Sink immigrants' boats - Griffin

[Guest]

Your first paragrahp explains exactly why Mr griffin's example is a good suggestion. What do you do to a dog that wont let go? What do we do to people who persistantly break the law? Should we let the dog keep biting, let the people keep robbing.

So you don't believe theres any nationality on earth? What do you describe yourself as? Much of your culture is from 1400 years ago?

So calling you a moronic idiot is ok?

My first paragraph does not endorse Griffin's suggestion. My first paragraph is suggesting that if we made things more accessible, they lose the appeal. A bit like parents forbidding their 14 year old child from going to the park and getting pissed on cheap cider. What's the first thing the child does?

One other thing, and sorry if this is pedantic, but once an immigrant has entered the country illegally, they have broken the law just the once. It's not like you can repeatedly enter the UK illegally. If you are caught, you'll only get charged with the one offence, not a separate charge for each day or month here.

I also find it interesting that you call the illegal immigrants "robbers" (again I could be pedantic, but won't.... ). Surely we, as a society, have to look at ourselves as part of the reason for this. You need to ask yourself why employers are taking a risk in employing people to work for them at such a low wage.

I've been trying to find a link, but can't, but in the US the illegal immigrants talked of striking. They knew that if they did, a lot of goods and services would not be produced, and that it would cause disruption. In the end, they didn't strike, and the US government didn't have its crackdown.

If you are talking about benefits, then contrary to popular belief, illegal immigrants do not claim benefits; if they bring themselves forward to the authorities, they run a high risk of being caught, sent to prison and then deported. That's not to say a minority do try it, but the numbers will be insignificant compared to the fraudsters that come from our own population. But you will need contacts to get you the right paperwork, and you will need money to buy it....

Nationality is a name. You can change your nationality. This is why I don't understand jingoism. At the end of the day, people are people, and there are good and bad people from all walks of society.

I do know that Lisa!!

Just to clarify my cousins in Italy are different to the one that has just called his mum over and has just called his siter in law over. Just to add, his mum is now calling her sisters and brothers over, one is quite ill, and she is calling her over on a visitor VISA, and then getting her treated on the NHS under her name!!!

No, it was Webbo trying to pick a hole in my argument, not you!!

If those were my relatives, I would still shop them! An anonymous call, and all that.....

[Dr The Singh]

My first paragraph does not endorse Griffin's suggestion. My first paragraph is suggesting that if we made things more accessible, they lose the appeal. A bit like parents forbidding their 14 year old child from going to the park and getting pissed on cheap cider. What's the first thing the child does?

One other thing, and sorry if this is pedantic, but once an immigrant has entered the country illegally, they have broken the law just the once. It's not like you can repeatedly enter the UK illegally. If you are caught, you'll only get charged with the one offence, not a separate charge for each day or month here.

I also find it interesting that you call the illegal immigrants "robbers" (again I could be pedantic, but won't.... ). Surely we, as a society, have to look at ourselves as part of the reason for this. You need to ask yourself why employers are taking a risk in employing people to work for them at such a low wage.

I've been trying to find a link, but can't, but in the US the illegal immigrants talked of striking. They knew that if they did, a lot of goods and services would not be produced, and that it would cause disruption. In the end, they didn't strike, and the US government didn't have its crackdown.

If you are talking about benefits, then contrary to popular belief, illegal immigrants do not claim benefits; if they bring themselves forward to the authorities, they run a high risk of being caught, sent to prison and then deported. That's not to say a minority do try it, but the numbers will be insignificant compared to the fraudsters that come from our own population. But you will need contacts to get you the right paperwork, and you will need money to buy it....

Nationality is a name. You can change your nationality. This is why I don't understand jingoism. At the end of the day, people are people, and there are good and bad people from all walks of society.

No, it was Webbo trying to pick a hole in my argument, not you!!

If those were my relatives, I would still shop them! An anonymous call, and all that.....

They've been shopped Lees, unfortunately there not breaking any laws, it's not illegal for people to come to the Uk on a holiday\visitng VISA and apply for stay, and unfortunately the UK doesn't do health checks\DNA chaecks for new residents, so if my aunt's sister does come over, she could go into any hospital as my aunt and get treatment!! On getting the rest of there families to the UK, again there not breaking any laws, they play the system, so in effect, bringing this one person over will bring atleast 20 others and circle continues!!

I did confront my cousin and told him I thought he was taking the piss in bringing his brother's wife and kids over, as they are perfectly fine and happy in the poooonjab,.......he just told me that other people are doing it, so why shouldn't he and that if it was me wouldn't I want to bring my family over for a better life!!!

For a while, I did think I would do the same, but it's not me, and I think our country has enough problems then the half of the foooking poooonjab comming over to settle here aint' gonna make it better!!!!

[Tabou]

I bet there is the same conversation going of on Valencia F.C's forum.

"Shoot the British Immigrant Easy Jet flights out of the sky before they take all the jobs in Benidorm".

The easy way to stop worrying levels of immigration is to say "Look, we have shit weather, below par services, according to the Daily Mail 400 billion people will be out of work in the UK by 4pm, and we have more violent crime than the Helmand Province."

Pretty accurate I'd say.

[Guest]

They've been shopped Lees, unfortunately there not breaking any laws, it's not illegal for people to come to the Uk on a holiday\visitng VISA and apply for stay, and unfortunately the UK doesn't do health checks\DNA chaecks for new residents, so if my aunt's sister does come over, she could go into any hospital as my aunt and get treatment!! On getting the rest of there families to the UK, again there not breaking any laws, they play the system, so in effect, bringing this one person over will bring atleast 20 others and circle continues!!

I did confront my cousin and told him I thought he was taking the piss in bringing his brother's wife and kids over, as they are perfectly fine and happy in the poooonjab,.......he just told me that other people are doing it, so why shouldn't he and that if it was me wouldn't I want to bring my family over for a better life!!!

For a while, I did think I would do the same, but it's not me, and I think our country has enough problems then the half of the foooking poooonjab comming over to settle here aint' gonna make it better!!!!

I know bringing relatives in is ok, and the NHS will treat anyone. You can have treatment under any name, but you can't pass yourself off as someone else, and there is an offence of obtaining prescription medication fraudulently. There is also a danger that by pretending to be someone else can lead to a misdiagnosis later on one or the other.

The NHS can treat anyone for a medical emergency, and should only charge for pre-existing conditions, but the reality is that they rarely do the checks. Rather than lying, you might as well be honest, as the chances are you won't be charged for medical treatment.

Both ways are wrong, but that's down to the NHS to sort out.

[James.]

The easy way to stop worrying levels of immigration is to say "Look, we have shit weather, below par services, according to the Daily Mail 400 billion people will be out of work in the UK by 4pm, and we have more violent crime than the Helmand Province."

Not to mention the fact we're full. Like, properly full. I had to literally walk across 10 million Asians lying 3 deep on Whitechapel High Road today just to get to work!

We're full and our country is shit.

[Dr The Singh]

I bet there is the same conversation going of on Valencia F.C's forum.

"Shoot the British Immigrant Easy Jet flights out of the sky before they take all the jobs in Benidorm".

The easy way to stop worrying levels of immigration is to say "Look, we have shit weather, below par services, according to the Daily Mail 400 billion people will be out of work in the UK by 4pm, and we have more violent crime than the Helmand Province."

Pretty accurate I'd say.

It's funny you should say that because in the pooonjab there moaning about the mass influx of immigrants from bihar, orrisa and UP, and yet they don't see anything wrong with them migrating somewhere else!!!

[Guest]

I bet there is the same conversation going of on Valencia F.C's forum.

"Shoot the British Immigrant Easy Jet flights out of the sky before they take all the jobs in Benidorm".

The easy way to stop worrying levels of immigration is to say "Look, we have shit weather, below par services, according to the Daily Mail 400 billion people will be out of work in the UK by 4pm, and we have more violent crime than the Helmand Province."

Pretty accurate I'd say.

[Dr The Singh]

I know bringing relatives in is ok, and the NHS will treat anyone. You can have treatment under any name, but you can't pass yourself off as someone else, and there is an offence of obtaining prescription medication fraudulently. There is also a danger that by pretending to be someone else can lead to a misdiagnosis later on one or the other.

The NHS can treat anyone for a medical emergency, and should only charge for pre-existing conditions, but the reality is that they rarely do the checks. Rather than lying, you might as well be honest, as the chances are you won't be charged for medical treatment.

Both ways are wrong, but that's down to the NHS to sort out.

Other then emergencies, the NHS does charge visitors to the UK, and recently they have become quite strict on this!!

[Guest]

Other then emergencies, the NHS does charge visitors to the UK, and recently they have become quite strict on this!!

Have they? The latest bits I read was that nurses and doctors couldn't be bothered to call in the administrators who then couldn't be bothered to fill in the paperwork!! But that was last year. Maybe they're taking on board public opinion.

[Tabou]

Not to mention the fact we're full. Like, properly full. I had to literally walk across 10 million Asians lying 3 deep on Whitechapel High Road today just to get to work!

We're full and our country is shit.

Tell me about it. I got home last night, at 6pm after a hard days graft for a quintessentially British firm, only to be comfronted with a horror to end all horrors.

Where my traditional, British, Victorian house once stood, there was a Mosque.

Bastards.

EDIT: About 3 spelling mistakes there. Obviously as a result of there being no school places left for White Kids.

[Dr The Singh]

Have they? The latest bits I read was that nurses and doctors couldn't be bothered to call in the administrators who then couldn't be bothered to fill in the paperwork!! But that was last year. Maybe they're taking on board public opinion.

The NHS have gone so far as to hire collection agencies to get there money, as you can imagine many do not have the funds to hand and many give false details!!

[Webbo]

I would like to put a point to BlabyFox and the like.

Why is it, that non-english-speaking, unqualified immigrants are able to do better in interviews than 'Native White People', when on the topic of them "Taking Our Jobs".

Ooooooooooooooohhhhhh thats a question.

Not a hard 1 to answer, they work for below minimum wage in illegal conditions.

No, it was Webbo trying to pick a hole in my argument, not you!!

And doing a damn fine job at it too. If you ever want to become a barrister you could do worse than studying my posts.

[Guest]

And doing a damn fine job at it too. If you ever want to become a barrister you could do worse than studying my posts.

You're wasted where you are. You should be glossing over your achievements.

[Tabou]

Not a hard 1 to answer, they work for below minimum wage in illegal conditions.

And doing a damn fine job at it too. If you ever want to become a barrister you could do worse than studying my posts.

So would why not get "British" people working in the same conditions?! Minimum wage is a luxury, not a right.

My issue with all this bollocks is that for every immigrant coming here, taking jobs, using our services etc, there is a chavved up slag getting sprogged up at 16 to get herself a council house, £100 p/w benefits and DSS Housing Benefit, moaning about her own sorry state of affairs whilst continuing to smoke 20 fags a day.

My answer? Live and let live. Immigrants in this country have absolutely NO detrimental affect on my way of life. It doesn't affect me. It doesn't concern me. Why? Because I worked hard at school, work hard in my job (sometimes), don't get myself into debt, don't take drugs (anymore ) and don't let narrow minded, biggoted individuals with more tatoos than braincells, influence my opinion on matters. I therefore do not need to rely on the state to support me.

In the words of the wise old MeerKat, Alexandresss- "SIMPLESSSS!"

[Webbo]

Minimum wage is a luxury, not a right.

I think you'll find that it is, whether that's a good thing or not is another argument.

[Tabou]

I think you'll find that it is, whether that's a good thing or not is another argument.

I know that it is a 'right' in the UK (poor choice of phrase on my behalf). I mean in context. Would somebody who is so far under the poverty line turn down a job based on the fact it was £3 p/h, and therefore 'Not worth it'.

If they did, do they deserve a job?!

[Dr The Singh]

So would why not get "British" people working in the same conditions?! Minimum wage is a luxury, not a right.

My issue with all this bollocks is that for every immigrant coming here, taking jobs, using our services etc, there is a chavved up slag getting sprogged up at 16 to get herself a council house, £100 p/w benefits and DSS Housing Benefit, moaning about her own sorry state of affairs whilst continuing to smoke 20 fags a day.

My answer? Live and let live. Immigrants in this country have absolutely NO detrimental affect on my way of life. It doesn't affect me. It doesn't concern me. Why? Because I worked hard at school, work hard in my job (sometimes), don't get myself into debt, don't take drugs (anymore ) and don't let narrow minded, biggoted individuals with more tatoos than braincells, influence my opinion on matters. I therefore do not need to rely on the state to support me.

In the words of the wise old MeerKat, Alexandresss- "SIMPLESSSS!"

Totally agree, but it doesn't mean it's right, and if our nation had the resources to accomodate the world then so be it, but it's not the case. Although I believe skilled immigration is vital, the government should do alot more to get those on the dole, those who are getting benefits illegally back to work!!!!

[Webbo]

I know that it is a 'right' in the UK (poor choice of phrase on my behalf). I mean in context. Would somebody who is so far under the poverty line turn down a job based on the fact it was £3 p/h, and therefore 'Not worth it'.

If they did, do they deserve a job?!

Agreed.

[Tabou]

Totally agree, but it doesn't mean it's right, and if our nation had the resources to accomodate the world then so be it, but it's not the case. Although I believe skilled immigration is vital, the government should do alot more to get those on the dole, those who are getting benefits illegally back to work!!!!

Totally agree. Starting with the 'indeginous' population. What's that, up the duff? Can you still use a keyboard? Yes? Great. Data Input job.

Got an Asbo, attitude problem, and no qualifications? Into the army for you.

Which brings me onto my next point, National Service. Very very old fashioned yes, but it it was mandatory for immigrants to serve 6 months or whatever, doing National Service, we would certainly get rid of the freeloaders, and only attract people who genuinely immigrate (yes that's a word) to seek a better life.

I would also like to point out that National Service doesn't just mean going to fight in Iraq.

[davieG]

I sense the idea of a film

[ob1kanobe0]

I have only two points to make on the subject.

Firstly, I would not worry too much about immigrants trying to come over here trying to make a better life for themselves. If people contribute to society we should welcome them. If they are not looking to contribute then they should not be welcome, but nor should the generations of our own population who are sponging fookers. I'd love to know what percentage of our great indigenous people never work.

Secondly, if Mr Griffin gets his way and the boats are sunk. Do the dinghies offered to get the people back to shore also get sunk? If so, i'm opening a dinghy repair business.

This subject is not about legal immigrants. Are you happy for illegals to come here and contribute?

Would you love to know what percentage of our great sponging fooker immigrants never work?

[coale39]

I sense the idea of a film

Is that Mandaric pointing the way?

[ob1kanobe0]

My first paragraph does not endorse Griffin's suggestion. My first paragraph is suggesting that if we made things more accessible, they lose the appeal.

If we made things more accessible, it'll make things easier for illegals to break our laws.

If we sink their boats, they wont break our laws and thousands wont die trying to get here.

I also find it interesting that you call the illegal immigrants "robbers" (again I could be pedantic, but won't.... ). Surely we, as a society, have to look at ourselves as part of the reason for this. You need to ask yourself why employers are taking a risk in employing people to work for them at such a low wage.

Why is it my fault?

The "conspiracy" version is that the government are creating unrest, so that they can create Ordo ab chao (order out of chaos). Our history is litered with created chaos and order resumed, 2 world wars, veitnam, the napoleonic war, the current 2 wars etc etc

So anything that they can call "being liberal", that they know a decent part of society will dislike, has the potential for chaos. People like you and me on the ground floor just do the best we can within the madness, thus cheap labour. If we had a proper government, we wouldn't have 90% of the crime that goes on.

I've been trying to find a link, but can't, but in the US the illegal immigrants talked of striking. They knew that if they did, a lot of goods and services would not be produced, and that it would cause disruption. In the end, they didn't strike, and the US government didn't have its crackdown.

Ive heard about that. America wouldn't collapse because the illegals wont work wouldn't even suffer.

Nationality is a name. You can change your nationality. This is why I don't understand jingoism.

What do you describe yourself as?

[coale39]

Ive heard about that. America wouldn't collapse because the illegals wont work wouldn't even suffer.

[Guest]

If we made things more accessible, it'll make things easier for illegals to break our laws.

If we sink their boats, they wont break our laws and thousands wont die trying to get here.

No. If immigration rules are loosened, people don't have to break the law to get into a country, as they have more chance of doing it legitimately. Tight immigration controls become a challenge. It also gives the impression that there is something worth protecting, and so it becomes more attractive to the person outside looking in.

Why is it my fault?

The "conspiracy" version is that the government are creating unrest, so that they can create Ordo ab chao (order out of chaos). Our history is litered with created chaos and order resumed, 2 world wars, veitnam, the napoleonic war, the current 2 wars etc etc

So anything that they can call "being liberal", that they know a decent part of society will dislike, has the potential for chaos. People like you and me on the ground floor just do the best we can within the madness, thus cheap labour. If we had a proper government, we wouldn't have 90% of the crime that goes on.

You have totally misunderstood this. It's "our" fault because of economics, pure and simple. "We" want everything cheaper all the time, and some employers will cut costs by illegally employing people below minimum wage to maximise their profit margin.

Ive heard about that. America wouldn't collapse because the illegals wont work wouldn't even suffer.

If that's what you believe, fair enough. The US decided not to take the risk though.

What do you describe yourself as?

Human.