Brown Out Cameron In

[Jon the Hat]

Looks like the Labour deal is collapsing.. Clegg looks like he has done himself out of a coalition, unless the Tories are very forgiving. Tory minority looksvthe most likely outcome to me.

[Wycombe Fox]

Reports are, apparently, that Ed Balls has pushed the Lib Dems too far and back into the arms of the Conservatives.

I'll therefore go for my first option - 'What a Balls' Up!'

[Bellend Sebastian]

Reports are, apparently, that Ed Balls has pushed the Lib Dems too far and back into the arms of the Conservatives.

I'll therefore go for my first option - 'What a Balls' Up!'

He must have waved his cock in their faces or something.

And his balls

[Thracian]

No, it's you who needs to keep up.

The term 'national interest' is used by these political scoundrels to conceal the fact that society is in reality made up of opposing classes, each with their own distinct interests, and the government act in the interests of only one class, the ruling class.

How can the interests of big business, whose function is to extract the maximum amount of surplus value from its labour force, be the same interests as their workers who have to fight to protect their working conditions and standards of living?

How can the investment bankers at RBS who were recently paid bonuses of £1.3 billion, be equated to the workers struggling to put food on the table for their families?

How can the interests of workers and youth trying to combat growing debt, unemployment and housing problems be the same as the Duke of Westminster, who is the richest property developer in Britain, with an estimated wealth of £6.75billion and owning vast estates in Lancashire, Cheshire and Scotland as well as internationally owning estates in Canada and Spain?

Whatever form of government is eventually cobbled together, the term 'national interest' will be used as a cover behind which they intend to launch savage attacks on the social conditions of the working class.

If you really believe that I despair.

What have Labour done these last few years for the working Brit other than help destroy their jhobs, give two million of the remaining jobs to foreigners, stack them with unprecedented debt and taxation and continue kicking them in the balls like never before.

Hell what has Labour ever given the working man other than a Health Service and even then they've vastly increased the amount of work that health service must conduct with their deceiptful policy of mass immigration and at who's expense - that of the working taxpayers, of course.

It doesn't sound to me as if you've ever run a business. You mention the bankers but I don't see Cameron showing any sympathy for what they've done but my son runs a successful business and he'd cite the success of that business, not on squeezing his staff in any way but on caring for his staff, giving them chance to grow their abilities, being concerned about their general welfare and offering them incentive to do their best and improve their situation still further.

How else would you sensibly run a business? The people you employ are the lifeblood of a business. What earthly advantage is there in seeing them disgruntled? Your attitude is just the sort the Labour party would seek to provoke of course... yet they have the gall to think they can and should run the economy and have control over business. No wonder so many people want nothing to do with them. People like you are worse than cancer for the internal disharmony you seem to delight in provoking.

[davieG]

To those LibDems moaning that they didn't vote to get a Tory Government well you didn't vote to get a Labour one either. In fact you didn't vote in any kind of Government - get real FFS whoever you end up with whichever government we end up with there's going to be 15million people give or take a million or two who wont be getting the government they wanted. Blame it on the system at least with the AV system the majority will either have their 1st or 2nd choice running the country.

[Wycombe Fox]

...kicking them in the Balls...

It's starting to catch on!

[FoxyPV]

Having several family members who run their own businesses I was privy to a bit of information that accidently slipped out at a family do recently. One family member informed me of how the father put money into all the children's accounts so it was not taxable and then another informed me that he did most of his jobs cash in hand because of tax.

These are two examples of the businesspeople cheating the state through tax evasion and i daresay that this is smallscale compared to what goes on in the City etc but it made me wonder how much the Treasury is cheated out of every year?

It also dawned on me that these two particular people would be the first to complain about benefit fraud yet what these two were doing was tantamount to the same thing.

Hypocrisy? Of course not.

[davieG]

Having several family members who run their own businesses I was privy to a bit of information that accidently slipped out at a family do recently. One family member informed me of how the father put money into all the children's accounts so it was not taxable and then another informed me that he did most of his jobs cash in hand because of tax.

These are two examples of the businesspeople cheating the state through tax evasion and i daresay that this is smallscale compared to what goes on in the City etc but it made me wonder how much the Treasury is cheated out of every year?

It also dawned on me that these two particular people would be the first to complain about benefit fraud yet what these two were doing was tantamount to the same thing.

Hypocrisy? Of course not.

The fundamental problem is that everyone believes the tax burden, taking into account all forms of taxes is too great. This is the yang to the ying of being over burden with bureaucracy. I'd find it hard to believe that anyone no matter what their political allegiance is who doesn't believe this to be the case.

I recently had a spell working for the County Council and spent a high proportion of my time producing facts and figures to try to prove that I was doing my job in an equable manner. Time that could have been spent doing the job I was paid for. As far as I can see this is endemic through not just public bodies but also private industry where I've also worked and encountered similar legally required data to prove fairness. Ironically in most cases it proves nothing of the sort because 'numbers' don't show up attitudes and prejudices.

[l444ry]

If you really believe that I despair.

What have Labour done these last few years for the working Brit other than help destroy their jhobs, give two million of the remaining jobs to foreigners, stack them with unprecedented debt and taxation and continue kicking them in the balls like never before.

Hell what has Labour ever given the working man other than a Health Service and even then they've vastly increased the amount of work that health service must conduct with their deceiptful policy of mass immigration and at who's expense - that of the working taxpayers, of course.

It doesn't sound to me as if you've ever run a business. You mention the bankers but I don't see Cameron showing any sympathy for what they've done but my son runs a successful business and he'd cite the success of that business, not on squeezing his staff in any way but on caring for his staff, giving them chance to grow their abilities, being concerned about their general welfare and offering them incentive to do their best and improve their situation still further.

How else would you sensibly run a business? The people you employ are the lifeblood of a business. What earthly advantage is there in seeing them disgruntled? Your attitude is just the sort the Labour party would seek to provoke of course... yet they have the gall to think they can and should run the economy and have control over business. No wonder so many people want nothing to do with them. People like you are worse than cancer for the internal disharmony you seem to delight in provoking.

I won't comment on your views, Thracian, except to put you right on one thing.

I have been self-employed or a Managing Director of one Ltd. company or another since I was 17 years old, have built up and sold three businesses and am now in the process of doing it again.

So please don't play the novice card with me, thankyou. Also, you'd better tell Alan Sugar he's not right, considering he backs the Labour Party as well.

[breadandcheese]

Having several family members who run their own businesses I was privy to a bit of information that accidently slipped out at a family do recently. One family member informed me of how the father put money into all the children's accounts so it was not taxable and then another informed me that he did most of his jobs cash in hand because of tax.

These are two examples of the businesspeople cheating the state through tax evasion and i daresay that this is smallscale compared to what goes on in the City etc but it made me wonder how much the Treasury is cheated out of every year?

It also dawned on me that these two particular people would be the first to complain about benefit fraud yet what these two were doing was tantamount to the same thing.

Hypocrisy? Of course not.

I'm not really sure how this is relevant.

If they are doing jobs for cash in hand it is tax evasion, is VAT fraud and is illegal. There is nothing else to say on it.

Tax avoidance is not illegal, so the first example is not illegal. I assume they pay the family members dividends, in which case, what is the difference between the children owning shares in the family business or shares in a stock market company?

[Head Honcho]

To those LibDems moaning that they didn't vote to get a Tory Government well you didn't vote to get a Labour one either. In fact you didn't vote in any kind of Government - get real FFS whoever you end up with whichever government we end up with there's going to be 15million people give or take a million or two who wont be getting the government they wanted. Blame it on the system at least with the AV system the majority will either have their 1st or 2nd choice running the country.

I wish people would understand that there will be no Labour, Tory or Liberal government there will be a coalition government................................... end of story that's what we voted for!

It's likely that a Tory MP will lead the coalition party but he'll basically just be a puppet and in Cameron's case it looks like he's sold the crown jewels to get his arse in Numbe 10.

He and Clegg will live to regret a coalition.................watch this space.

[breadandcheese]

I wish people would understand that there will be no Labour, Tory or Liberal government there will be a coalition government................................... end of story that's what we voted for!

It's likely that a Tory MP will lead the coalition party but he'll basically just be a puppet and in Cameron's case it looks like he's sold the crown jewels to get his arse in Numbe 10.

He and Clegg will live to regret a coalition.................watch this space.

I think you're right and I think cleverest politician awards should go to John Reid and David Blunkett in helping to stop a Labour-Lib Dem coalition.

For every quote of "Labour will be better placed in opposition to regroup and fight the Tory spending cuts" read "Phew, we dodged that one. The cuts have to be made and it won't be us pulling the trigger."

[Head Honcho]

I think you're right and I think cleverest politician awards should go to John Reid and David Blunkett in helping to stop a Labour-Lib Dem coalition.

For every quote of "Labour will be better placed in opposition to regroup and fight the Tory spending cuts" read "Phew, we dodged that one. The cuts have to be made and it won't be us pulling the trigger."

The best thing Cameron can do now is say to Clegg, sod you we'll go it alone and form a minority government.

In the long run he'll be better off.

[FoxyPV]

I'm not really sure how this is relevant.

If they are doing jobs for cash in hand it is tax evasion, is VAT fraud and is illegal. There is nothing else to say on it.

Tax avoidance is not illegal, so the first example is not illegal. I assume they pay the family members dividends, in which case, what is the difference between the children owning shares in the family business or shares in a stock market company?

The mention of businesses just brought it to mind.

As far as I am aware the only benefit they get from it is the money that it brings in (which could be enough reward )

Back on topic:

Labour would be absolutely foolish to join govt now especially with cuts that are going to have to be made.

From today's G2

Last month it was reported that the bank's governor, Mervyn King, had privately told another economist, a visiting American called David Hale, that whichever party next governed Britain, it would have to cut public spending so brutally that it would subsequently be out of power for a generation. The bank has refused to confirm the nature of King and Hale's conversation. But King's alleged remarks do not seem that improbable: the Financial Times recently calculated that to reduce the deficit at a rate acceptable to Britain's creditors "would require all of the following: a 5% cut in public sector pay; freezing benefits . . . means-testing child benefit; abolishing winter fuel payments . . . reducing prison numbers by a quarter; axing the two planned aircraft carriers; withdrawing free bus passes for pensioners . . . halving roads maintenance; stopping school building . . . and cutting funding to Scotland and Wales by 10%."

Not looking good for Lib-Con coalition that seems to be forming now.

[breadandcheese]

Not looking good for Lib-Con coalition that seems to be forming now.

I just hope that Labour in opposition do not make a big play against the spending cuts when they too would have had to do the same if they had formed the government.

[Fosse Boy]

I just don't see Clegg accepting AV. It still doesn't offer you a parliament which is truly proportional to where the votes went.

[FoxyPV]

I just hope that Labour in opposition do not make a big play against the spending cuts when they too would have had to do the same if they had formed the government.

I think some cuts will be forced through and some will get through with cross party consensus. I think they will make a big song and dance about it but let the coalition inflict lasting damage on itself.

[Daggers]

AV can bite my fat arse.

If it isn't full PR then it isn't worth shit.

[l444ry]

I know it is not over until someone sings….. BUT….The excitement and anticipation is just too much. It seems a lash-up made in hell between the two clones, one in the orange tie and the other in the blue tie, is edging closer. Who knows what goodies the Tories have promised the LibDems. But one thing is for sure this will possibly be political suicide for the LibDems. But in the words of Catherine Tate, ‘am I bovvered’…

Also, how long, if it goes ahead, will this lash-up last? Will it stumble and fall at the first hurdle? Will we be looking at another General Election in the next couple of months. All I will say, ok I am pre-empting but so what, is sayonara to the bourgeois party that represented Tories in yellow.

[davieG]

I know it is not over until someone sings….. BUT….The excitement and anticipation is just too much. It seems a lash-up made in hell between the two clones, one in the orange tie and the other in the blue tie, is edging closer. Who knows what goodies the Tories have promised the LibDems. But one thing is for sure this will possibly be political suicide for the LibDems. But in the words of Catherine Tate, 'am I bovvered'…

Also, how long, if it goes ahead, will this lash-up last? Will it stumble and fall at the first hurdle? Will we be looking at another General Election in the next couple of months. All I will say, ok I am pre-empting but so what, is sayonara to the bourgeois party that represented Tories in yellow.

The same could be said of a LibLab pact, fundamentally it's because we have bland self serving career politicians that the public no longer trust. I'm sure we'd all like it better if they weren't needed.

[dandannieldanok]

I hope we don't get PR (even if that means my vote won't count for anything for many elections to come). In fact, I hope the Liberals don't really get anything they want, they simple don't deserve it, and I'm dead against all this coalition stuff given the events of the last few days. As a Labour voter, I'm glad Labour will not be entering a coalition and hopefully in the not too distant future Miliband gets voted as leader and a strong, healthy opposition can form. Also, even as a Tory hater, I'd rather they just went it alone and formed a minority govt rather than going with the Liberals. The electorate made it quite clear that the Liberals are very much a 3rd place party, regressing rather than progressing (seatwise). It's frustrating to see Nick Clegg out there able to force his ideals upon the Tories when the electorate simply don't want them.

[Head Honcho]

The same could be said of a LibLab pact, fundamentally it's because we have bland self serving career politicians that the public no longer trust. I'm sure we'd all like it better if they weren't needed.

Precisely the reason why senior labour MP's want to just bite the bullet and give the premiership to Cameron.

Once Labour MP's have got used to the fact that they're now the opposition they'll just sit back and enjoy the ride.

.......................with a big fvck off grin on their faces!

[l444ry]

The same could be said of a LibLab pact, fundamentally it's because we have bland self serving career politicians that the public no longer trust. I'm sure we'd all like it better if they weren't needed.

At least there was some serious opposition to jumping into bed with calamity Clegg. So, it's forward to cuts, cuts and more cuts from the "progressive" LibTory tossers .

Still, Clegg has only done it in the national interest ...yeah right.

[Legend_in_blue]

This is turning out to be a great evening. Brown out tonight.

Hopefully this good news can carry over into tomorrow night!

[Webbo]

Listening to the Labour voters you'd think losing the election was brilliant master stroke by Brown.