Ford Super Sunday Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 Kermorgant is a much better footballer than Howard and won a lot of headers that actually went to our players at Cov away.Plus his general ability and technique to kick a football is 1,000,000 times better than Howard's ball striking and falling over. We need to get out of this psychological mode we are in where somebody like Howard must play and we must lump it up to him. The players have been in that mode far too long, and the fans are now too. Who headed the ball on to Waghorn for the leveller again?
maddog Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 Who headed the ball on to Waghorn for the leveller again? That was after Kermo had been subbed off
Ford Super Sunday Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 That was after Kermo had been subbed off Yeah, so that makes it ok then Howard (I felt) was immense when he came off the bench against Cov. Maybe, just maybe, that's his role this season, coming off the bench, being that big target man, whatever the occasion, winning, losing, drawing. It's not like we've not got a whole lot more attacking options this season, because with Fryatt, Gally, Waghorn, Howard, Kermit, we've got variety, and the ability to change things, as proved this season.
morris1234 Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 i just think its not smart trying to play it to his head all the time, he has showed he can do more with it if you play it into feet or at his chest. Peterborough at home last season was a prime example. I think we need to calm down, if we would have won agaisnt the sheep this thread wouldnt be here (although maddog does what he pleases anyway). he can only do what is put in front of him, if hes given a long ball, he'll try and win the header to the best of his ability, he doesnt misplace a pass on purpose <_<
davieG Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 Yeah, so that makes it ok then Howard (I felt) was immense when he came off the bench against Cov. Maybe, just maybe, that's his role this season, coming off the bench, being that big target man, whatever the occasion, winning, losing, drawing. It's not like we've not got a whole lot more attacking options this season, because with Fryatt, Gally, Waghorn, Howard, Kermit, we've got variety, and the ability to change things, as proved this season. Maybe more to do with the fact that he had a lot more room with Cov having to mark 3 strikers.
Koke Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 Continue to play Fryatt & Howard up front, but stick Gallagher in behind them and give him a free-ish role.
andy_croydz Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 Well I think this thread is well and truly split, probably with more leaning towards wanting him out of starting 11. To be fair with Howard he is good at holding up play and winning flick ons but he just looks slow when hes playing and I admit I haven't seen many games this season but whenever I have seen him he always looks like he won't really create anything dangerous or belt one in from 20 yards. I think we have better options up front in Gallagher, Kermit, Waghorn and DJ Campbell if i'm honest. Don't get me wrong though, I do like Howard, I certainly don't slag him off but I just feel like we need a quicker more nimble player up there rather than someone who wins flick ons and hardly scores with his feet.
Koke Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 Howard hasn't scored a goal yet this season. There's no other striker at the club who would get away with that without getting slaughtered. Fryatt would get ripped a new arsehole by the fans if he had such a record after 12 games.
Tommy G Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 he is a striker and he hasn't scored a SINGLE goal this season. He has to be dropped and try something else. Might make us stop hoofing a bit less aswell. People can bang on about how much ''effort'' he puts in each week but so would I if I was on 5k a week. It's all well and good putting effort in, but with no end product he should be axed. We can rely on Fryatt and the midfield to occasionally chip in.
Dames Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 he is a striker and he hasn't scored a SINGLE goal this season. He has to be dropped and try something else. Might make us stop hoofing a bit less aswell. This tbh. He's had his chance's, he can win flick on's all he likes but the reality is only really about 50% of them go to one of our players. We need something fresh because teams are starting to suss us out.
Lillehamring Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 It's fickle cos you support him when he does well. And hate him when he does poor.And he's done so much more than that though. Take a look at his assists. There's no question that most of Fryatt's goals last season wouldn't have come about if Howard wasn't there. We do have loads of options upfront, but only one - apparently Kermorgant, who will be able to replace Howard. (I haven't seen YK play, only going by what I've heard). Campbell and Waghorn won't be able to do the job Howard does. oh, take your head out of the sand! he has had 2 assists this season, big deal - it is NOT last season.... why do you insist that we have to replace howard with a howard mkII, perhaps what is needed is some players who can take advantage of wellens' passing game, some one with pace to get behind the defenders... remember THIS IS NOT LEAGUE 1 - the rules are different! coming of the bench against a fatigued coventry and winning a header in the centre circle should not have justified a recall, he was dropped cause we were stagnant and stodgy - he came back and - quelle suprise - we are stodgy again... and yet we have more attacking options than we ahve had in years and years....
maddog Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 This tbh.He's had his chance's, he can win flick on's all he likes but the reality is only really less than 20%, of them go to one of our players. We need something fresh because teams are starting to suss us out. Campbell/Fryatt or Fryatt/Kermo for me Tuesday. And if Pearson has the guts to drop Fryatt for a match, then i would start Waghorn.
MPH Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 who's that carlisle striker? 6 ft 4... medine or somthing, i think. Might be a good long term replacement... might be worth a gamble... only a young lad... 19 or somthing... i don't think the problem is not having a replacement, i think it's not having the gumption to replace him..... i think its one position there are not many about of - big young target men... get him in and nuture him - ala morrison and hobbs style.
marbelladave Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 This tbh.He's had his chance's, he can win flick on's all he likes but the reality is only really about 5% of them go to one of our players. We need something fresh because teams are starting to suss us out. Fixed it for you.... Sorry Maddog, could not resist....
maddog Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 Maddog, shut the fuck up. Please! Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Sir Alex Ferguson Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 At the end of the day Howard is a striker, so his main attribute should be to score goals, it's good to have a player like him to flick balls on to hold them up but if hes not scoring then hes not doing his main job.
Heart-Shaped Fox Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 At the end of the day Howard is a striker, so his main attribute should be to score goals, it's good to have a player like him to flick balls on to hold them up but if hes not scoring then hes not doing his main job. This. If he wasnt getting chances it wouldnt bother me but he is, with most being headers that go over the bar.
Tilley Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 He's slow, clumsy and whinges like a bitch. Also, lets not forget he hasn't scored a single frigging goal this season. Fryatt & Waghorn tomorrow night. Kermo, Deej & Gallagher should be the three subs, not this idiot.
MPH Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 At the end of the day Howard is a striker, so his main attribute should be to score goals, it's good to have a player like him to flick balls on to hold them up but if hes not scoring then hes not doing his main job. well technically i would say he is a forward not a striker - kind of like football manager style as football manager gets everything right. Fryatt is the striker and Howard is the forward.
Budweiser Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 We look just as shit without Howard as we do with him Personally, I like Howard & I would still play him for a couple more games, then if he's still not scored, Gallagher's time has come.
Lillehamring Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 well technically i would say he is a forward not a striker - kind of like football manager style as football manager gets everything right. Fryatt is the striker and Howard is the forward. poh! forward or striker, whatever you want to call it, i would expect midfielders and defenders to score goals, howard has no excuse... he's had plenty enough chances, but he fundamentally has issues hitting the target... in 2003/04 season, as a comparison, les ferdinand hit the target 30 times putting only 13 wide, and still won some flick ons, in 04/05 even mark devries managed to get 10 on 13 off, not great but still more consistant than the lauded howard and that season the heavily criticised dublin was 50/50, in the following season the apparently dreadful elvis hit the target 30 times putting only 9 wide, and even momo sylla had greater shot accuracy than howard has this season, hammond again had an over 50% accuracy the following season as did geoff horsfield these players are routinely slated on this board, perhaps for certain elements of their game rightly so, but as strikers, where being able to hit the target is an essential part of their job, and as far as devries, dublin and horsfield are concerned, all were employed in a similar way to howard, they are all (statistically) far more accurate than howard... and at this level you can't afford to be not forcing the keeper to parry or force corners from ontarget shooting and howard's problem perhaps isn't just a blip in form, when he arrived, his first season he had only 22 on and 31 off, yes he did improve last season with 69:59 (incomparable to fryatt's 98:54), and this season, so far, 11 on 17 off.... and 19 goals in 70 odd games... as another comparison, cov's leon best has 1 less assist than howard, but 6 goals and has hit 24 on target with only 9 off target this season lets face it he is a very limited player, nice bloke i'm sure and has been known to graft, but surely it is time to see if someone else can provide the things howard does and, more importantly, the things he doesn't.
Maybes Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 From what I have seen Kermorgant looks like a more nimble and technical version of Steve Howard. Howard out, Kermo in.
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