Sink immigrants' boats - Griffin

[ob1kanobe0]

Mr griffin, did not say that, Mr griffin as oer interview on tv, made it blatantly clear that the EU should sink immigrant boats comming to EU shores, he did not go about explaining his 'humanitarian' reason for it, maybe he did afterwards because he found out what a tool he looked!

So threatening people of sinking there boats and causing them possible harm, is a responsible thing to do. And don't you think that these immigrants know the risk of using manmade boats???????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAgMU62yaeg just after 6min.

Sink boats to cause "possible harm" and they get the message not to try it, or carry on and watch thousands die via their rafts and submarines?

Do they know the risks? Do they find out their mate died yesterday? Is there a trafficer telling them, right, 2 out of yesterdays 20 on a raft died, so you've got a 10% chance of dieing.

[Guest]

The illegals see europe as a pot of gold. They're taking a life risking gamble for that gold. Mr Griffin is trying to get the message to them that what they're doing is wrong and dangerous, and if they know their boat will be sunk, they might stop doing it.

The current system doesn't work.

Seriously. Your argument is lame.

Most people leave their states illegally because of the fear of torture, inhumane treatment and/or death. It's not like they are in a position to wander into the nearest passport office and obtain travel documents. To take a huge risk that could take your life, you would have to have no life whatsoever in the first place.

To then suggest that we shoot these people's crafts, even if we throw a few rubber rings at them, and make sure that they haven't quite left the beach or harbour is ludicrous.

Threatening to sink boats carrying illegal immigrants is not going to stop them trying anyway. The kind of people, who are so desperate that they will cling to the underside of an aircraft or risk suffocation in the back of a vehicle will not be perturbed by this (ridiculous) threat.

Something does need to be done to prevent them trying such desperate measures to escape their country, but this laughable "solutuon" is not one of them.

The international community needs to do more to address the problems that give rise to people wanting to leave their homes in the first place, yes.

[Webbo]

Seriously. Your argument is lame.

Most people leave their states illegally because of the fear of torture, inhumane treatment and/or death. It's not like they are in a position to wander into the nearest passport office and obtain travel documents. To take a huge risk that could take your life, you would have to have no life whatsoever in the first place.

Come off it Lisa, I'm sure not even you believe that. Most immigrants come over to Europe to get a better life, and who can blame them?

[Zingari]

Seriously. Your argument is lame.

Most people leave their states illegally because of the fear of torture, inhumane treatment and/or death. It's not like they are in a position to wander into the nearest passport office and obtain travel documents. To take a huge risk that could take your life, you would have to have no life whatsoever in the first place.

To then suggest that we shoot these people's crafts, even if we throw a few rubber rings at them, and make sure that they haven't quite left the beach or harbour is ludicrous.

The international community needs to do more to address the problems that give rise to people wanting to leave their homes in the first place, yes.

perhaps Europe needs to go back to re colonising Africa , they didn't seem in such a rush to leave then

this is not meant seriously

[ob1kanobe0]

In their journal article from 2006 (International Migration, Border Controls and Human Rights: Assessing the Relevance of a Right to Mobility), Antoine Pécoud and Paul de Guchteneire quote a statement presented to the UN Secretary General in 2002, that says 3,000 migrants died between 1997 and 2000, most of whom died attempting to cross the Straits of Gibraltar. An earlier estimation that they quote gives a figure of 920 deaths between 1993 and 1997 trying to get into Europe.

So thousands don't die trying to enter UK territory. Europe as a whole, you might have an argument, but not "our lands".

Who said UK territory? Those thousands you mention are only the one's found too, and maybe the one's classed as dieing in EU waters. Could be 10 X EU figures??

[Dr The Singh]

Come off it Lisa, I'm sure not even you believe that. Most immigrants come over to Europe to get a better life, and who can blame them?

I must admit most immigrants I have known come for a better life.........Uk is most preferential because it's seen as a soft touch!!!!!!

[Guest]

Who said UK territory? Those thousands you mention are only the one's found too, and maybe the one's classed as dieing in EU waters. Could be 10 X EU figures??

You did.

No silly. Should we let people enter our shores illegally? Thousands die in those waters trying to enter our lands, should we stop their desperation?

The figures are an estimation, as are all figures based on illegal immigration, and are not a total of bodies found.

Come off it Lisa, I'm sure not even you believe that. Most immigrants come over to Europe to get a better life, and who can blame them?

Isn't fleeing torture counted as looking for a better life then?

I must admit most immigrants I have known come for a better life.........Uk is most preferential because it's seen as a soft touch!!!!!!

Enough of our own people thinks it's a soft touch!!

[ob1kanobe0]

Seriously. Your argument is lame.

Most people leave their states illegally because of the fear of torture, inhumane treatment and/or death. It's not like they are in a position to wander into the nearest passport office and obtain travel documents. To take a huge risk that could take your life, you would have to have no life whatsoever in the first place.

To then suggest that we shoot these people's crafts, even if we throw a few rubber rings at them, and make sure that they haven't quite left the beach or harbour is ludicrous.

The international community needs to do more to address the problems that give rise to people wanting to leave their homes in the first place, yes.

I realise its mid season and we're all anxious for august 8th, but whats with all this wrongfull assuming and emotional hysteria, "shoot the crafts", no one has said that. Whtas ludicrous Lisa, is you saying something that hasn't been said, therefore lame

It is not our fault they live in a land were their lives are at risk by their countrymen. Unfortunately, theres 10's of millions in that position around the world, do we just let them in? Who's going to work an extra 20 hours to pay for them? Do you want a countryside? Live in a 2up2down flat? Non stop traffic jams? 32,000 attendences? Bring em over, double city's capacity, sign Ronaldo, Yippee.

What should we do specifically Lisa?

[Webbo]

Isn't fleeing torture counted as looking for a better life then?

Of course it is but that isn't why most of them are coming over here, it's to earn a good living (by their standards). I'm sure most illegal immigrants would admit that to anyone except the immigration department.

[Guest]

I realise its mid season and we're all anxious for august 8th, but whats with all this wrongfull assuming and emotional hysteria, "shoot the crafts", no one has said that. Whtas ludicrous Lisa, is you saying something that hasn't been said, therefore lame

Er, hang on, aren't you the one being hysterical?

And what hasn't been said? How do you propose to sink these boats? Do they come with little plugs at the bottom, that if removed, will cause it to take on water?

It is not our fault they live in a land were their lives are at risk by their countrymen. Unfortunately, theres 10's of millions in that position around the world, do we just let them in? Who's going to work an extra 20 hours to pay for them? Do you want a countryside? Live in a 2up2down flat? Non stop traffic jams? 32,000 attendences? Bring em over, double city's capacity, sign Ronaldo, Yippee.

What should we do specifically Lisa?

Perhaps you should read everything I have posted in this thread, as I've already answered that one.

[Dr The Singh]

You did.

The figures are an estimation, as are all figures based on illegal immigration, and are not a total of bodies found.

Isn't fleeing torture counted as looking for a better life then?

Enough of our own people thinks it's a soft touch!!

So very true, we all know the consequences and we all are in it together, just to explain the lure of the UK, i've got 6 cousins in Italy, who were illegal immigrants but have been given permenant stay as per the recent anmesty to illegals, but that's not good enough those feckers still have there eye on the UK. It's not just that 6, it's all the fecking former illegals probably 10's of thousands that are dying to get an EU passport so they can come here. Reasons include, housing, social security, NHS, and the UK being softer on bringing spouses, family etc over from there native lands!!!!

[ob1kanobe0]

You did.

Isn't fleeing torture counted as looking for a better life then?

Enough of our own people thinks it's a soft touch!!

I didn't say UK shores, i did say our shores, i was referring to EU shores, because we're talking about what Mr Griffin said, he was talking about EU shores. Its not even boiling hot outside

Yes.

Yeah we need to sink some benefits Who's responsible for our own soft touch?

[Guest]

Of course it is but that isn't why most of them are coming over here, it's to earn a good living (by their standards). I'm sure most illegal immigrants would admit that to anyone except the immigration department.

Not most, some. Surely it would be better if those who come here to work are allowed to do so, and are allowed to pay income tax and national insurance, and pay their way like the rest of us. Just as many Brits decide to go and live and work abroad because they will earn a better living. Or is it only a one way thing?

But of course, those who do come here to work aren't the ones who are trying to get to the UK on little hand-made boats. Some of them travel overland in or under lorries. These are the people who use the agents and traffickers, and obtain false passports and visas, so Nick Griffin's methods of stopping them getting here isn't going to work with those. Unless he's planning on destroying all potential modes of entry into the EU, just in case.

[ob1kanobe0]

Er, hang on, aren't you the one being hysterical?

And what hasn't been said? How do you propose to sink these boats? Do they come with little plugs at the bottom, that if removed, will cause it to take on water?

Perhaps you should read everything I have posted in this thread, as I've already answered that one.

No. I was playing doctor to the waiting patient.

Some of the things you and others have said. Must admit, i cannot come up with a way of sinking the boats, but to assume you've read Mr Griffin's mind is emotional hysteria.

Read 6 pages, bad enough going through posts to me. Could you give me your gist?

[Webbo]

Not most, some. Surely it would be better if those who come here to work are allowed to do so, and are allowed to pay income tax and national insurance, and pay their way like the rest of us. Just as many Brits decide to go and live and work abroad because they will earn a better living. Or is it only a one way thing?

How is that fair to people who want to migrate here legally?What you are in effect doing is rewarding people for breaking the law.

As for British people who work abroad, that's up to the country that they move to to decide. That's none of my business.

[Guest]

So very true, we all know the consequences and we all are in it together, just to explain the lure of the UK, i've got 6 cousins in Italy, who were illegal immigrants but have been given permenant stay as per the recent anmesty to illegals, but that's not good enough those feckers still have there eye on the UK. It's not just that 6, it's all the fecking former illegals probably 10's of thousands that are dying to get an EU passport so they can come here. Reasons include, housing, social security, NHS, and the UK being softer on bringing spouses, family etc over from there native lands!!!!

Ha ha, and what these people don't realise is that they can only come to the UK from Italy with an Italian passport if they're self-sufficient Source. Contrary to popular belief, the only service they'll be able to access, as an EU citizen, is the NHS. You can only get social security benefits after working here for two years, I think it is.

I didn't say UK shores, i did say our shores, i was referring to EU shores, because we're talking about what Mr Griffin said, he was talking about EU shores. Its not even boiling hot outside

Yes.

Yeah we need to sink some benefits Who's responsible for our own soft touch?

We have enough people prepared to sponge off of the state amongst our own indigenous population. We always have done. It's our fault for allowing it to happen, and of course when word gets out, hey ho.....

[Salieri]

No. I was playing doctor to the waiting patient.

Some of the things you and others have said. Must admit, i cannot come up with a way of sinking the boats, but to assume you've read Mr Griffin's mind is emotional hysteria.

Read 6 pages, bad enough going through posts to me. Could you give me your gist?

Why should she? Because you can't be arsed to read through (and try to understand) whats been said?

[Dr The Singh]

How is that fair to people who want to migrate here legally?What you are in effect doing is rewarding people for breaking the law.

As for British people who work abroad, that's up to the country that they move to to decide. That's none of my business.

I an ideal world that would be ideal, to allow illegals the right to contiribute legally, but as a over stretched nation, we have to be very selective on who is allowed in and to control the influx, and more importantly remove those that shouldn't be here!!!

The government needs to decide the criteria and ensure those criteria's are met, and I feel most people's gripe is that the UK and it's government has no control!!!

[Guest]

No. I was playing doctor to the waiting patient.

Some of the things you and others have said. Must admit, i cannot come up with a way of sinking the boats, but to assume you've read Mr Griffin's mind is emotional hysteria.

Read 6 pages, bad enough going through posts to me. Could you give me your gist?

Ha ha ha ha ha!

How is that fair to people who want to migrate here legally?What you are in effect doing is rewarding people for breaking the law.

As for British people who work abroad, that's up to the country that they move to to decide. That's none of my business.

What I am saying is that these people should be allowed to come here legally, not illegally.

If you don't find it ironic that we have so many people leaving this country whilst on the other hand so many want to stop people coming here, then that's up to you.

[Koke]

So very true, we all know the consequences and we all are in it together, just to explain the lure of the UK, i've got 6 cousins in Italy, who were illegal immigrants but have been given permenant stay as per the recent anmesty to illegals, but that's not good enough those feckers still have there eye on the UK. It's not just that 6, it's all the fecking former illegals probably 10's of thousands that are dying to get an EU passport so they can come here. Reasons include, housing, social security, NHS, and the UK being softer on bringing spouses, family etc over from there native lands!!!!

I've got loads of distant cousins as well who migrated to Italy in the 1990-1992 when the civil war broke out, and they got Italian passport so they can freely roam around Europe as they see fit. That's why you see a lot of Somali lazy cunts who can barely speak English cos they are from mainland Europe [italy, Netherlands etc] and they all come here for the same reasons you've stated. <_<

[Dr The Singh]

Ha ha, and what these people don't realise is that they can only come to the UK from Italy with an Italian passport if they're self-sufficient Source. Contrary to popular belief, the only service they'll be able to access, as an EU citizen, is the NHS. You can only get social security benefits after working here for two years, I think it is.

We have enough people prepared to sponge off of the state amongst our own indigenous population. We always have done. It's our fault for allowing it to happen, and of course when word gets out, hey ho.....

So bloody true!

[Guest]

I an ideal world that would be ideal, to allow illegals the right to contiribute legally, but as a over stretched nation, we have to be very selective on who is allowed in and to control the influx, and more importantly remove those that shouldn't be here!!!

The government needs to decide the criteria and ensure those criteria's are met, and I feel most people's gripe is that the UK and it's government has no control!!!

The thing is, amidst the hysteria (which is apparently mine), the UK has toughened up it's borders.

The UK's new points based system and how it works.

The suspension of Tier 3 is interesting, as this is the category that many agricultural industries rely on come harvest, all the fruit pickers etc, those jobs that the locals don't want to do. Perhaps they'll have to this year!

[ob1kanobe0]

We have enough people prepared to sponge off of the state amongst our own indigenous population. We always have done. It's our fault for allowing it to happen, and of course when word gets out, hey ho.....

Why have you left out the immigrant benefit cheats?

[Webbo]

What I am saying is that these people should be allowed to come here legally, not illegally.

If you don't find it ironic that we have so many people leaving this country whilst on the other hand so many want to stop people coming here, then that's up to you.

So you'd just any one in? As many as want to? Where would we house them all?

What if thousands of Americans with severe medical problems that meant they couldn't contribute anything in the way of tax decided to emmigrate here to get free medical treatment?We should just pick up the tab and thank them for coming?

[Dr The Singh]

The thing is, amidst the hysteria (which is apparently mine), the UK has toughened up it's borders.

The UK's new points based system and how it works.

The suspension of Tier 3 is interesting, as this is the category that many agricultural industries rely on come harvest, all the fruit pickers etc, those jobs that the locals don't want to do. Perhaps they'll have to this year!

Unfortunately, point system or not, people have lost faith with the government being able to implement anything and make it work.

Even still, my cousin, who himself has only been in the country for 12 years,just last month has brought his mother to the UK on a visiting VISA and he applied for her to become a perm resident, and now she has a UK passport. The women has never contributed to this nation, and she recently told us about her FREE trip to the dentist....she gets a pension. This is tip of the iceberg, now he's bringing his brothers wife and kids over. There's nothing illegal in what he's doing, there's just ways of bending the rules, and according to him every fookers doing it!!!

When people like me and my parents hear about this, people who have contributed to this country for years, it really pisses you off, pionts system or no points system, there will be loop holes and believe me every fooker will be tapping into them!!