sdb Posted 22 September 2009 Posted 22 September 2009 http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/se...s-stoppage-time mildly interesting
lou Posted 22 September 2009 Posted 22 September 2009 " In 48 games when United were ahead, the average amount of stoppage time was 191.35 seconds. In 12 matches when United were drawing or losing there was an average of 257.17sec." Could it just be that when theyre losing or drawing they were more likely to make more substitutions? Just a theory?
leicesterfox86 Posted 22 September 2009 Posted 22 September 2009 " In 48 games when United were ahead, the average amount of stoppage time was 191.35 seconds. In 12 matches when United were drawing or losing there was an average of 257.17sec."Could it just be that when theyre losing or drawing they were more likely to make more substitutions? Just a theory? It has a lot to do with Ferguson's use of stoppage time. He knows that the ref adds 30 seconds on for each substitution. He also knows that the substitution process doesn't always take that long. We are probably all reading too much into it, but I'm sure his cosy chats with the 4th official play their part as well!
lou Posted 22 September 2009 Posted 22 September 2009 I dont think they do to be honest. Anyway the other teams have the same amount of time to score a goal themselves too then dont they? They wouldnt moan about the added on time if they did though would they?
Edmund Posted 22 September 2009 Posted 22 September 2009 I knew they did, Substitutions, injuries and time wasting but I never knew they did goal celebrations or bookings. You have to as we saw on Sunday. Say a team scores a crucial goal in the last minute of normal time and the board went up before with 2 mins et it eradicates players taking the piss and time wasting with goal celebrations.
James. Posted 22 September 2009 Posted 22 September 2009 Why not make the whole thing transparent and have a timer in the ground linked to the referees watch and in full view of the crowd? In fact we could even have an air horn that goes off when the clock ticks down to zero. Or maybe the music from Countdown?
lou Posted 22 September 2009 Posted 22 September 2009 Why not make the whole thing transparent and have a timer in the ground linked to the referees watch and in full view of the crowd?In fact we could even have an air horn that goes off when the clock ticks down to zero. Or maybe the music from Countdown? loving that idea
davieG Posted 22 September 2009 Author Posted 22 September 2009 You have to as we saw on Sunday. Say a team scores a crucial goal in the last minute of normal time and the board went up before with 2 mins et it eradicates players taking the piss and time wasting with goal celebrations. That maybe so but it's unclear what has been included in the minimum added on time. At what point does the goal celebration and substitution not get added on from the 85, 86, 87, 88, 89, 90th minutes no one knows least of all the managers. Besides if all this is added on then the games I've been watching have been mistimed because as I've said I've seen so many games with 6 second half subs, bookings, goals, injuries well before the 85th minute and yet only 3 minutes have been added as a minimum. Surely every event that happens up to the time when the added on time is declared should be included in the minimum time.
Edmund Posted 22 September 2009 Posted 22 September 2009 That maybe so but it's unclear what has been included in the minimum added on time. At what point does the goal celebration and substitution not get added on from the 85, 86, 87, 88, 89, 90th minutes no one knows least of all the managers.Besides if all this is added on then the games I've been watching have been mistimed because as I've said I've seen so many games with 6 second half subs, bookings, goals, injuries well before the 85th minute and yet only 3 minutes have been added as a minimum. Surely every event that happens up to the time when the added on time is declared should be included in the minimum time. I agree with you Davie it is a grey area and sometimes when you watch games and the extra time board comes up you are left baffled with how the referee worked that one out. All im saying is I can understand why they add the extra time for goal celebrations but like you have mentioned the problem is how much and when is it added. I think referees just add time on when they see fit i.e a notable injury, lengthy substitution and will ignore some at there discretion i.e. a quick celebration in the corner with fans. I think if there was a set of solid guidelines we would start seeing managers complaining even more about the referees in every post match interview that this time wasn't added on here and that wasn't deducted there etc etc
TrickyTrev Posted 22 September 2009 Posted 22 September 2009 Lets be honest, they make it up as they go along. Anyone ever refereed and looked down at their watch only to see that it has run well into the fifties?
Uncle Albert Posted 22 September 2009 Posted 22 September 2009 A lot of people seem to forget the fact that added time is always a minimum of extra minutes. Exactly - it's down to the Ref when he see's fit to blow his whistle. You play until the big four score, that's the rule. There is a rule at Old Trafford to add 5 minutes to whatever time the ref decides should be added on. This only comes into effect only when Utd are either losing or drawing. Yeah I forgot it's just the top four teams who score last minute winners/equalisers. <_< The good teams play to the final whistle, this is what United, Liverpool and Chelsea do, thats why they are three of the best teams in the world.
whitlock Posted 22 September 2009 Posted 22 September 2009 In the P'boro game the other week. We had a fairly long stoppage for a head injury to Tunch and also a P'boro lad, penalty, subs, free kicks, which the ref took took an age to sort out, plus the bookings and there was a mere 3 mins. Was ridiculous.
Babylon Posted 22 September 2009 Posted 22 September 2009 " In 48 games when United were ahead, the average amount of stoppage time was 191.35 seconds. In 12 matches when United were drawing or losing there was an average of 257.17sec."Could it just be that when theyre losing or drawing they were more likely to make more substitutions? Just a theory? If a team is losing to Man United they won't be time wasting, if they are drawing or winning then the chances are they would time waste a bit... all of which could get added at the end????
Heart-Shaped Fox Posted 22 September 2009 Posted 22 September 2009 In the P'boro game the other week. We had a fairly long stoppage for a head injury to Tunch and also a P'boro lad, penalty, subs, free kicks, which the ref took took an age to sort out, plus the bookings and there was a mere 3 mins. Was ridiculous. I thoughtthe most ridiculous thing was when we won a throw near the end Neilson chucks it in and he blows for FT before it even comes down! CRAZY
Heart-Shaped Fox Posted 22 September 2009 Posted 22 September 2009 Remember this?Can't beat some time added on
Narborough Bod Posted 22 September 2009 Posted 22 September 2009 I thoughtthe most ridiculous thing was when we won a throw near the end Neilson chucks it in and he blows for FT before it even comes down!CRAZY Did you not find it more annoying that he dithered for about 20 seconds before even taking the throw in??? What annoys me the most is when the ref makes the notional point of running to a keeper to 'warn' him that he'll get booked if he keeps time wasting. ffs, you've got a watch on your wrist, stop it and add 30 seconds, don't be melodramatic and make a hollow gesture which rarely gets carried out and NEVER gets followed up with a second yellow if they continue.
Part Of The Crowd Posted 23 September 2009 Posted 23 September 2009 Remember this?Can't beat some time added on You bastards
ozleicester Posted 25 September 2009 Posted 25 September 2009 Interesting, i have always believed the ref is the final arbiter of all things, including the timing. However, in Aussie Rules, the time is kept by a seperate official in the stands, the clock is stopped whenever play is stopped, if the ball goes out of play, a score is made...almost any time the game stops. The time remaining is commonly shown on the scoreboard/TV screen at the ground, it is not unusual to see players looking up at the screen to decide what to do with the ball in the final stages. Briiliant footage here of why the ref should be in charge... siren has sounded..(game over)... umpires did not hear..game goes on and a point is scored...making the game a draw some days later the last point was taken away and the win awarded to Fremantle. (as it should have been)
DB11 Posted 26 September 2009 Posted 26 September 2009 Guidelines: Goal, substitution, caution - 30 seconds Red card - 60 seconds Injury, loss of ball etc. - as you see fit. Doesnt the ref tell the 4th official how long hes adding? Yes, he does. Not sure how he can if he's deeply involved in the game, I've never seen one stick fingers in the air to tell the 4th official what number to display - no wonder they rarely add 2 minutes on. Microphones or do it subtly. Put the amount of fingers next to your shorts. They have microphones nowadays dont they? My bad, I thought the ref did the time added on The referee is the sole keeper of time. Lets be honest, they make it up as they go along. Anyone ever refereed and looked down at their watch only to see that it has run well into the fifties? Can't say I have.
lou Posted 26 September 2009 Posted 26 September 2009 Guidelines:Goal, substitution, caution - 30 seconds Red card - 60 seconds Injury, loss of ball etc. - as you see fit. Yes, he does. Microphones or do it subtly. Put the amount of fingers next to your shorts. The referee is the sole keeper of time. Can't say I have. Thanks for clearing that up
The Doctor Posted 29 September 2009 Posted 29 September 2009 the goal celebration took all of 45 seconds from when it was scored, 10 seconds before the 90 which gives us 35 seconds extra, plus the substitution = 1min 5secs extra = 5mins 5secs of added time. owen scored at 5mins 25secs of added time which means the full time whistle should have gone before the goal but the fa obviously encourage the refs to help the big for out because the big four are the ones who create the amount of tv money which keeps the fa in caviar and champagne for at least 4 months, then they start fining managers for not being sheep and agreeing with the refs every desicion to keep them in caviar and champagne for the rest of the season. basically it's all one big conspiracy initiated by the FA.
SystonFox Posted 29 September 2009 Posted 29 September 2009 they can't stop play when there is a goal scoring oppurtunity though. if giggs had floated a ball in toward the back stick the ref has every right to blow up, but as he drilled it onto owens foot it happened so quickly the ref didn't have time to blow up. as much as i hate Utd their fourth goal was legit and probably one that has won them the title already.
The Doctor Posted 30 September 2009 Posted 30 September 2009 they can't stop play when there is a goal scoring oppurtunity though. if giggs had floated a ball in toward the back stick the ref has every right to blow up, but as he drilled it onto owens foot it happened so quickly the ref didn't have time to blow up. as much as i hate Utd their fourth goal was legit and probably one that has won them the title already. clive thomas in 82(?) world cup. gives a corner, corner swung in and blows for full time as zico nods into net for brazil. thomas disallows goal saying he was 0.5 seconds too late. zico says he should have blown before corner taken. thomas goes on to book an entire wall for not retreating the full 10 yards. He could have blown as owen controlled it and shot meaning the goal wouldn't have been legit.
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