machines that x-ray us as we walk through the airport. No need to take a head cover off cos the security know if you have anything under there. So it's not an arguement. Absolutely no need at all. If it was a risk it wouldn't be allowed.
lavrentis Posted 6 July 2009 Posted 6 July 2009 Why should they have to take their coverings off if they don't set the metal detectors off?! There are machines that x-ray us as we walk through the airport. No need to take a head cover off cos the security know if you have anything under there. So it's not an arguement.Absolutely no need at all. If it was a risk it wouldn't be allowed. You cant see their face so you cant compare it to the passport picture.
Edmund Posted 6 July 2009 Posted 6 July 2009 You cant see their face so you cant compare it to the passport picture. Sorry to be a pedant, Babs, but Customs are only interested in what's in your bags and cases, and that you aren't trying to avoid paying duty. It's Immigration, or as they are called now the UK Border Agency, who check your passport.
BoneDog Posted 6 July 2009 Posted 6 July 2009 You cant see their face so you cant compare it to the passport picture. never thought of that ! If security don't make them show their face for the passport part then what a joke system we have. Surely there must be a law saying you have to show your face at passport control?
Edmund Posted 6 July 2009 Posted 6 July 2009 never thought of that !If security don't make them show their face for the passport part then what a joke system we have. Surely there must be a law saying you have to show your face at passport control? They do check your face against a passport. I think your getting mixed up between customs and Immigration. At customs it is not necessary for passport checks as they are only interested in what you are bringing into the country and then once you have cleared customs you will go to immigration where they will check your passport, reason for visit etc
BoneDog Posted 6 July 2009 Posted 6 July 2009 They do check your face against a passport. I think your getting mixed up between customs and Immigration. At customs it is not necessary for passport checks as they are only interested in what you are bringing into the country and then once you have cleared customs you will go to immigration where they will check your passport, reason for visit etc Seen
davieG Posted 7 July 2009 Posted 7 July 2009 This made me laugh. Sorry to be a pedant, Babs, but Customs are only interested in what's in your bags and cases, and that you aren't trying to avoid paying duty. It's Immigration, or as they are called now the UK Border Agency, who check your passport. Why should they have to take their coverings off if they don't set the metal detectors off?! There are machines that x-ray us as we walk through the airport. No need to take a head cover off cos the security know if you have anything under there. So it's not an arguement.Absolutely no need at all. If it was a risk it wouldn't be allowed. You cant see their face so you cant compare it to the passport picture. So why do they even bother to look at your passport, I thought the people looking at your passport were immigration, you only see the customs people if you've something to declare, and go through the appropriate door or you're pulled to one side 'randomly' - leastwise that's how it looks to me.
Dr The Singh Posted 7 July 2009 Posted 7 July 2009 If they sell anything in a corrupt way then they are not Muslims. They can say they are all they want, but they are not. That is a fact. If you don't follow what the book says then you are not one. It doesn't matter what they say.The people who are on the payroll will say whatever the boss says. It doesn't mean anything. Words are not always true. So according to you there's probably ZERO muslims on the planet then, nobody is that pure, mate!!
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