Another Part of Leicester's Heritage disappears.....

[Guest Bilo]

Yet again you fall into the trap set by the council, of course it's an eyesore any building not maintained becomes an eyesore and the council are solely to blame for that just like they are for many other historical buildings.

The truth is behind the scandalously neglected pealing paintwork lies a unique piece of engineering.

It amazes me that University that gave me my education in engineering can find it so easy to wipe away it's very existence.

It would be better if the bridge could be restored and incorporated into the design of the new facility, that much I do agree with, but if that solution is uneconomic or unviable for architectural reasons I would much rather see a larger and better equipped replacement for the JSSC. I find it strange that no-one has mentioned what an eyesore the JSSC is itself with its peeling paintwork and dated design. As a reasonably regular user of its facilities in term time, I can see the need for its replacement.

[Ultra]

I shan't waste my time responding to this slanderous rubbish, just to say there's very few people in my 60 years that I've met that I haven't some found common ground and struck up a decent meaningful relationship but if we ever cross paths again please don't acknowledge my presence because I certainly will not acknowledge yours.

The fact you choose to condemn me, instead of the bigot, tells us all we need to know.

If I ever see you in a pub again, I won't enter it.

End of.

[lou]

Id like to preserve the Pump and Tap and the Bowstring bridge and that makes me a racist and facist??!! Did I miss something here? :eek:

DavieG.......... can you let me know when the next Neo Nazi meeting is....... Id like to come with you? lol

[davieG]

It would be better if the bridge could be restored and incorporated into the design of the new facility, that much I do agree with, but if that solution is uneconomic or unviable for architectural reasons I would much rather see a larger and better equipped replacement for the JSSC. I find it strange that no-one has mentioned what an eyesore the JSSC is itself with its peeling paintwork and dated design. As a reasonably regular user of its facilities in term time, I can see the need for its replacement.

Having a replacement for the JSSC and maintaining the bridge are surely not mutually exclusive. It's an easy and cosy option that the DMU and the Council have created.

But as my opposition to this has resulted in me being called a racist, a redneck, a Stormfront sympathiser, as someone who wants to turn the clock back 50 years, a budding editor for a local Daily Heil I guess it's time to bail out of this argument before I'm accused of being the love child of Pol Pot and Myra Hindley.

[Guest Bilo]

Id like to preserve the Pump and Tap and the Bowstring bridge and that makes me a racist and facist??!! Did I miss something here? :eek:

DavieG.......... can you let me know when the next Neo Nazi meeting is....... Id like to come with you? lol

Same place as where the neo-con Zionist administrators meet to film the moon landings and plot world domination I imagine.

Apologies to whoever cracked that joke first by the way.

[davieG]

The fact you choose to condemn me, instead of the bigot, tells us all we need to know.

If I ever see you in a pub again, I won't enter it.

End of.

I don't feel the need to spend my time patrolling the internet looking for people to condemn for their views I have mine and they have theirs, my conscience about my beliefs are very clear. I have enough trust in people to allow them to make their own judgement on what people post.

I choose to condemn you because you chose to make a personal attack on me by your slanderous statement regarding my beliefs if you can't tell the difference then that tells me all I need to know about you.

But then you have a history of insulting people when you're losing an argument on here so no surprise there.

My last words to you.

[Joe.]

Ultra, that post on Bentley's is hardly racist. Aside from that final line, most of it is absolutely true. Just how often do you walk the streets of town? I know exactly how that bloke feels personally. I definitely won't be on my own either when I say this.

[Guest Bilo]

Having a replacement for the JSSC and maintaining the bridge are surely not mutually exclusive. It's an easy and cosy option that the DMU and the Council have created.

But as my opposition to this has resulted in me being called a racist, a redneck, a Stormfront sympathiser, as someone who wants to turn the clock back 50 years, a budding editor for a local Daily Heil I guess it's time to bail out of this argument before I'm accused of being the love child of Pol Pot and Myra Hindley.

I do agree that all of those accusations are more than a little out of order to be honest.

In fact, I'd say they were well out of line Ultra in all honesty. The diplomat in me says an apology is in order, seeing as the link between preserving the bridge and right-wing extremism is even more tenuous than the link between opposition to the Gandhi statue and Sikh separatism.

DavieG has posted NOTHING that conforms to any of the stereotypes you've attributed to him and I feel you've been more than a little unfair.

[lou]

Ultra, that post on Bentley's is hardly racist. Aside from that final line, most of it is absolutely true. Just how often do you walk the streets of town? I know exactly how that bloke feels personally. I definitely won't be on my own either when I say this.

What did he say? How the hell did we get from a pub and a bridge to race?

[Guest Bilo]

What did he say? How the hell did we get from a pub and a bridge to race?

I blame the summer.

Roll on the football season.

[Ultra]

Ultra, that post on Bentley's is hardly racist. Aside from that final line, most of it is absolutely true. Just how often do you walk the streets of town? I know exactly how that bloke feels personally. I definitely won't be on my own either when I say this.

It's complete racist, lying bullsh!t. I live in the city and walk its streets every day. If you feel threatened by the idea of racial and cultural diversity, then maybe neither the city, or its football team, are for you.

But I will concede that, as you live in a notorious white-flight area (with a strong BNP presence), you aren't alone in your views.

Doesn't mean those views are right, though...

[Ultra]

I do agree that all of those accusations are more than a little out of order to be honest.

In fact, I'd say they were well out of line Ultra in all honesty. The diplomat in me says an apology is in order, seeing as the link between preserving the bridge and right-wing extremism is even more tenuous than the link between opposition to the Gandhi statue and Sikh separatism.

DavieG has posted NOTHING that conforms to any of the stereotypes you've attributed to him and I feel you've been more than a little unfair.

You only have to look back through the pages of this thread, let alone Bentley's Roof or the Mercury site to see the elements attracted to the campaign to save the bridge.

Is that cause likely to be helped by having Lush/Ob1kanobe0 on board? I wouldn't have thought so.

DavieG accuses me of "slanderous comments" (perhaps he should ask Lisa to explain to him what constitutes "slanderous"). Yet he was the first to engage in smear tactics, when making untrue comments about the relationship between the City Council and DMU. As such, the responsibility for escalatiing and inflaming the discussions on this topic lies primarily with him.

I don't believe it's in this board's interest, or that of the club we claim to support, to stand idly by, when virulent racist propaganda is posted on ANY website with allegiances to Leicester City.

Racism blights lives, wrecks communities and ultimately has far more damaging consequences for a city than either demolition or preservation of certain buildings.

It beggars belief that I should have to argue the case against racism in 2009. Unfortunately, however, the reason for having to do so is because whenever people appear oin cyberspace to present the counter-argument, some folk (even uni graduates ) prefer to indulge rather than condemn them.

In my daily life, I have no issues with being challenged and held to account - it goes with the job that I do.

Unfortunately other folk in positions of authority seem very uncomfortable with being challenged. They delight in dishing out stick, yet squeal when it is handed back to them.

Such hypocrisy should not be tolerated any more than racism.

[Koke]

I don't agree with that Bentley's post, but it was hardly racism. Although that last line was really out of order.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

You only have to look back through the pages of this thread, let alone Bentley's Roof or the Mercury site to see the elements attracted to the campaign to save the bridge.

Is that cause likely to be helped by having Lush/Ob1kanobe0 on board? I wouldn't have thought so.

DavieG accuses me of "slanderous comments" (perhaps he should ask Lisa to explain to him what constitutes "slanderous"). Yet he was the first to engage in smear tactics, when making untrue comments about the relationship between the City Council and DMU. As such, the responsibility for escalatiing and inflaming the discussions on this topic lies primarily with him.

I don't believe it's in this board's interest, or that of the club we claim to support, to stand idly by, when virulent racist propaganda is posted on ANY website with allegiances to Leicester City.

Racism blights lives, wrecks communities and ultimately has far more damaging consequences for a city than either demolition or preservation of certain buildings.

It beggars belief that I should have to argue the case against racism in 2009. Unfortunately, however, the reason for having to do so is because whenever people appear oin cyberspace to present the counter-argument, some folk (even uni graduates ) prefer to indulge rather than condemn them.

In my daily life, I have no issues with being challenged and held to account - it goes with the job that I do.

Unfortunately other folk in positions of authority seem very uncomfortable with being challenged. They delight in dishing out stick, yet squeal when it is handed back to them.

Such hypocrisy should not be tolerated any more than racism.

This post is the biggest load of tripe I have ever read.

The only racism related to the post you quote, was in your ridiculous reply, which spouted inverted racism.

Why should Aylestone Park have had it's name changed?

When the time comes for the mosques to be pulled in the future, the first thing people like you will say is that it is racism. I suspect your avertion to innocuous comments, is due to your retarded mentality.

[MPH]

A post on Bentley's Roof betrays the true agenda of many behind the "save the bridge" campaign.

It's disappointing and depressing that the Stormfront tendency is alive and well and flourishing within a section of our fan base.

Sadly only ONE person on that board saw fit to correct either the repulsive racism or the poisonous lies that lay within that post. Others (including, sadly, Davie G ) either APPLAUDED it or turned a blind eye.

The issues at stake have gone way beyond the fate of one rusty, decaying bridge.

The battle lines have been drawn between those of us who look towards the future and work towards regenerating and expanding our city, and those who dream that the clock can somehow be turned back fifty years.

The intervention of the local tabloid, launching a crusade it cannot and will not win, may enable it to regain the affections of a few rednecks who lurk within the darker reaches of the county.

But the long-term damage to the paper's image, and relations with potential commercial partners, may take years to rebuild.

The previous editor of that publication had the sense to realise that there is insufficient local appetite for a local version of the Daily Heil.

Davie G and his ilk may wish to live in a Daily Heil world. That's their privilege.

But they have NO right to impose that on the rest of us.

if you are a real counsellor then you are a bloody disgrace..... why the hell are you bringing racism into it?

so suddenly because you have been able to dig out a person who made a despicable racist comment on another forum you bring that into this forum? and how dare you imply i might be racist because i want to keep a bridge. The bigot, is most definately you.

typical politician.. try and make a subject something it isnt.. spin spin spin. trying to take the subject off track..

neither am i any redneck and im lurking absolutely nowhere

and who the hell is imposing anything on people? YOU have no right to impose your personal agenda on the people! you were elected BY the PEOPLE NOT by DMU. For goodnes sake.. its you who is corrupt.. your supposed to represent the people!

seriously, whats your real name? Because i swear to God you will never be getting my vote.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

if you are a real counsellor then you are a bloody disgrace..... why the hell are you bringing racism into it?

so suddenly because you have been able to dig out a person who made a despicable racist comment on another forum you bring that into this forum? and how dare you imply i might be racist because i want to keep a bridge. The bigot, is most definately you.

typical politician.. try and make a subject something it isnt.. spin spin spin. trying to take the subject off track..

neither am i any redneck and im lurking absolutely nowhere

and who the hell is imposing anything on people? YOU have no right to impose your personal agenda on the people! you were elected BY the PEOPLE NOT by DMU. For goodnes sake.. its you who is corrupt.. your supposed to represent the people!

seriously, whats your real name? Because i swear to God you will never be getting my vote.

This moron is supposed to be a councillor? My God, how low can you get?

He's obviously some brainwashed twat. More shit comes out of his mouth, than it does his backside!

[James.]

Pathetic.

Using racism as a tactic to polarise the debate in an attempt to tar anyone who opposes the destruction of the bridge with being a racist. Just to try and gain the upper hand in an argument that had shown you and your council up for a lack of intelligence or comprimise.

You're transparent Ultra, you don't fool anyone.

Pathetic. Even by your standards.

[Dr The Singh]

Please, please do stop Ultra, stop trying to impose your ideals by slandering others, it doesn't befit your age or your maturity

Your friend

Dr The Singh AKA Sikh Terrorist!!

[Zingari]

i didn't think i could still be surprised by the level of stupidity and delusion shown by our elected representatives

[Guest]

Yet again you fall into the trap set by the council, of course it's an eyesore any building not maintained becomes an eyesore and the council are solely to blame for that just like they are for many other historical buildings.

Not council owned, but a very similar thing is happening with the County Arms. The land is worth more for development than it is with the old pub on the site, and it has been left so long now that restoring it is not an option. Apparently.

The latest plans for the site have included the old building, so at least it will stay, but it's going to be converted into apartments. The car park is going to have houses built on it, as if there aren't enough houses in the area as it is.

DavieG accuses me of "slanderous comments" (perhaps he should ask Lisa to explain to him what constitutes "slanderous").

Slander constitutes words that are injurious to a person's reputation, so much so it lowers the complainant in the eyes of their peers.

davieG, in this instance, has a good argument.

[blueoveru]

THIS thread is going too damned far off its original arguement

AS i said on the other site this has historical implications as it is the last sign of a once great railway instution that gave Leicester its riches through the ages and is one of the last vistiges of when man toiled to build mostly by his own hand,

just think for one minute about the enormous project to build a railway above the ground, straddling water.... building and putting together ironwork and girders,the human effort blood and sweat, is'nt that worth something??

christ in todays H&S mad world they would'nt touch it with a barge pole, but with our age of machinery it would probably only take a couple of weeks now

WITHOUT HISTORY THERES NOT MUCH FUTURE

[Rob1742]

I thought I better come on here and answer this Ultra guy as he clearly has taken my post from another board and used it here, without my knowledge and so I could not defend what I have put. Surely it would have been better to post his response on the Bentleys board if you had any concerns so that I could answer his questions, but clearly he wanted to make a statement without the poster being able to respond.

The last line was flippant, I would have preffered not to have put that, however the rest of it I stand by and his response highlights why we are in the state we are in.

This Ultra guy has taken a post from a total thread and it would have been better if he had reproduced the whole thread so that you could see that it started with the bridge, but also discussed other City developments such as the statue. If he had done that then everyone here would have been able to see why my post discussed many aspects of the City.

I am happy with what I have put. I think our town is a shit hole and it has had its heart ripped out of it over the years. Our town is just functional and is not a place that anyone really wants to visit, unless it is to see relatives that currently live here. If he can't see that, then he has not really been around the UK to visit places that are more pleasing on the eye. I myself prefer to visit Cities like Cambridge, which although are a much longer drive, are more pleasing on the eye, have managed to maintain its history and is a much better environment for me as a consumer. You only have to look at many of our recent developments, which are crude to say the least, which blight the landscape and have added to the Cities demise. As an example how we managed to allow the old BT tower to be developed into some sort of building that looks like my 4 year old has drawn with his crayons shows what sort of City we now are. We have many buildings that are instant eyesores as soon as they go up, which has added to my thoughts that our town is a shit hole and not somewhere I want to spend my money.

The comments on the park and the statue are very valid. We had opportunities in the past to build on our history, yet we did not. The guy who introduced DNA testing is a real hero to Leicester, yet no statue of him, yet we have one of Ghandi, which in many peoples opinion is crazy. Probably not the people of that particular area, but to the vast majority of the Leicester population it does not fit.

If we would have had a statue of the DNA fellow there, it may have created s situation where people from every culture visited the area. Now wouldn't that have been helpful, integration eh, now that would be a good idea?

It also makes me smile that the people who enjoy a drink on a Friday night enjoy the delights of Braunstone Gate. Well if that is the best we can do its a great shame. Again, other Cities have much better areas. People have probably migrated to that area as the actual town centre holds nothing for them anymore? I have been out in the City centre and Braunstone Gate, both being quite dull compared with what other Cities have. Probably as we have knocked down key buildings in the past of historic values it means the consumer does not have the desire for the City centre any longer?

Anyway, I am a consumer, I decide where I want to go. Leicester does not do it for me anymore other places do it much better, Cambridge, Leeds and Newcastle to name a few.

If this guy is a coucillor, crikey, then that is a real worry. It is a concern that if anyone ever mentions Welford Road Recci or a Ghandi statue you have to tread with caution as these do gooder types people throw a racist card at you. These are the people that cause divides in society rather than bring people together.

Apologies if there are gramatical errors in this post, I have had to do it quickly as I need to get to work.

Lets hope the bridge stays so that we can preserve a little bit of our history.

[Zingari]

The fact you choose to condemn me, instead of the bigot, tells us all we need to know.

If I ever see you in a pub again, I won't enter it.

End of.

will you do the same for me please ?

[Dr The Singh]

will you do the same for me please ?

Nobodies ever seen you in a pub, you owe me about 6 beers!!!

[Alexikokopops]

Pathetic.

Using racism as a tactic to polarise the debate in an attempt to tar anyone who opposes the destruction of the bridge with being a racist. Just to try and gain the upper hand in an argument that had shown you and your council up for a lack of intelligence or comprimise.

You're transparent Ultra, you don't fool anyone.

Pathetic. Even by your standards.

I dunno, asking someone if they were going to compete in the Special Olympics because their spelling wasn't great was pretty pathetic. Especially when you consider he's meant to be an ambassador for that.