Brown Out Cameron In

[davieG]

I hope we don't get PR (even if that means my vote won't count for anything for many elections to come). In fact, I hope the Liberals don't really get anything they want, they simple don't deserve it, and I'm dead against all this coalition stuff given the events of the last few days. As a Labour voter, I'm glad Labour will not be entering a coalition and hopefully in the not too distant future Miliband gets voted as leader and a strong, healthy opposition can form. Also, even as a Tory hater, I'd rather they just went it alone and formed a minority govt rather than going with the Liberals. The electorate made it quite clear that the Liberals are very much a 3rd place party, regressing rather than progressing (seatwise). It's frustrating to see Nick Clegg out there able to force his ideals upon the Tories when the electorate simply don't want them.

We have this outcome under a first past the post system not PR and it's because there isn't sufficient difference between the parties this coupled with the fact that they are seen as self serving dishonest cretins.

As for the Liberals not deserving a say well they got almost 7 million votes 6% less than labour who got 7% less than the Tories. In truth no one deserves to govern as the electorate clearly didn't want Labour or the Tories either.

[FoxyPV]

Listening to the Labour voters you'd think losing the election was brilliant master stroke by Brown.

It was all part of his plan - his legacy to Dave

[davieG]

At least there was some serious opposition to jumping into bed with calamity Clegg. So, it's forward to cuts, cuts and more cuts from the "progressive" LibTory tossers .

Still, Clegg has only done it in the national interest ...yeah right.

So Labour wouldn't be making any cuts then?

Jeez I love reading what you entrenched party politicos think if only you could stand back and smell the hypocrisy spilling out.

[Head Honcho]

Listening to the Labour voters you'd think losing the election was brilliant master stroke by Brown.

This has nothing to do with Brown more to do with senior labour MP's not selling their soul to Clegg.

[Fosse Boy]

AV can bite my fat arse.

If it isn't full PR then it isn't worth shit.

Is the correct answer.

[Matt]

BBC 1 now.

Bye bye Gordon Brown, Don't come back, for the first time in your career you are doing something right.

I'd say thanks for his leadership but i've got nothing to be thankful for during his leadership.

[Guest Bilo]

Immediate resignation as PM and Labour leader?! That has surprised me.

A good and dignified speech from him, I may not agree with his politics or his party but he's going out with his head held high.

[Head Honcho]

BBC 1 now.

Bye bye Gordon Brown, Don't come back, for the first time in your career you are doing something right.

I'd say thanks for his leadership but i've got nothing to be thankful for during his leadership.

Question is does Cameron need Clegg now?

I'd love it if he told him to shove it now.

[FoxyPV]

Immediate resignation as PM and Labour leader?! That has surprised me.

A good and dignified speech from him, I may not agree with his politics or his party but he's going out with his head held high.

I think he's been incredibly dignified throughout.

[Guest DavidJCW]

Question is does Cameron need Clegg now?

I'd love it if he told him to shove it now.

Of course he does!

Even if Cameron decides to go it alone with a minority government, he'll have no overall majority and won't be able to pass half the policies he would want as they are so completely different to Labour's and the Lib Dems.

Even though I wanted Brown to go and I thought Labour suffered under him, seeing Cameron enter 10 Downing Street will be a disappointing moment...

[Samilktray]

This is interfering with Eastenders.

Kin hell.

[l444ry]

So Labour wouldn't be making any cuts then?

Jeez I love reading what you entrenched party politicos think if only you could stand back and smell the hypocrisy spilling out.

Of course Labour would have made cuts. That is not even an issue!! It's a matter of how much and how quickly.

During the election the independent Institute of Fiscal Studies analysed the three main parties plans for cutting the deficit. The report suggests that to achieve the target of halving the deficit within the new Parliament, Labour and the Lib Dems would have to impose the harshest cuts on the British economy since the 1970s, while the Conservatives’ cuts would be the worst since the second world war.

Now what's hypocritical or party politico about pointing that out?

[l444ry]

Question is does Cameron need Clegg now?

I'd love it if he told him to shove it now.

Spot on! If Brown had resigned earlier it would have given the green light to the Tories and Cameron would never have offered his version of PR.

[Unit]

This is interfering with Eastenders.

Kin hell.

I share your pain, where's my one show gone?!

[Guest Bilo]

I think he's been incredibly dignified throughout.

In all fairness yes. The only person I feel has come out of this looking less than clean, and it pains to me to say it as a Lib Dem voter, is Nick Clegg for his duplicity. I was disappointed that he decided to speak to a party he had all but publicly dismissed as a 'loser'.

[stez]

i hope clegg has got the 'no tax paid under 10,000 P/A nailed on

[Head Honcho]

Of course he does!

Even if Cameron decides to go it alone with a minority government, he'll have no overall majority and won't be able to pass half the policies he would want as they are so completely different to Labour's and the Lib Dems.

Even though I wanted Brown to go and I thought Labour suffered under him, seeing Cameron enter 10 Downing Street will be a disappointing moment...

Not really.

He could gamble and hope that his lobbyists can get enough Libdem MP's to follow their whip.

It doesn't have to be the same MP's for every bill change and it could make it very interesting.

[davieG]

Of course Labour would have made cuts. That is not even an issue!! It's a matter of how much and how quickly.

During the election the independent Institute of Fiscal Studies analysed the three main parties plans for cutting the deficit. The report suggests that to achieve the target of halving the deficit within the new Parliament, Labour and the Lib Dems would have to impose the harshest cuts on the British economy since the 1970s, while the Conservatives' cuts would be the worst since the second world war.

Now what's hypocritical or party politico about pointing that out?

Because the way you wrote it implied that Labour wouldn't be making cuts, the only difference will be the timing as surely the savings and depth of cuts will need to be the same in the long run so that's what's hypocritical.

Fiscal studies are just that studies, opinion based on projected theoretical figures and are not facts and because it's one or the other making the cuts can never be proved right or wrong and therefore should be taken with a pinch of salt. But as with all party politicos you'll take the ones that suit your argument and ignore the rest.

Is it any wonder that the vast majority of the public have a total disregard bordering on contempt for all this party political mumbo jumbo.

[Head Honcho]

i hope clegg has got the 'no tax paid under 10,000 P/A nailed on

I don't, the low paid get enough bloody benefits as it is!

[Unit]

The man flagging brown from his car at the traffic lights lol

[stez]

I don't, the low paid get enough bloody benefits as it is!

yeah! we all bastard money grabbers! of course NO ONE would pay tax on the first 10,000.

[Legend_in_blue]

There now needs to be clarity from Cameron and Clegg as to exactly what is and what is not agreed on between the pair of them.

As for Brown, cheerio. So who's going to step up to form the new New Labour?

[Head Honcho]

yeah! we all bastard money grabbers! of course NO ONE would pay tax on the first 10,000.

Exactly why it's a bad idea!

The economy needs all the money it can get just now so giving people more money with the risk of inflation rising isn't very fiscal imo.

[stez]

Exactly why it's a bad idea!

The economy needs all the money it can get just now so giving people more money with the risk of inflation rising isn't very fiscal imo.

more money for people to spend in the economy? creating jobs (not just in china) i'm not keen on everyone being employed in the public sector

[Webbo]

i hope clegg has got the 'no tax paid under 10,000 P/A nailed on

So do I ( as long as it's affordable).

Small point; For the first time in my life I'm older than the PM.