Jon the Hat Posted 16 July 2009 Posted 16 July 2009 I must admit most immigrants I have known come for a better life.........Uk is most preferential because it's seen as a soft touch!!!!!! You don't think the fact that so many immigrants speak passable English might lead them here? And this might be why north African immigrants tend to end up in France?
ob1kanobe0 Posted 16 July 2009 Posted 16 July 2009 Ha ha ha ha ha!What I am saying is that these people should be allowed to come here legally, not illegally. If you don't find it ironic that we have so many people leaving this country whilst on the other hand so many want to stop people coming here, then that's up to you. Are you saying we should have an open boarder? Tis ironic, something like 1 million people between 2005 and 2007 left britain for a better life. Shame brits wana leave british land. Encouraged to leave, giving the secetarial governers the chance to say we need immigrants to fill job vacancies. In time, what will social cohesion be like with all the nastiness that goes on today, wont be nice.
Guest Posted 16 July 2009 Posted 16 July 2009 Why have you left out the immigrant benefit cheats? Because I am illustrating a point. So you'd just any one in? As many as want to? Where would we house them all? What if thousands of Americans with severe medical problems that meant they couldn't contribute anything in the way of tax decided to emmigrate here to get free medical treatment?We should just pick up the tab and thank them for coming? They would only get free medical treatment if they had contributed via NI or if they also had an EU passport, so that's a silly question. As for the immigration question, for the sake of this argument, yes. I would rather have people here who wanted to work, as they would be contributing to society in more ways than one. I also don't believe that loosening our immigration policy would lead to a deluge of immigrants. When the A8 and the A2 nations joined the EU, there was a huge fear that millions would leave Eastern Europe, so much so that only the UK, Ireland and Sweden introduced workers schemes for these new EU citizens. Despite what you think, we haven't been totally overwhelmed by numbers.
Dr The Singh Posted 16 July 2009 Posted 16 July 2009 You don't think the fact that so many immigrants speak passable English might lead them here? And this might be why north African immigrants tend to end up in France? If you read what I have said Jon, I said most immigrants I have known, which are from the indian subcontinent, most know little or non english and as far as they are concerned, the best option is the one they can a: get perm status b: get most benefits. At this moment and time, it is very easy to get to eastern european nations and travel to italy. Italy is a good stopping point to get to the Uk!!
Guest Posted 16 July 2009 Posted 16 July 2009 Unfortunately, point system or not, people have lost faith with the government being able to implement anything and make it work. Even still, my cousin, who himself has only been in the country for 12 years,just last month has brought his mother to the UK on a visiting VISA and he applied for her to become a perm resident, and now she has a UK passport. The women has never contributed to this nation, and she recently told us about her FREE trip to the dentist....she gets a pension. This is tip of the iceberg, now he's bringing his brothers wife and kids over. There's nothing illegal in what he's doing, there's just ways of bending the rules, and according to him every fookers doing it!!! When people like me and my parents hear about this, people who have contributed to this country for years, it really pisses you off, pionts system or no points system, there will be loop holes and believe me every fooker will be tapping into them!! Unfortunately this happens, but you can't make a person of pensionable age work, and similarly, we can't stop British passport holders from bringing in immediate family. But it winds me up just as much when girls off of council estates get pregnant at 15/16 just to get themselves a council house. They aren't just sponging for themselves, but they're creating another person for the likes of us to subsidise. Are you saying we should have an open boarder?Tis ironic, something like 1 million people between 2005 and 2007 left britain for a better life. Shame brits wana leave british land. Encouraged to leave, giving the secetarial governers the chance to say we need immigrants to fill job vacancies. In time, what will social cohesion be like with all the nastiness that goes on today, wont be nice. Do you think that migration is a new phenomenon? Like I posted to Babyfox last night, when do you think the first mass migration to the UK was?
Webbo Posted 16 July 2009 Posted 16 July 2009 They would only get free medical treatment if they had contributed via NI or if they also had an EU passport, so that's a silly question. Even still, my cousin, who himself has only been in the country for 12 years,just last month has brought his mother to the UK on a visiting VISA and he applied for her to become a perm resident, and now she has a UK passport. The women has never contributed to this nation, and she recently told us about her FREE trip to the dentist....she gets a pension.
Guest Posted 16 July 2009 Posted 16 July 2009 If you read what I have said Jon, I said most immigrants I have known, which are from the indian subcontinent, most know little or non english and as far as they are concerned, the best option is the one they can a: get perm status b: get most benefits. At this moment and time, it is very easy to get to eastern european nations and travel to italy. Italy is a good stopping point to get to the Uk!! Italy and Spain have had a number of amnesties for illegals over the years, and are likely to continue to do so.
Jon the Hat Posted 16 July 2009 Posted 16 July 2009 So you'd just any one in? As many as want to? Where would we house them all? What if thousands of Americans with severe medical problems that meant they couldn't contribute anything in the way of tax decided to emmigrate here to get free medical treatment?We should just pick up the tab and thank them for coming? As an academic point, if we let everyone in, removed the right to free NHS treatment (the ONLY BENEFIT ACCESSIBLE TO ALL for those too stupid to listen to Lisa) how long do you think they would all stay? When there were no jobs or affordable places to live? The issue of rights of family members to come and join those who have become resident is a tricky one. My Wife is an Aussie and has permanent residence (busy propping up the NHS) as my wife. Whether someone who comes here to work and earns their residence or citizenship that way should have the same rights as me with regard to being the sponsor of others to come is really a big question. If not then you are effectively creating a two tier citizenship with those born in the Uk and those not. Dangerous stuff.
Guest Posted 16 July 2009 Posted 16 July 2009 They would only get free medical treatment if they had contributed via NI or if they also had an EU passport, so that's a silly question.Even still, my cousin, who himself has only been in the country for 12 years,just last month has brought his mother to the UK on a visiting VISA and he applied for her to become a perm resident, and now she has a UK passport. The women has never contributed to this nation, and she recently told us about her FREE trip to the dentist....she gets a pension. A British passport is an EU passport.
Webbo Posted 16 July 2009 Posted 16 July 2009 As an academic point, if we let everyone in, removed the right to free NHS treatment (the ONLY BENEFIT ACCESSIBLE TO ALL for those too stupid to listen to Lisa) how long do you think they would all stay? When there were no jobs or affordable places to live? Well apparently they are only coming here to avoid torture so they'd probably all stay. I'm not anti-immigrant, I don't blame anyone for wanting to improve their life, but please don't expect me to swallow all this cock and bull about how they're coming over here to do us all a favour. They are over here for their own benefit. Just because there are lazy British people claiming benefits (which I would stop if I could) doesn't make it acceptable for immigrants to do the same. Immigration is not the win win situation that some on here are pretending it is.
Webbo Posted 16 July 2009 Posted 16 July 2009 A British passport is an EU passport. And an American can't apply for a UK passport?
Guest Posted 16 July 2009 Posted 16 July 2009 Well apparently they are only coming here to avoid torture so they'd probably all stay. I'm not anti-immigrant, I don't blame anyone for wanting to improve their life, but please don't expect me to swallow all this cock and bull about how they're coming over here to do us all a favour. They are over here for their own benefit. Just because there are lazy British people claiming benefits (which I would stop if I could) doesn't make it acceptable for immigrants to do the same. Immigration is not the win win situation that some on here are pretending it is. It's also not the biggest evil to face our time, like some suggest. If some are going to use an extreme argument, they should expect the other extreme back at them.
BoneDog Posted 16 July 2009 Posted 16 July 2009 Well thats pretty much true as India is very under developed in comparison to the UK That may be true for now, but India is on the verge of being a superpower. They have the 2nd largest population in the world (about 5 times as many people as the USA) and are getting stronger politically and militarily. Yes, they have alot of poor areas but they also have enormous wealth out there. India will soon have massive clout on the world stage
BoneDog Posted 16 July 2009 Posted 16 July 2009 He didn't say that, he said sink boats carrying illegals just after they leave shore, throw them a lifeline to enable them to get back to shore, that way the people there can see that they can't break the law easily. Why not just surround the boat with police or whoever and bring them back to shore instead? Would be alot simpler than sinking it !
Daggers Posted 16 July 2009 Posted 16 July 2009 Seeing as most illegals get in on the backs of lorries, we ought to just do stuff to their tyres. This would have the added benefit of tackling the rates of prostitute murder.
BoneDog Posted 16 July 2009 Posted 16 July 2009 You've taken what he said to an emotional extreme. He's not asking Rambo to do it The illegals see europe as a pot of gold. They're taking a life risking gamble for that gold. Mr Griffin is trying to get the message to them that what they're doing is wrong and dangerous, and if they know their boat will be sunk, they might stop doing it. The current system doesn't work. The only reason the current system doesn't work is cos we have a few powerful gangs with connections in high places that make alot of money from this smuggling trade. Majority of the 'illegals' are brought into the country by these gangs. There are two main reasons for their allowed entry. One is money and I'm not gonna mention the other cos we'll move into 'conspiracy' territory again and I'll get slated
BoneDog Posted 16 July 2009 Posted 16 July 2009 I know the coast guard have radar which detects the majority of these boats anyway.You will find that most illegals will try and travel via a back of a lorry not a ship. You will never be able to stop people from trying to cross our borders thats life, like you will never stop the CIA from smuggling drugs. Its just you have to accept that our shores aren't overrun by illegals like your made to believe. Correct Jehst
BoneDog Posted 16 July 2009 Posted 16 July 2009 What I am saying is that these people should be allowed to come here legally, not illegally.If you don't find it ironic that we have so many people leaving this country whilst on the other hand so many want to stop people coming here, then that's up to you. Good point, I'm sure I read somewhere a couple of years ago that we have more people actually emigrate from Britain than we have coming in.
BoneDog Posted 16 July 2009 Posted 16 July 2009 Why have you left out the immigrant benefit cheats? If a system has loopholes then they will get exploited by all kinds of people. I know loads of white English benefit cheats. And I bet that they are in the majority of benefit cheats. It's not just the so called 'lower' classes who make money illegally, there's cheats and thieves in all classes, it's just a part of life but the 'lower' class is always frowned upon more and mostly blamed for our problems. The fact is that most of our taxes disappear in other ways, not mainly because of benefit cheats. Yes they get alot but not a high percentage. We all contribute more than enough to have a perfect society for all but because of corruption at the top it doesn't happen.
ob1kanobe0 Posted 16 July 2009 Posted 16 July 2009 Because I am illustrating a point.As for the immigration question, for the sake of this argument, yes. I would rather have people here who wanted to work, as they would be contributing to society in more ways than one. I also don't believe that loosening our immigration policy would lead to a deluge of immigrants. When the A8 and the A2 nations joined the EU, there was a huge fear that millions would leave Eastern Europe, so much so that only the UK, Ireland and Sweden introduced workers schemes for these new EU citizens. Despite what you think, we haven't been totally overwhelmed by numbers. And your point is? Where we'd be sunk (pardon the pun) by immigration or not, the first rule of government is to protect the nations people, therefore, having a policy whereby 100million could enter our country and destroy it, is wrong. There has to come a point whereby you say a certain number is enough and no more are allowed in.
ob1kanobe0 Posted 16 July 2009 Posted 16 July 2009 Why not just surround the boat with police or whoever and bring them back to shore instead? Would be alot simpler than sinking it ! Because that wont stop them from trying again.
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ob1kanobe0 Posted 16 July 2009 Posted 16 July 2009 The only reason the current system doesn't work is cos we have a few powerful gangs with connections in high places that make alot of money from this smuggling trade. Majority of the 'illegals' are brought into the country by these gangs.There are two main reasons for their allowed entry. One is money and I'm not gonna mention the other cos we'll move into 'conspiracy' territory again and I'll get slated So a powerful government like ours, and/or the powerfull EU isn't capable of stopping illegals, or worse still, they're letting them in. Thus, our taxes are being wasted. Maybe the tax payer ought to pay others to prevent/stop crime?
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