Guest Bilo Posted 3 July 2009 Posted 3 July 2009 La Roux's Elly Jackson has labelled R&B as, "very kind of empty, like hollow and not rooted in anything good or healthy".The singer, who is currently number 1 in the UK singles charts with her song Bulletproof, added: "Lyrically it's just like really really bad - I think a lot of it just doesn't mean anything. "I think a lot of it is, 'Baby I love you, I want to kiss you'. It's just like what are you on about? Shut up." La Roux's self titled debut album was released this week [29 June] and is vying for a position in the chart's top ten this weekend [5 July] with a number of Michael Jackson's albums. Continuing on the subject of R&B music she added: "It certainly doesn't make me feel anything special, or doesn't make me think, or go somewhere else in my mind. I just don't get it. "The clothes… I just think it's like basically naked. It has been like that since the nineties, its not just now. I just don't think it's good and there's lots of girls in pop that are 17/18 and they're half naked and it's just 'Why?' "And you wonder if you weren't half naked would you by selling any records? Which obviously is just wrong. "You shouldn't be selling records because you're half naked - if you want to do that be a porn star." Jackson also admitted: "I'm probably expressing my opinion where it's not wanted." Ladies and gents, it's over to you.....
purpleronnie Posted 3 July 2009 Posted 3 July 2009 I agree most of it is drivel, nothing wrong with listening to it though but I want more out of the music I listen to than what most R & B supplies, all the songs and even the videos merge into one there is little experimentation and lyrically its inane. I also dont like the fact the they use R & B it has little blues at all. I think it does hold weight just because you like R & B you cant escape the fact most of the stuff in the charts is terrible. That said I like some pop music and most of them have terrible lyrics and is pretty throwaway but I would never try and justify it as being important music...it isn't. Thats the difference I could defend Bob Dylan I could Defend Billy Bragg I could Defend Woody Guthrie but I also like some Saurdays songs but I wouldnt suggest they were important or relevant in anyway.
Samilktray Posted 3 July 2009 Posted 3 July 2009 Most of the stuff in the charts from any genre is awful, so thats a pretty pointless comment. R&B isnt all the same subject matter, I understand if its not you cup of tea, but looking past the more mainstream artists will show this.
purpleronnie Posted 3 July 2009 Posted 3 July 2009 Most of the stuff in the charts from any genre is awful, so thats a pretty pointless comment.R&B isnt all the same subject matter, I understand if its not you cup of tea, but looking past the more mainstream artists will show this. Thats my point (or at least one of them), I suggest she's not commentating on music found outside of the charts because why would she? The so called R & B that does chart is for the most part terrible.
Bellend Sebastian Posted 3 July 2009 Posted 3 July 2009 I don't disagree with anything she said, even though I don't really know who she is. It's so lazy and half arsed they couldn't even be bothered to come up with a new name for it. Is that the sort of thing you were looking for, Bilo?
Guest Bilo Posted 3 July 2009 Posted 3 July 2009 Thats my point (or at least one of them), I suggest she's not commentating on music found outside of the charts because why would she? The so called R & B that does chart is for the most part terrible. Can't disagree with this comment. A lot of R&B does have the most inane, nonsensical lyrics of any genre. It's dumbed down, commercial shit and she's bang on the money with her comments about the videos and lyrics. I don't disagree with anything she said, even though I don't really know who she is. It's so lazy and half arsed they couldn't even be bothered to come up with a new name for it. Is that the sort of thing you were looking for, Bilo? Yep, pretty much. I knew this would start debate when I heard it on Radio 1 this morning, so thought uploading it would resut in some 'interesting' views.
Samilktray Posted 3 July 2009 Posted 3 July 2009 You did not just mention Eminem when talking about R&B.
Guest Bilo Posted 3 July 2009 Posted 3 July 2009 You did not just mention Eminem when talking about R&B. That's why I made the edit.
The Doctor Posted 3 July 2009 Posted 3 July 2009 R&B music is crap. then only reason it dominates the charts is because the majority of the music is brought by the youngest generation which, collectively has the intellect of a half eaten biscuit. Edit: yes i do realise that i'm part of the generation i'm having a go at but that doesn't change my opinion of the people my age.
Joe. Posted 3 July 2009 Posted 3 July 2009 R&B music is crap. then only reason it dominates the charts is because the majority of the music is brought by the youngest generation which, collectively has the intellect of a half eaten biscuit.Edit: yes i do realise that i'm part of the generation i'm having a go at but that doesn't change my opinion of the people my age. What sort of music do you like then?
Simi Posted 3 July 2009 Posted 3 July 2009 What sort of music do you like then? Probably that shite indie crap that has now gone out of fashion? See, it's just as easy to slag of genres I don't like as well.
The Doctor Posted 3 July 2009 Posted 3 July 2009 Probably that shite indie crap that has now gone out of fashion?See, it's just as easy to slag of genres I don't like as well. indeed. bit of rock music is good for the soul as well.
James. Posted 3 July 2009 Posted 3 July 2009 Would D'Angelo be considered R&B do you reckon? If so then not all R&B is shit. It's the same with all genres. Sift through the crap and you find the good stuff. Just coming out with a catch all comment such as R&B is all shit just makes people sound naive.
The Doctor Posted 3 July 2009 Posted 3 July 2009 Would D'Angelo be considered R&B do you reckon? If so then not all R&B is shit. It's the same with all genres. Sift through the crap and you find the good stuff. Just coming out with a catch all comment such as R&B is all shit just makes people sound naive. i prefer the term lazy but.. mods finish my sentence please.
Koke Posted 3 July 2009 Posted 3 July 2009 Who the fuck is she btw? Even some mainstream RnB is very good. R. Kelly is a very successful artist and highly regarded. Usher is another one. Boyz II Men back in them days were quite awesome. And I used to love Donell Jones like. You get shit rappers and shit pop singers as well - doesn't mean the entire genre is awful.
Bellend Sebastian Posted 3 July 2009 Posted 3 July 2009 Would D'Angelo be considered R&B do you reckon? If so then not all R&B is shit. It's the same with all genres. Sift through the crap and you find the good stuff. Just coming out with a catch all comment such as R&B is all shit just makes people sound naive. I'm not going to hunt through a bucket of shit to find a truffle when I've got a bucket full of truffles. I just don't like it, never have. Each to his own though, y'all. Word
The Doctor Posted 3 July 2009 Posted 3 July 2009 I'm not going to hunt through a bucket of shit to find a truffle when I've got a bucket full of truffles.I just don't like it, never have. Each to his own though, y'all. Word truffles are overrated IMO.
Bellend Sebastian Posted 3 July 2009 Posted 3 July 2009 truffles are overrated IMO. Pigs go mental for them, although they're not the sort of truffle I meant. It took me a long time to realise that the ones you get in Thorntons and the ones pigs root around for on the forest floor aren't one and the same
James. Posted 3 July 2009 Posted 3 July 2009 I'm not going to hunt through a bucket of shit to find a truffle when I've got a bucket full of truffles. Nice analogy but how do you find new music? Admittedly D'Angelo was recommended to me so I didn't have to wade through shit to find it but there have been times when I've got into a new genre and had to listen to some crap before I find what I really want. Isn't there a nice element of satisfaction in that process? A bucket full of truffles gets a bit boring after awhile, sometimes I'll go back to the bucket of shit because there might be a diamond in there instead of just another truffle. You get me?
hairy Posted 3 July 2009 Posted 3 July 2009 I really dont like R&B but she is a bit stupid to attack it so openly. I agree with her in a way but she is over generalising. And really who is she to able to have a go when all she does is recycle stuff from her mum's 80s music collection?
Bellend Sebastian Posted 3 July 2009 Posted 3 July 2009 I think R&B is a relatively easy target because it's very popular and you hear it everywhere, so it's not like you're being unfair in the way that you would be if you dismissed Bavarian folk music having heard 20 seconds of it at some dodgy beer festival. There may be some R&B gems out there but when you've heard a shitload of it on the radio, satellite TV, spotty kids' mobiles and blasting out of 'customised' motors and you've pretty much concluded that you hate it, you're not about to go looking for its less popular but higher quality side, assuming it has one. I find new music mainly by word of mouth from people with broadly similar tastes to my own, and reviews in the supposedly quality press. If something has genuine genre crossing appeal, it will usually get a good write up, but I think R&B is generally looked down upon in critical circles as being a bit limp and inconsequential so I rarely find myself reading anything positive about it that will make me sit up and take notice. That might be a bit unfair but often happens to stuff that's popular
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