Finnegan Posted 13 November 2009 Posted 13 November 2009 Yes but my point was that another nations have copied what started in England. Our clubs have been around 100+ years. Take the MLS, Been around since 1994 right. Not even 20 years, their clubs don't have the culture a english club as. What's that got to do with anything I just said?
MC Prussian Posted 13 November 2009 Posted 13 November 2009 Still drooling over the second Malmo video. Stunning.
Fosse Boy Posted 13 November 2009 Posted 13 November 2009 I'm not against terracing or safe standing but I don't really think it'd make a massive difference to the atmospheres in grounds over here.We always sit and drool over videos of walls of fans on the continent all bouncing together and booming out organized chants or tifos or whatever but we just don't really have the culture for it in this country. Whilst I do agree with you to a certain extent, I would also say that all "ultras" style movements anywhere in the world have started from humble beginnings and have snowballed over the years into what are now in some cases huge organisations with incredible amounts of influence over the clubs that their members follow. There are a few decent (although relatively small) ultras groups in England and Scotland (Aberdeen, Celtic, York etc.), but the fact that this style of support is becoming more popular here suggests that there is definite potential for elements of that culture to become more commonplace in English football. If the powers that be finally come round to accepting that some fans want to stand and allow standing areas to be installed in our bigger stadiums, then it may be just the kickstart needed to trigger it.
Edmund Posted 13 November 2009 Posted 13 November 2009 There are a few decent (although relatively small) ultras groups in England and Scotland (Aberdeen, Celtic, York etc.), but the fact that this style of support is becoming more popular here suggests that there is definite potential for elements of that culture to become more commonplace in English football. If the powers that be finally come round to accepting that some fans want to stand and allow standing areas to be installed in our bigger stadiums, then it may be just the kickstart needed to trigger it. I'm not saying it's not possible to emulate the support of ultras abroad but I just think it will never get to that extreme for two reasons. Firstly like Finnegan said our culture is very different to most of Europe. It's hard to put it in words but say when your abroad in Spain or Turkey there is much more of a communal atmosphere if that is the right way of putting it. People are much more laid back and generally communities are much more tightly knit than here in the UK. Here most people don't even speak to their neighbours and just get on with their routines and everyone is in a rush. Your probably thinking what has that got to do with anything but it just goes to show there is a stark difference in cultures. The way they see football and go about it is in a completely different persona to ours. Secondly the business side of things has meant football has become more and more of an entrainment show with things like goal music becoming common place in most grounds. With this, the new generations are being born into this idea and think this is what a day out at the football should be like. I'm not saying it's not possible it will just take time and wont happen over night. You will need another 10,000 or so like minded supporters who share the same passion as you which is hard these days as most fans our fickle and will boo the team if there losing at half time. You want fans that will still be singing and bouncing when 5-0 down or 5-0 up.
Tommeh Posted 13 November 2009 Posted 13 November 2009 I'm not against terracing or safe standing but I don't really think it'd make a massive difference to the atmospheres in grounds over here.We always sit and drool over videos of walls of fans on the continent all bouncing together and booming out organized chants or tifos or whatever but we just don't really have the culture for it in this country. As has been touched it's more the opportunity to stand freely with others. When I go to games quite often there will be 8-12 sometimes even up to 20 people (at southend) who I wish to stand with. It's never possible to get tickets together so often it's about congregating 3 people to a seat near the back or standing in aisles, again very dangerous. *waits for someone to say, well sit down in your allocated seat then*
LCFC-ARAB Posted 13 November 2009 Posted 13 November 2009 As has been touched it's more the opportunity to stand freely with others. When I go to games quite often there will be 8-12 sometimes even up to 20 people (at southend) who I wish to stand with. It's never possible to get tickets together so often it's about congregating 3 people to a seat near the back or standing in aisles, again very dangerous. *waits for someone to say, well sit down in your allocated seat then* Well sit in your seat then!! i've only been to 3 away games this season, Shef Utd, Newcastle and Watford and the only game i went to my allocated seat is the game we got kicked out of because there were other people in our seats This country is a joke
jonthefox Posted 15 November 2009 Posted 15 November 2009 god, i would just love to see a kop like that at the walkers. cant see it happening though.
weluv Posted 15 November 2009 Posted 15 November 2009 You want fans that will still be singing and bouncing when 5-0 down or 5-0 up.
Lillehamring Posted 16 November 2009 Author Posted 16 November 2009 big deal, most supporters, when it reaches that severe a stuffing tend to resort to gallows humour and come full circle - it's the fans that are singing when they concede like we did against WBA that are real hero's when it seems shit but there is still something to play for.... or when you concede with 3 minutes to go... that's when it's time to make your voice heard....
Floating Fox Posted 16 November 2009 Posted 16 November 2009 I'm not against terracing or safe standing but I don't really think it'd make a massive difference to the atmospheres in grounds over here.We always sit and drool over videos of walls of fans on the continent all bouncing together and booming out organized chants or tifos or whatever but we just don't really have the culture for it in this country. You've not been to Aldershot, York, Accrington etc then? Some of these smaller clubs have great ultra groups...and if we are being honest it can't get any worse. The Irish have embraced too.
Guest Posted 16 November 2009 Posted 16 November 2009 I think another important factor to remeber here, is that the club wanted to include the fans in the decision making process with the new stadium, in england, at leicester at leicester, the club don't give a fuck about the fans, and are quite happy to encourage all-seating, at least that certainly seems to be the way. To be fair to City, their hands are tied by the rules and regulations imposed by various bodies that govern the game, upon Government advice.
Tubes Posted 16 November 2009 Posted 16 November 2009 I'm sick of losing the skin all down the front of my shins every time we score, then taking the scabs off the week after for 9 months of the year.
Basingstoke Fox Posted 16 November 2009 Posted 16 November 2009 I've not been keen on Standing terraces due to safety aspects etc...but that does look very spectacular and does look like it increases atmosphere tenfold! It's their choice, if they want to stand then they take the risk of any 'danger'. Doesn't mean that people should have the right to stand up taken away from them. I love standing at football games but most of the people at the walkers? Atmosphere? :laugh: Come on.
Guest Posted 16 November 2009 Posted 16 November 2009 I'm sick of losing the skin all down the front of my shins every time we score, then taking the scabs off the week after for 9 months of the year. Come the end of the season, my legs are black and blue. The bruises have only just disappeared by the time the new season starts!
Finnegan Posted 16 November 2009 Posted 16 November 2009 You've not been to Aldershot, York, Accrington etc then?Some of these smaller clubs have great ultra groups...and if we are being honest it can't get any worse. The Irish have embraced too. Supporters of a few niché, tinpot clubs having a bit of a giggle doesn't amount to some sort of cultural, footballing revolution. Different cultures have different styles of infatuation with the game. You're no more likely to see the entire Stretford End bouncing in unison to some Eastern-Block-esque chant and waving flares as you are to see barefooted Norweigan kids running up and down the streets of an Oslo suburb in their underpants playing futsal or a depressed looking Brazillian noshing down his rain-soaked fish and chips and moaning about long ball football.
Lillehamring Posted 16 November 2009 Author Posted 16 November 2009 To be fair to City, their hands are tied by the rules and regulations imposed by various bodies that govern the game, upon Government advice. yeah, but i'm sure they're hardly complaining about such bondage
Tommeh Posted 16 November 2009 Posted 16 November 2009 I'm sick of losing the skin all down the front of my shins every time we score, then taking the scabs off the week after for 9 months of the year. Excellent point, seats are facking dangerous when you regularly fall down rows like Leeds, Sheff utd, MK Dons, southend etc. QPR being on the front row I was fine just a bit crushed against the advertising boards.
Guest Posted 16 November 2009 Posted 16 November 2009 yeah, but i'm sure they're hardly complaining about such bondage You would be surprised.
Budweiser Posted 16 November 2009 Posted 16 November 2009 I'm not against terracing or safe standing but I don't really think it'd make a massive difference to the atmospheres in grounds over here.We always sit and drool over videos of walls of fans on the continent all bouncing together and booming out organized chants or tifos or whatever but we just don't really have the culture for it in this country. Correct. Most of you on here just slate English stadiums and the atmosphere. Now don't get me wrong, i'd love it if this sort of thing was introduced, but quite alot of you just spend your time going off about foreign clubs and how everything about them is amazing. If you love it so much, fook off to their games instead.
Lillehamring Posted 16 November 2009 Author Posted 16 November 2009 Supporters of a few niché, tinpot clubs having a bit of a giggle doesn't amount to some sort of cultural, footballing revolution. Different cultures have different styles of infatuation with the game. You're no more likely to see the entire Stretford End bouncing in unison to some Eastern-Block-esque chant and waving flares as you are to see barefooted Norweigan kids running up and down the streets of an Oslo suburb in their underpants playing futsal or a depressed looking Brazillian noshing down his rain-soaked fish and chips and moaning about long ball football. nobody is suggesting an overnight turn around in supporter behaviour, what you have to remember is that the core of 'hardcore' supporters, the type that you see bouncing up and down, are probably in the age group 16-30, the current generation of fans in england in that demographic have only ever known all seater grounds... which is why these 'tinpot' teams still have an element of that culture, because it is what they are used to... put a part standing kop in at the walkers, the noisy SUAS fans will flock there, and in 10 years you will have a generation of fans that know what it means to be squezzed into a standing kop bouncing up and down... i'm lucky enough to have enjoyed the pens at filbo, and no we didn't bounce up and down like they do in europe, but had we had youttibe and seen other fans doing it, no doubt it would have caught on, after all the mexican wave did... so, it could happen, it just takes a bit of imagination and trust from the government and the clubs to allow and support it....
purpleronnie Posted 16 November 2009 Posted 16 November 2009 Correct.Most of you on here just slate English stadiums and the atmosphere. Now don't get me wrong, i'd love it if this sort of thing was introduced, but quite alot of you just spend your time going off about foreign clubs and how everything about them is amazing. If you love it so much, fook off to their games instead. Quite a few do. I'd recommend it.
The Doctor Posted 16 November 2009 Posted 16 November 2009 Standing in Safe Standing areas is safer than standing in seating areas.People are always going to stand so what do you think the answer is? on the contient - bring in terracing, in england - turn the stadiums into all seaters and moan at everyone who stands up
CosbehFox Posted 16 November 2009 Posted 16 November 2009 If you love it so much, fook off to their games instead.
Floating Fox Posted 17 November 2009 Posted 17 November 2009 Correct.Most of you on here just slate English stadiums and the atmosphere. Now don't get me wrong, i'd love it if this sort of thing was introduced, but quite alot of you just spend your time going off about foreign clubs and how everything about them is amazing. If you love it so much, fook off to their games instead. What..you mean like I do? Love it!
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