Joe. Posted 17 August 2009 Posted 17 August 2009 In light of the Bristol City vs Palace game I've just decided to bring up the old debate again with a quick poll. Video Replays - Not for me. Whilst we could argue all day how big decisions can dramatically change matches, the introduction of video replays to football, would, in my opinion, change the game more dramatically than most might think. It's been argued that it could only take 30 seconds to make a decision, but we all know that many are prone to personal opinion, even after a video replay has been viewed. Football is a game that people have such massively varying opinions on, and I'd hate for this to change. Whilst we clearly hate it if we have decisions that wrongly go against us, it's always something to discuss. Similarly, it's the same when those decisions to go our way. Goal-Line Technology - I think there could quite easily be a place for this. Decisions like the one displayed in Saturday's game are quite frankly a huge embarassment to the game when they're so blatantly obvious. And it's not happened just the once either; we've seen it last year with Watford Reading and in previous seasons with Spurs and Man United. It wouldn't take much for a simple beep of the referee's watch to rightfully award a goal, especially considering something like this happens so infrequently.
dandannieldanok Posted 17 August 2009 Posted 17 August 2009 Neither, the officials should just watch the game. If they did then no stupid controversies like this would ever happen.
MPH Posted 17 August 2009 Posted 17 August 2009 video replays - no way.... the last thing we need in football is more stoppages... it will totally ruin the flowing nature of the game... Goal line technology. Great idea. they have developed a method where somthing can be added to the middle of a fooball and that can be detected by very simple technology attached to the goal posts that can indicate when that little device has crossed the goal line.
MPH Posted 17 August 2009 Posted 17 August 2009 Neither, the officials should just watch the game. If they did then no stupid controversies like this would ever happen. , they WERE watching the game. they got it wrong and if i am honest after the benefit of the tv replay i didnt see it crossed the line i had to watch it two or three times . They dont have the benefit of tv replay of course... but they wouldnt need it with goal line technology. In some ways you can understand, when there are 20 odd thousand people in the stadium 22 people running around on the pitch, a ball zipping around the pitch AND the fact the net didnt even move as it does with 99.9% of goals that hit the back of the net.... added to the fact no one is perfect and makes mistakes... then you WILL get a blip in the system.. a pretty terrible one as far as Palace are concerned with too.
dandannieldanok Posted 17 August 2009 Posted 17 August 2009 , they WERE watching the game. they got it wrong and if i am honest after the benefit of the tv replay i didnt see it crossed the line i had to watch it two or three times . They dont have the benefit of tv replay of course... but they wouldnt need it with goal line technology. You are kidding me right?
Uncle Albert Posted 17 August 2009 Posted 17 August 2009 No for both. We have gone however many years without it so why should we bring it in now? This is the type of thing why football is so good, you can be talking about this for the next 10 years about this 'goal that wasnt given'.
Fosse Boy Posted 17 August 2009 Posted 17 August 2009 Neither, the officials should just watch the game. If they did then no stupid controversies like this would ever happen. This.
Koke Posted 17 August 2009 Posted 17 August 2009 Neither, the officials should just watch the game. If they did then no stupid controversies like this would ever happen. They were watching the game. It was a human mistake, albeit an embarrassing one, but it was still a human mistake. You think the ref do these kinda things on purpose or something?
samlcfc Posted 17 August 2009 Posted 17 August 2009 It could be a decent idea to bring a video replay in. They need not go overkill on it. Although the officials should be able to do their jobs properly and see thing like A GOAL, the sad thing is every so often they dont. For instances such as saturdays, they could call a stop for a minute and check a video replay. The reason i think they shouldnt do this however as i believe that they would go overkill on it as managers annoyed about other decisions would call for video replays on other things. It would slow the game down and cause stoppages that alter the flow of the game. So i would say leave it as it is. These things don't crop up very often and so football is pretty perfect as it is.
Edmund Posted 17 August 2009 Posted 17 August 2009 Yes but only in moderation. Like what has been said already a sensor over the goal line to say that the ball has crossed over would have no impact on the game whatsoever. Video replays on the other hand could ruin football if used at all times. It should only be brought out for drastic decisions like goals going in which aren't allowed I wouldn't like to see it used on offsides and penalty decisions as that would just slow the game down and with the poor discipline that footballers possess there would be uproar with every decision and people would be protesting for a replay at every opportunity, especially with the amount of money involved in todays game.
dandannieldanok Posted 17 August 2009 Posted 17 August 2009 They were watching the game. It was a human mistake, albeit an embarrassing one, but it was still a human mistake. You think the ref do these kinda things on purpose or something? They obviously weren't watching the game close enough, and it's not just one human mistake, it's all the officials in the match. Too big of a mistake to get away with I'm afraid, if you can't see a clear goal like that then you haven't got much hope with a lot more difficult decisions that crop up in matches. Just like the Watford/Reading debacle, its pathetic, officials should not be so incompetent.
Edmund Posted 17 August 2009 Posted 17 August 2009 and it's not just one human mistake, it's all the officials in the match. Im pretty sure the fourth official saw it but had no say in the matter. Im even sure the other linesman did to but also had no say as the other linesman and ref were perfectly placed. Too big of a mistake to get away with I'm afraid, if you can't see a clear goal like that then you haven't got much hope with a lot more difficult decisions that crop up in matches. Just like the Watford/Reading debacle, its pathetic, officials should not be so incompetent. The irony of your posts is that goal line technology would help resolve everything you've said but your adamant to put all the blame on the officials when clearly the ref was not able to see and the linesman didn't see it. The fact is people are angry with how common sense didn't prevail as the fourth official saw the goal yet he wasn't given a say. They are only human and have many things going on at the same time so surely goal line technology would help aid them.
Heart-Shaped Fox Posted 17 August 2009 Posted 17 August 2009 Technology, Yes but I dont know how, sensors or something. There is no way you can have replays. You cant just stop the game and if you wait till the ball goes out, what happens if the other team go down the other end of the pitch and score, does it count?
davieG Posted 17 August 2009 Posted 17 August 2009 No, because it would be a slippery slope leading to ever more technology being used as we've seen with substitutes originally 1 sub introduced for injuries now we have 3 from 7 with many used just to waste time at the end of a game.
john_lcfc Posted 17 August 2009 Posted 17 August 2009 no for both. The game was here before money dont let them say "its too important now" The most succesful game in the worlds history, dont change it, its what we love!! Watch quorn v goole or England v Portugal and the game is the same..no technology...22 players and 3 officials.. no technology..cant say that for any other major team sport i dont think.
Sparky Posted 17 August 2009 Posted 17 August 2009 Maybe tempted with goal line technology if its a 15 second job. Whether the ball crosses a line can be decided factually but im not for TV replays as 2 of us could watch an incident 20 times and still not decide what the correct decision is.
Guest Posted 18 August 2009 Posted 18 August 2009 I've voted yes for both, but in series rather than running one or the other. Ideally the goal line technology would clear up all goal disputes but if there really is any people still contesting the decision of the goal (which undoubtedly from time to time there will be), why can we not spend 5-10 seconds to review the video, particularly if the game has already stopped anyway (when the ball has gone out of play)?
stez Posted 18 August 2009 Posted 18 August 2009 no and no in either case, if the game has to be stopped to go to the video ref/fourth official then the flow iof the game is ruined, if the previous defending team breaks quickly and is then is a goal scoring position, but this is stopped because of the pitch ref, referring something 'upstairs' which turns out to be a non-incident, what happens to the team who were just on the counter attack? it can't be replayed all over again. if that makes sense?
Toby or not Toby Posted 18 August 2009 Posted 18 August 2009 Surely with technology these days there could be a sensor or something on the goal line that would bleep or send a message to the ref or fourth official signaling the ball was over the line? This would then mean that play would not have to be stopped to see if the ball was over the line.
Katy Posted 18 August 2009 Posted 18 August 2009 I think something needs to be done if only to save us from Warnock and Jordan bringing this incident up at every opportunity. Seriously though, there must be a way to intigrate this kind of technology into the game without disrupting the game too much.
dandannieldanok Posted 18 August 2009 Posted 18 August 2009 Im pretty sure the fourth official saw it but had no say in the matter. Im even sure the other linesman did to but also had no say as the other linesman and ref were perfectly placed.The irony of your posts is that goal line technology would help resolve everything you've said but your adamant to put all the blame on the officials when clearly the ref was not able to see and the linesman didn't see it. The fact is people are angry with how common sense didn't prevail as the fourth official saw the goal yet he wasn't given a say. They are only human and have many things going on at the same time so surely goal line technology would help aid them. If that had happened down the Walkers at 0-0 and we went on to lose 1-0 then I think you'd see things a lot more clearly, you certainly wouldn't be saying "they are only human". Because it happened to Warnock people seem to be clouded from the fact that this was a horrendous mistake that shouldn't go unpunished. If the "perfectly placed" referee and linesman didn't see the ball hit the back of the goal then you have to worry. I don't see how you can't put all the blame on the officials, what were they both doing if they weren't watching the ball clearly go in the net? And if they were watching, how on earth did they not see it go in the net? Technology would solve it but I'd rather not personally, I'd rather see referees and linesman simply watch more closely in clear instances like this.
Guest Posted 18 August 2009 Posted 18 August 2009 Weren't they supposed to be trialling even more officials at some point? I.e. extra linesmen especially for the goal line
James. Posted 18 August 2009 Posted 18 August 2009 Could the overall standard of refereeing fall if technology was introduced? It might give referees a safety net that could lead to complacency... I think it should only be used as a last resort and the focus should instead be on improving the quality of referees. Don't know how, maybe through greater pay/benefits combined with improved training methods. But if you introduce technology BEFORE improving the quality of refereeing then you'll just create a whole other set of problems.
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