College refuses entry to women wearing Veils

[l444ry]

Yes, it should absolutely be stopped. They promote the non-integration of people who want to live in a non-muslim country and then import the muslim way of life. That is not acceptable. Furthermore, the Burkha should absolutely be banned in British schools. I feel that it is intimidating to non-muslim children and again promotes segregation.

[l444ry]

Daleks vs Burkas and up in arms over Passport Office fiasco.

A Channel Islands-based organisation, the Jersey International Honourable Association of Daleks (JIHAD) has reacted strongly to a request from the National passport Office that member Daleks remove their lids prior to having their photographs taken for passports.

Speaking at a press conference, Davros, President of JIHAD, said his organisation is considering legal action against the Passport Office.

He said: "The press have always been prejudiced towards members of our association, But to ask us to remove our lids - well this is wholly unacceptable.

"But more importantly, I am especially concerned that the press are now comparing Burka-clad middle and far eastern humans, with their all-black garb and eye-slits, to Daleks.

"This is a slur I'm afraid my members and I will not tolerate.

"And the fact that these human imposters have been strapping armaments to their backs and entering tube stations and buses shouting "Exterminate, exterminate" is something we will not put up with. Besides, Daleks use a more sophisticated death-ray alongside that strange sink-plunger on the end of their other metal stalk to create their mayhem. And we all practice what we preach, rather than send lesser functioning or younger members of the Dalek community to the front line.

"Daleks are peace-loving and grotesquely mutated organisms from the planet Skaro, who may, through the impression given by television programmes such as Dr Who, appear to have little to no individual personality, no emotions other than hatred and fear, and a strict command structure, conditioned to obey superior orders without reasoning why.

"Their speech maybe characterised by repeated phrases, and by orders given to themselves and to others, and yes, Dalek vocal inflection may sometimes suggests perpetual anger, sometimes verging on hysteria. In terms of their behaviour, Daleks seem to be extremely aggressive, and driven by an instinct to attack.

"Yet to compare us to human Burka-beings is unacceptable, even though having re-read what I have just written, the similarities indeed seem perhaps alarming and frightening.

"I would report this to Ban Ki-moon of the UN, but seeing as he's done bugger all for Zimbabwe, Burma or Darfur, I'm not going to waste my time."

[Ultra]

At an open day held in Catholic St Mary's College, Blackburn, the visitors were asked to remove their Niqab veils.

[lou]

Well it did say OPEN day

[Guest Bilo]

I would defend the college's right to have a policy that people can't have their faces covered as that applies equally to everyone, regardless of religion. So I don't think these Muslims have anything to complain about.

However I really don't see why some people have an issue with women wearing veils. It's their personal choice, nevermind what the religion says or not. If they want to wear one then they should be allowed to. I see hundreds of people in veils round Whitechapel and it doesn't bother me in the slightest, no idea why it would anyone else.

This pretty much sums up my views on the matter.

I personally don't take offence at anyone wearing a veil in their private life, but I can understand to a point why people might. The fact that it is not a compulsion in Islam might lead some to question a woman's reasons behind wearing a niqab or burka.

The practical issues already touched upon of making oneself understood while wearing a veil are a major concern. Policies of this kind should apply to everybody or nobody, so I would defend the decision of the college on this matter.

[Koke]

That does show a certain disrespect for others though, given they are living in a society with predominantly different values. I do not think there should be any general restricitions on what people can wear and where (a la Sarkozy) but if people chose to wear something which they are fully aware causes offence to some of the general population in which they choose to live then should they not expect to be treated as if they are being delieberately rude?

Edit. I guess what I am trying to say is that the reason this is a big issue, even though the numbers are relatively tiny, is becuase it is seen as either a deliberately rude act, or as ignorance of the customs and expectations of the British popoulation in general, and both of these are seen as disrespectul by a large chunk of the population.

In a strange fetish way I actually agree with you - I do understand people who feel uncomfortable talking to someone wearing a veil. But banning it is not the answer and never will be. It's a slippery slope, really. Some people feel intimidated when a group of lads in hoodies walking their way, so do we ban that as well?

As much as people dislike it, they just have to let it be. It's a personal choice, and the irony of the whole thing is that by banning it you are oppressing these women by telling them what they can and cannot wear.

It's a minor thing anyway tbh. Women wearing veils are probably the least dangerous and troublesome group of people in the country. I've never encountered or seen any problems with them whatsoever.

[Bert]

Walking post boxes scare me.

I know they choose to wear them, but sometimes I feel un-easy, they could have anything under them. Never trust someone that hides their face.

[lavrentis]

Walking post boxes scare me.

I know they choose to wear them, but sometimes I feel un-easy, they could have anything under them. Never trust someone that hides their face.

This.

Whenever I go to Leicester I just go to watch the football but the last time I went which was to go shopping, I was surprised how many people actually wore them there, not just head but full blown burka. I looked for a second and I was surprised, never seen anything like it. They were like walking bin liners. It felt uneasy and to me they are unapproachable. That's just my opinion. It's only because people use the excuse of religion that they haven't been ridiculed out of existence.

[Matt]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/8125760.stm

Interesting story I thought and my view was that its fair enough. Wearing of veils is NOT a religious requirement of Islam its something thats chosen, so I dont see why places cant insist they are removed whilst on their premises.

If a white lad turned up with a scarf covering his face they definately wouldnt get in!

I personally hate the full face veils and think its very hard to communicate with someone when you cannot see their facial expressions. I cant imagine why anyone would want to wear one.. must get quite hot and uncomfortable in this heat!

Too true, I remember wearing a Cap a few years ago and getting asked to remove it, yet someone else who was there wearing a veil was ok.

[Koke]

This.

Whenever I go to Leicester I just go to watch the football but the last time I went which was to go shopping, I was surprised how many people actually wore them there, not just head but full blown burka. I looked for a second and I was surprised, never seen anything like it. They were like walking bin liners.

Stop lying for fucks sake. There are not that many women who wear this thing, otherwise there would've been a bigger uproar about it.

[Bert]

Stop lying for fucks sake. There are not that many women who wear this thing, otherwise there would've been a bigger uproar about it.

Not being funny, but you do see a lot of them In Leicester mate.

[Hullfox]

Not being funny, but you do see a lot of them In Leicester mate.

Wish Mrs Hullfox would wear a fooker.

[Bert]

Wish Mrs Hullfox would wear a fooker.

[Koke]

Not being funny, but you do see a lot of them In Leicester mate.

It may seem a lot to you, but it isn't really that many, mate. I mingle and mix a lot with Muslims [stating the obvious], and these veiled women stand out and they are a small tiny minority.

[lavrentis]

Stop lying for fucks sake. There are not that many women who wear this thing, otherwise there would've been a bigger uproar about it.

I'm not lying? Fair enough if you don't believe me. There's obviously no national uproar on this but I saw quite a few - maybe because they stick out like a sore thumb, maybe it just shocked me. It was the first time I had been in Leicester in a long time.

[Bert]

It may seem a lot to you, but it isn't really that many, mate. I mingle and mix a lot with Muslims [stating the obvious], and these veiled women stand out and they are a small tiny minority.

That's probably the difference then, whereas you probably see it every day, you notice it less, but people such as myself and Laverentis would notice it more as we see it less?

[Guest Bilo]

To be honest, I think Kareem is right. The number of women who choose to cover up completely probably seems exaggerated because they stand out so much. The overwhelming majority of Muslim women are more likely to wear either Western clothes or the hijab rather than cover up completely. A woman with a headscarf will probably pass by un-noticed whereas a woman wearing the full veil will turn heads because it's considered unusual in our society. Women who choose to cover up competely are almost certainly in the minority, though it would be interesting to see proper stats regarding the issue.

[Koke]

Bilo, you're my nigga.

[SOCCERROO FOX]

It doesn't bother me what people where in there homes and in the general public, but where it is neccessary for facial recognition or facial communication and as it's not a 'article of faith' it's not appropriate for schools, certain workplaces etc!!!

This is my thoughts.

Not really approriate in a college.....at least for classes.

[BoneDog]

Yep good for them. I dont know much about these burkas, but it's a bit off putting when all you can see is someones eyes, they could be being really rude to you and you'd never know?

I liken wearing one to turning your head whilst someone is talking to you, it's a little bit rude.

That does show a certain disrespect for others though, given they are living in a society with predominantly different values. I do not think there should be any general restricitions on what people can wear and where (a la Sarkozy) but if people chose to wear something which they are fully aware causes offence to some of the general population in which they choose to live then should they not expect to be treated as if they are being delieberately rude?

Edit. I guess what I am trying to say is that the reason this is a big issue, even though the numbers are relatively tiny, is becuase it is seen as either a deliberately rude act, or as ignorance of the customs and expectations of the British popoulation in general, and both of these are seen as disrespectul by a large chunk of the population.

How is a woman covering her face to guard her modesty disrespectful to others or rude?! She is doing it because of what she believes, not to disrespect you or your society. We allow our daughters or sisters to walk down the street in a bikini so why shouldn't we allow someone to walk covered up if they choose?

This whole debate is crazy and smacks of fascism.

(sorry if I take your point the wrong way, I tend to do that alot!)

Walking post boxes scare me.

I know they choose to wear them, but sometimes I feel un-easy, they could have anything under them. Never trust someone that hides their face.

Someone walking down the street in just a pair of jeans could have anything tucked in their belt, and guite often do! The people who carry weapons round town are not women in burkas. Trust me they are not the danger to you.

Not being funny, but you do see a lot of them In Leicester mate.

So what? Don't let it bother you. How much harm have they ever done to you? None I reckon.

Do you have an ingrained prejudice that you don't conciously realise?

[BoneDog]

I had to refuse to serve a lady in my previous employment because I couldnt understand what she was saying, not because she didnt speak english (it was a bit broken) but because I couldn't have the aid of lip reading I simply couldn't understand what she was saying to me

Have you got a hearing aid? You might need one

If i wrapped a towel round my face people would still be able to hear me talk

[SOCCERROO FOX]

Someone walking down the street in just a pair of jeans could have anything tucked in their belt, and guite often do! The people who carry weapons round town are not women in burkas. Trust me they are not the danger to you.

I'm packing heat in my jeans....

[BoneDog]

I'm packing heat in my jeans....

I had a feelin that was coming

[SOCCERROO FOX]

I had a feelin that was coming

That comes latter

[ozleicester]

Women...college?, DAMN IT YESS...Im completely opposed, i mean how much education do they need to boil my eggs and toast my brea.... oh wait, thats not the issue is it?