Bob Weasel Fox Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 I'll take the bait -Andy Carroll, in the wall, deliberately raises his arm to block Gallaghers free kick, in the area. The ball was nowhere near his face, he did it to block the shot. Deliberate foul, clearly seen by the ref as he gave a corner, so he saw Carroll make contact with the ball. Acording to the laws of the game, a yellow card and a penalty. Not given. Thank you and goodnight.
DB11 Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 "According to the laws of the game, a yellow card" Prove it? I'll save you the hassle; you won't be able to.
orangecity23 Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 Deliberate handball can come under the umbrella of a professional foul or unsporting behaviour (left to the ref to interpret depending on the circumstances of the handball) doesn't it DB11? Hence why a deliberate handball to prevent a goal will result in a red card. You're the expert though, so you should know, and if you say so I'll take your word for it. Are you saying that you wouldn't have given a yellow card for that handball if you had been the ref? It's a clear foul deliberately done to prevent a chance, just as the second Wellens Yellow was interpreted to be. Dunno why this has branched out of that Wellens thread though.
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 31 January 2010 Author Posted 31 January 2010 Respect the referee??? The players should yeah probably about right but the ref today deserved all and more of the stick he got - WE ONLY PLAYED WITH 10 MEN, THEY HAD 12!!! Newcastle are a super football club and certainly NOT one i love to hate (save that for the tree shaggers etc) but they didnt really need to have 12 men against us to give us a good game. 11 v 11 today i think we would have nicked the game 1-0.
Matt Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 *Ahem* only just got in, didn't have chance to vent my feelings after the game - Perhaps a good thing, else my post would have lasted forever, anyway, can anyone explain (Specifically looking at 'Mr Referee' aka DB11) how you are supposed to respect the referee and his assistant with those performances? He needs to respect the game and fans before we respect him.... I was always told you earned respect, and most of the referee's do not earn the respect. Pathetic. Don't get me wrong I always start a game with neutral feelings over the referee, as I do with the opposition's players, and our own players - but let me tell you I don't get through many 90 minutes where I can honestly say 'Yeah that referee had a good game', 'Yeah that referee deserved respect'. How come after many games we end up with a discussion over the referee? (Although coincidental when we win it's not really discussed too much) Too many referee's want too muscle in on the game and be the centre of attention, A good referee should not be discussed, as much as they deserve the credit on those occasions. I'm sorry but I just find this whole "Respect" campaign insulting and farcical.
Arkie Bennett Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 I was always told you earned respect, and most of the referee's do not earn the respect. I was always taught respect is there to be lost. As always, I started out respecting the ref, but his shocking inconsistency diminished that.
skinnydipper Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 When Marriner sent Wellens off the Family stand should have made it clear what they thought of the ref by reorganising their placards RAPIST
DB11 Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 Deliberate handball can come under the umbrella of a professional foul or unsporting behaviour (left to the ref to interpret depending on the circumstances of the handball) doesn't it DB11? Hence why a deliberate handball to prevent a goal will result in a red card. You're the expert though, so you should know, and if you say so I'll take your word for it. Are you saying that you wouldn't have given a yellow card for that handball if you had been the ref? It's a clear foul deliberately done to prevent a chance, just as the second Wellens Yellow was interpreted to be. Dunno why this has branched out of that Wellens thread though. Handball need only be cautioned if it stops a promising attack or is 'beyond' deliberate (ie. he jumps up and catches the ball). Deliberate handball to deny an obvious goal scoring opportunity is indeed a red card, but that wasn't DOGSO...
leftsideoverhere Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 Handball need only be cautioned if it stops a promising attack or is 'beyond' deliberate (ie. he jumps up and catches the ball). Deliberate handball to deny an obvious goal scoring opportunity is indeed a red card, but that wasn't DOGSO... It looked pretty dog to me, so...
Head Honcho Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 Respect the referee??? The players should yeah probably about right but the ref today deserved all and more of the stick he got - WE ONLY PLAYED WITH 10 MEN, THEY HAD 12!!! Newcastle are a super football club and certainly NOT one i love to hate (save that for the tree shaggers etc) but they didnt really need to have 12 men against us to give us a good game. 11 v 11 today i think we would have nicked the game 1-0. I'm not sure how an extra player would've prevented us from looking like complete twats in front of goal.
DeclanMC Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 DB11, can I ask why you always defend referees so vehemently, despite being a Leicester fan yourself? I realise you are a referee and obviously want to mark yourself out as 'different' somehow on these forums, but surely you must realise that the ref'ing was atrocious yesterday? Performances such as yesterday's were the reason why fans and players don't respect the ref. The FA put emotive images of dads shouting at their kids in the matchday programme to make the general public think, 'Oh what a good idea, that's just bullying'. But if most people saw the reason why referees get so much stick, they wouldn't be anywhere near as much behind the 'RESPECT' campaign.
Matt Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 I'm not sure how an extra player would've prevented us from looking like complete twats in front of goal. Yeah I said this in the post match thread, that i'm happy under the circumstances of the result (Down to 10 men, They had 12 men, We played very good) but even if it was a fair game, I don't think an having 11 men on the field would have made any difference to the scoreline because we havn't got a consistant goalscorer, that's not slagging Fryatt off, I like him and he's doing a good job, proving me wrong certainly, unfortunatly it's not quite good enough, I don't wanna see Fryatt leave or out of the team, but we need someone to help him out, we need a goalscorer. The sad thing is we'll only reason we'd bring a striker in is if Fryatt left, and even then it would be a rushed, no doubt poor signing, and we'd then be worse off.
davieG Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 The pull on Waghorn's shoulder early in the 2nd half in the penalty area was much more blatant than Wellen's, just because Waghorn resisted the temptation to go down the ref bottled out of a red card and a penalty.
Guest Mee-9 Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 I'll just say the ref was sht. Too early to divulge.
DB11 Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 DB11, can I ask why you always defend referees so vehemently, despite being a Leicester fan yourself? I realise you are a referee and obviously want to mark yourself out as 'different' somehow on these forums, but surely you must realise that the ref'ing was atrocious yesterday? Performances such as yesterday's were the reason why fans and players don't respect the ref. The FA put emotive images of dads shouting at their kids in the matchday programme to make the general public think, 'Oh what a good idea, that's just bullying'. But if most people saw the reason why referees get so much stick, they wouldn't be anywhere near as much behind the 'RESPECT' campaign. You can, and my answer to you would be that I don't believe that I do. If the referee has, in my opinion, had a below-par game then I will say so. I just give my opinion on what I think the referee has been like; I don't defend the referee because he is a 'colleague'. My opinion has changed / I look at things from different angles since becoming a referee, but I don't deliberately 'defend' the referee. In my opinion, I think Andre Marriner is one of the best referees, and yesterdays performance has only cemented that (I do think he had a good game). Wellens' second yellow card was deliberate and tactical - an easy yellow card for unsporting behaviour.
davieG Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 You can, and my answer to you would be that I don't believe that I do. If the referee has, in my opinion, had a below-par game then I will say so. I just give my opinion on what I think the referee has been like; I don't defend the referee because he is a 'colleague'. My opinion has changed / I look at things from different angles since becoming a referee, but I don't deliberately 'defend' the referee. In my opinion, I think Andre Marriner is one of the best referees, and yesterdays performance has only cemented that (I do think he had a good game). Wellens' second yellow card was deliberate and tactical - an easy yellow card for unsporting behaviour. So why did he not do the same for the similar yet worse foul on Waghorn? It's not what he did it's what he didn't do, there were other incidents where he failed to punish consistently. The foul on Wellens prior to his first yellow, the foul on Galagher, the hand ball, Berner's 2nd tackle, Howard's tackle.
dandannieldanok Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 The respect campaign is pointless if the referees are going to continue to referee at such a poor standard.
AoWW Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 You can, and my answer to you would be that I don't believe that I do. If the referee has, in my opinion, had a below-par game then I will say so. I just give my opinion on what I think the referee has been like; I don't defend the referee because he is a 'colleague'. My opinion has changed / I look at things from different angles since becoming a referee, but I don't deliberately 'defend' the referee. In my opinion, I think Andre Marriner is one of the best referees, and yesterdays performance has only cemented that (I do think he had a good game). Wellens' second yellow card was deliberate and tactical - an easy yellow card for unsporting behaviour. But surely the key to good refereeing is to be consistent in your decisions? Are you really saying you feel Marriner was consistent yesterday because, imo, he demonstrated a clear bias towards Newcastle, whether intentional or not. As others have said, respect is easily lost and I had no respect for him by the end of the game.
Matt Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 You can, and my answer to you would be that I don't believe that I do. If the referee has, in my opinion, had a below-par game then I will say so. I just give my opinion on what I think the referee has been like; I don't defend the referee because he is a 'colleague'. My opinion has changed / I look at things from different angles since becoming a referee, but I don't deliberately 'defend' the referee. In my opinion, I think Andre Marriner is one of the best referees, and yesterdays performance has only cemented that (I do think he had a good game). Wellens' second yellow card was deliberate and tactical - an easy yellow card for unsporting behaviour. Unbelievable. Also, I asked you the question earlier DB11 - How can you expect the respect campaign to work when so many blatent mistakes are made? - I always say the odd mistake is acceptable, I don't expect everyone to be perfect and make no mistakes, Everyone makes mistakes, but the quantity of mistakes made on average by the referee's is unacceptable, and the blatent, stupid, simple rules that the referee's get wrong are unacceptable.
Babylon Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 In my opinion, I think Andre Marriner is one of the best referees, and yesterdays performance has only cemented that (I do think he had a good game)
Guest Mee-9 Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 Respect campaign's are a waste of space. They expect respect when we get sht refs? As LargeAl said yesterday, "We ain't like rugby fans, We voice out opinions." It's just another fad by the FA to try and promote respect, to boost our chances of getting the world cup. They waste money, by getting Sweatshops to make badges and numerous other freebies to give out. Andre Marriner = Dreadful, he's ballsed other games up before. DB11 if he's a fellow ref, surely you can even spot his mistakes?
Trav Le Bleu Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 DB11 obviously watched a different game to everyone else. There were at least 3 glaringly bad decisions against Leicester, the worst in my opinion was the yellow for Berner, which should probably been a yellow, but only seconds earlier it had been preceeded by an almost identical challenge, possibly worse as it was higher, by a Newcastle player. Then there was also the Waghorn incident that DavieG mentioned. And the handball... sorry, two handballs, both in the penalty area. It wouldn't have been so bad if the bad decisions had evened out, but I can honestly say I can only think of one decision against Newcastle that I thought was harsh. Back on your boat Mariner!
dandannieldanok Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 In my opinion, I think Andre Marriner is one of the best referees And who's second best.....Stuart Attwell?
Fez of Mahrez Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 I was furious at the time but watching it back, the ref didn't have an awful game. Wellens was lucky not to be sent off for the first yellow and deserved a yellow for the second although a warning would have been nice. As fans, we should be more annoyed with Wellens for the two stupid fouls than the ref. The challenge on Waghorn - Taylor got the ball and Waghorn happened to have got there a split second too late so he caught him on the follow-through and it looked terrible at the time because Waghorn got taken out. Berner kicked their player in the knee as he ran past for the first yellow. Nowhere near the ball. Definite yellow and not comparable to the challenge on Waghorn. Berner's second foul - that should have been a yellow really. I would have been spitting blood if he'd actually sent him off - incandescent - but it was a horrible tackle and deserved a yellow card. Again not near the ball. The handball by Carroll was as blatant as anything. Unbelievable. I didn't spot it at the time though and neither did most of the crowd. Howard's challenge wasn't that bad. I thought he won the ball to be honest, just in a bit of an agricultural fashion. Whatever. Brilliant game, love those niggly games where the ref's decisions and some committed challenges get the crowd pumped up.
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