davieG Posted 21 September 2009 Posted 21 September 2009 So what exactly do they add time of for and how much. I knew they did, Substitutions, injuries and time wasting but I never knew they did goal celebrations or bookings. So in the Manc derby there were 4 minutes of 'official' added on time - with 4 goals plus celebrations, 3 subs in normal 2nd half time and 1 booking all at 30 secs each gives us 4 minutes. If true fair enough assuming there were no injuries or timewasting. One assumes this was extended by 1.5mins for another goal and another substitution although Owen scored in the 95thminute + 25secs. Anyway not to dwell on that game too much what are the actual rules because I've been to games where there have been 6 subs (3 mins) a number of bookings and goals, injuries and yet they've only added 3 minutes. Something is not adding up - anyone care to explain. Note: all info taken from Sky and assuming I've got my numbers correct.
Bert Posted 21 September 2009 Posted 21 September 2009 A lot of people seem to forget the fact that added time is always a minimum of extra minutes. This means there will be at least said amount of minutes that will be played. I could understand people's arguments if it was a maximum time to be added on, but it isn't. There's no way Hughes would've moaned if they'd not have conceded. It affects everyone, whether it be good or bad is a different thing but the referee's in charge of the match, no-one else.
Webbo Posted 21 September 2009 Posted 21 September 2009 So in the Manc derby there were 4 minutes of 'official' added on time - with 4 goals plus celebrations, 3 subs in normal 2nd half time and 1 booking all at 30 secs each gives us 4 minutes. If true fair enough assuming there were no injuries or timewasting. One assumes this was extended by 1.5mins for another goal and another substitution although Owen scored in the 96th minute. It does seem correct but does anybody think that if ManUre were leading by a goal at home and hanging on, that that much time would have been added?
lou Posted 21 September 2009 Posted 21 September 2009 I thought they could stop their stopwatch for anything that stops play it they feel it warrants it? I dont feel any sympathy for Man City to be honest.... if they couldnt defend for 1 more minute than thats their tough shit IMO
Finnegan Posted 21 September 2009 Posted 21 September 2009 A lot of people seem to forget the fact that added time is always a minimum of extra minutes. This means there will be at least said amount of minutes that will be played. I could understand people's arguments if it was a maximum time to be added on, but it isn't. There's no way Hughes would've moaned if they'd not have conceded. It affects everyone, whether it be good or bad is a different thing but the referee's in charge of the match, no-one else. I agree. But if that had happened to city then we'd have moaned just like Hughes.
dandannieldanok Posted 21 September 2009 Posted 21 September 2009 You play until the big four score, that's the rule.
lou Posted 21 September 2009 Posted 21 September 2009 I agree. But if that had happened to city then we'd have moaned just like Hughes. True but Id be more pissed off at the team for conceding to be honest
Finnegan Posted 21 September 2009 Posted 21 September 2009 True but Id be more pissed off at the team for conceding to be honest yes. And how many times have we done it over the last ten years?
Heart-Shaped Fox Posted 21 September 2009 Posted 21 September 2009 Some cases it really is play on till United score, but City had many chances to smack the ball up the other end of the pitch.
lou Posted 21 September 2009 Posted 21 September 2009 yes. And how many times have we done it over the last ten years? I was thinking that as I typed it
Smudge Posted 21 September 2009 Posted 21 September 2009 A lot of people seem to forget the fact that added time is always a minimum of extra minutes. This means there will be at least said amount of minutes that will be played. I could understand people's arguments if it was a maximum time to be added on, but it isn't. There's no way Hughes would've moaned if they'd not have conceded. It affects everyone, whether it be good or bad is a different thing but the referee's in charge of the match, no-one else. He was moaning at 3-3; he was apoplectic after the winner.
sdb Posted 21 September 2009 Posted 21 September 2009 Technically what happened on Sunday was fine but the rule is so rarely stuck to apart from when it benifits the big 4 (i'd say 2). That's what pisses me off.
lildave3 Posted 21 September 2009 Posted 21 September 2009 Didn't see the problem myself, if they give 4 minutes and then someone scores + there is a substitution then of course you have to go over the 4 minutes.
davieG Posted 21 September 2009 Author Posted 21 September 2009 A lot of people seem to forget the fact that added time is always a minimum of extra minutes. This means there will be at least said amount of minutes that will be played. I could understand people's arguments if it was a maximum time to be added on, but it isn't. There's no way Hughes would've moaned if they'd not have conceded. It affects everyone, whether it be good or bad is a different thing but the referee's in charge of the match, no-one else. Yes I understand that and perhaps I shouldn't have mentioned the Manc game only that's the first time I've heard of adding time on for goal celebrations and bookings. It doesn't answer my main question why only 3 minutes in many games when we've had 6 subs, goals, injuries and bookings in the 2nd half normal time - the 3 minutes should cover all that and obviously doesn't. There doesn't seem to be any consistency in the time added on.
lou Posted 21 September 2009 Posted 21 September 2009 Yes I understand that and perhaps I shouldn't have mentioned the Manc game only that's the first time I've heard of adding time on for goal celebrations and bookings.It doesn't answer my main question why only 3 minutes in many games when we've had 6 subs, goals, injuries and bookings in the 2nd half normal time - the 3 minutes should cover all that and obviously doesn't. There doesn't seem to be any consistency in the time added on. Referees and inconsistancy in the same sentence??!! Surely not?! Ok Ok you didnt mention referees by name
davieG Posted 21 September 2009 Author Posted 21 September 2009 Referees and inconsistancy in the same sentence??!! Surely not?! Ok Ok you didnt mention referees by name Is the 4th official classified as a referee, assistant referee or the 4th official? If it's the last then I guess there the ones to blame '4th official' not so easy to sing rude songs about.
lou Posted 21 September 2009 Posted 21 September 2009 Is the 4th official classified as a referee, assistant referee or the 4th official? If it's the last then I guess there the ones to blame '4th official' not so easy to sing rude songs about. Doesnt the ref tell the 4th official how long hes adding?
davieG Posted 21 September 2009 Author Posted 21 September 2009 Doesnt the ref tell the 4th official how long hes adding? Not sure how he can if he's deeply involved in the game, I've never seen one stick fingers in the air to tell the 4th official what number to display - no wonder they rarely add 2 minutes on.
lou Posted 21 September 2009 Posted 21 September 2009 Not sure how he can if he's deeply involved in the game, I've never seen one stick fingers in the air to tell the 4th official what number to display - no wonder they rarely add 2 minutes on. They have microphones nowadays dont they? My bad, I thought the ref did the time added on
Webbo Posted 21 September 2009 Posted 21 September 2009 They have microphones nowadays dont they? My bad, I thought the ref did the time added on I think you're right.
davieG Posted 21 September 2009 Author Posted 21 September 2009 They have microphones nowadays dont they? My bad, I thought the ref did the time added on No, not bad I've no idea Ever way there's a distinct lack of consistency.
Bert Posted 21 September 2009 Posted 21 September 2009 I agree. But if that had happened to city then we'd have moaned just like Hughes. Of course we would! That's why I said it affects both teams, whether it be good or bad!
AyewJoking Posted 21 September 2009 Posted 21 September 2009 There is a rule at Old Trafford to add 5 minutes to whatever time the ref decides should be added on. This only comes into effect only when Utd are either losing or drawing.
Part Of The Crowd Posted 22 September 2009 Posted 22 September 2009 Manchester United had the lowest average time added on during their home games last year. 3 minutes 26
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