Future England Stars.

[Dames]

I'm going to get a little more optimistic and start a discussion about the players that could be representing us at future Tournaments. Despite what people say i think theres quite a few quality youngsters that can and should make the step up and become International Stars.

My list is.

Jack Wilshire - Has the potential to be our Ozil aslong as Wenger schools him right. He's got 2 good feet, an eye for a pass and he can dribble a ball. He's also pretty quick but he's not the greatest defensive player in the world.

Theo Walcott - Time to make this kid the striker he was supposed to be. Lightning quick and he knows how to score a goal and he's not the worst dribbler of the ball. The boy has got immense talent and it would be a shame to waste it playing him in a position he isn't entirely comfortable and confident playing in.

Jack Rodwell - Tall, Strong in the tackle and very good on the ball technically all the makings of a perfect holding midfielder. He shown on several occasions last season that he's going to be a massive player for Everton and Possibly England in the near future.

Adam Johnson - He's fast, he can dribble, he can cross and best of all he's left footed. In the half a season he's spent at Man City he's quickly become accustomed to premier league football and hasn't looked out of his depth at all. I'm hoping he can pick up where he left off last season and force his way into the England First team.

Joe Hart - Arguably the most inform Keeper in the Premier League last season and was one of the main reasons Birmingham finished as high as they did. He's an excellent shot stopper and he's also very calm and confident. Hopefully he pushes on and keeps on improving.

Theres also players that are in the squad right now Such as Lennon, Milner, Rooney, Glen Johnson, Dawson. Players that have been involved with squads such as Huddlestone, Jagielka, Cahill, Bent and Lescott. These players are all good players and should be around for a few years to come yet.

So it seems there is a future after the 'Golden generation' after all.

Please feel free to add more to the list and discuss the points made above.

[Bilo]

Without wanting to sound like a reactionary idiot, I honestly believe that investment in youth has been so poor in this country that the next England World Cup winning captain is probably still in primary school.

It's going to take time before we're competitive again, but we have to start going with young players and encouraging young English lads in the clubs around this country.

[Dames]

Without wanting to sound like a reactionary idiot, I honestly believe that investment in youth has been so poor in this country that the next England World Cup winning captain is probably still in primary school.

It's going to take time before we're competitive again, but we have to start going with young players and encouraging young English lads in the clubs around this country.

I think we have what it takes to be competitive at the Euros as long as players are brought along properly and played in the correct positions. At least half of the current squad should be wrote off immediately and never feature for England again, they have been the problem for many years now.

We need younger hungrier players playing in correct positions that have the energy and attitude to impress.

A lineup like this

Hart

G.Johnson

Cahill

Dawson

A.Cole

Lennon

Milner

Wilshire

Rodwell

A.Johnson

Rooney/Walcott

That team has the potential to go quite far in 2 years time if they keep making the progress they are now.

[BlueSi13]

Without wanting to sound like a reactionary idiot, I honestly believe that investment in youth has been so poor in this country that the next England World Cup winning captain is probably still in primary school.

It's going to take time before we're competitive again, but we have to start going with young players and encouraging young English lads in the clubs around this country.

Clearly you failed to notice that the England under 21's made it to the UEFA U21 final last year where we lost to a German team playing that same 10 man behind the ball counter attacking style that beat us tonight, a team which also had Ozil, Neuer, Boating amongst others in it.

But most importantly the England U17's won their first major tournament this year beating Spain in the final....

Overall our youth teams are playing MUCH better than they have in the past....as ive said previously, people are panicking when in truth it was a shocking RESULT, not an entirely shocking performance....

[Koke]

I can't see anything exciting coming out of the U21 kids. The U17 look good by all accounts, but the next crop of English players are worse than this lot.

Look at Mesut Ozil and Sami Khedira who successfully stepped up from the U21, whilst we have Adam Johnson sitting at home [he could have been a good help for us].

I hope to see a squad like this or something along this. Add a few or take a few off as you like.

Joe Hart

Chris Kirkland

Ben Foster

Micah Richards

Michael Dawson

Glen Johnson

Keiron Gibbs

Leighton Baines

Roger Johnson

Gary Cahill

Jack Rodwell

Jack Wilshere

Aaron Lennon

Tom Huddlestone

Ashley Young

Lee Cattermole

Victor Moses

James Milner

Mark Noble

Wayne Rooney

Darren Bent

Danny Sturridge

Gabby Agbonlahor

A team like this

Hart

G. Johnson - Richards - Dawson - A. Cole

Cattermole - Rodwell

A. Johnson - Wilshere - Walcott

Rooney

I'm just trying to throw suggestions out there.

[Tilley]

johsnonnnnnn

[Dames]

I can't see anything exciting coming out of the U21 kids. The U17 look good by all accounts, but the next crop of English players are worse than this lot.

Look at Mesut Ozil and Sami Khedira who successfully stepped up from the U21, whilst we have Adam Johnson sitting at home [he could have been a good help for us].

This is because of the age old English mentality of playing it safe and relying on experience. The Germans took the risk of handing a few of their exciting youngsters the chance to impress and they have. Maybe if Capello and the FA had some balls they would have given players like Johnson a chance to shine but they instead opted for experience and playing the trying our best not to lose game.

I fully believe that if the younger players are brought on properly then the future doesn't seem so dull.

[breadandcheese]

We undoubtedly have talent bursting through. i don't buy all the rubbish that we don't. Our U21's have had good tournaments in the past few years and looked quite useful, so it is about bringing them through. They won't have the talent of brazil, but then as long as they play as a team, rather than a collection of individuals like the shower we've endured in this tournament, we have a chance.

Not just the names mentioned above, but we have Gibbs, Cattermole, Richards, all who look like they can form a team, rather than play as individuals.

I do fear a little for Wilshere. So much hope and expectation placed on the shoulders of someone who has never played a full season, and all because he can control and pass a ball more naturally than the likes of the so-called "golden generation". Mind you, why let that spoil us putting undue expectation and pressure on someone who is barely old enough to vote.

[Sparky]

I can't see anything exciting coming out of the U21 kids. The U17 look good by all accounts, but the next crop of English players are worse than this lot.

Look at Mesut Ozil and Sami Khedira who successfully stepped up from the U21, whilst we have Adam Johnson sitting at home [he could have been a good help for us].

I hope to see a squad like this or something along this. Add a few or take a few off as you like.

Joe Hart

Chris Kirkland

Ben Foster

Micah Richards

Michael Dawson

Glen Johnson

Keiron Gibbs

Leighton Baines

Roger Johnson

Gary Cahill

Jack Rodwell

Jack Wilshere

Aaron Lennon

Tom Huddlestone

Ashley Young

Lee Cattermole

Victor Moses

James Milner

Mark Noble

Wayne Rooney

Darren Bent

Danny Sturridge

Gabby Agbonlahor

A team like this

Hart

G. Johnson - Richards - Dawson - A. Cole

Cattermole - Rodwell

A. Johnson - Wilshere - Walcott

Rooney

I'm just trying to throw suggestions out there.

Shame Richards form dipped, looked a good player couple of seasons back. Big season for him coming up

[Bilo]

Any chance of us naturalising some Brazilians, Ghanaians and Polish players?

[Fosse Boy]

There were a couple of Spaniards who I reckon should've got the call at some point in the past couple of years...

[StanSP]

There were a couple of Spaniards who I reckon should've got the call at some point in the past couple of years...

Arteta definitely. The other one (Almunia) I'm not so sure.

Rodwell will be future England captain I think.

[Bugg]

Connor Wickham will be a future star from what I have heard about him.

[Edmund]

Jack Hobbs

[Dames]

Connor Wickham will be a future star from what I have heard about him.

The Euros might come a little too early for this fella though.

And lets be real, No matter what kind of striking talent we produce Rooney has a spot nailed down for the next 10 years at least. Regardless of form.

[ACF]

Weale

G. Johnson Morrison Hobbs A.Cole

Cattermole - Rodwell

A. Johnson - Wilshere - Walcott

Fryatt

[Koke]

Any chance of us naturalising some Brazilians, Ghanaians and Polish players?

Seriously, why not?

Since there's a large influx of foreigners here, England should just naturalise a bunch of Eastern Europeans, Africans and Spaniards. The Germany key players all have Turkish, Polish and Tunisian descent. France and Portugal are similar as well, and they make no excuses about it. Most nations you will find 2 or 3 players who are naturalised. England must be the only country who happen to have all their players born in the United Kingdom. Owen Hargreaves is the only exception, but he was born to English/Welsh parents anyway.

I know people don't like it and it's a short term fix, but everyone else seem to be taking advantage of this. Just saying like.

[Jon the Hat]

The question is, why in England do we think it is a bad idea to expose these kids to the England team, and to international football when they are still young? Play them when they have no fear FFS. The longer we leave is the less likely they are to become a fixture in the team in the longer term.

[marbelladave]

First and foremost we have to get real. England produce players to play in the Premier League, there is no thought towards international football whatsoever, and that is not going to change anytime soon. However, despite the numbers of foreign players, we do produce a fair number of good players, we really could and should be doing better. So what next.

We have to dump the tattered remnants of the 'Golden Generation' (Golden Shower more like) and start again. The only players from the current squad who should be retained in the squad for the start of Euro qualifying are Hart, Milner and Lennon. Johnson (G), Cole (A) and Rooney should be told that they will be brought back once the team/squad has gone through a period of rebuilding and is forging its own identity.

There are plenty of names listed above so I will not duplicate them, most of the players listed are inexperience and we as yet have no idea of the combinations that will and will not work, that needs to be sorted out in training and friendlies.

Clearly the emphasis has to be on youth but more importantly the players need to be selected for the kind of qualities that work at International level, picking the best Premiership players simply does not work! Some players, about half the current team in fact, have games that work superbly week in week out in the Premiership but fail totally at international level, we have been picking these kind of players for years and they have rarely performed when it matters.

Interestingly I think there are players who may not be among the superstars of the Premier League who would actually be more suited to International football, to me it is no coincidence that Barry, our best midfielder in recent years, has never played for a Top 4 team or in the Champions League and I reckon there are plenty more like him out there,

[Alexikokopops]

Clearly you failed to notice that the England under 21's made it to the UEFA U21 final last year where we lost to a German team playing that same 10 man behind the ball counter attacking style that beat us tonight, a team which also had Ozil, Neuer, Boating amongst others in it.

But most importantly the England U17's won their first major tournament this year beating Spain in the final....

Overall our youth teams are playing MUCH better than they have in the past....as ive said previously, people are panicking when in truth it was a shocking RESULT, not an entirely shocking performance....

You say "10 man behind the ball counter attacking style" as though it's a bad thing. The fact is that England are about as predictable as they come. We've shown an inability to keep the ball, and so Germany had no need to press us to get it. What's the point in tiring yourselves out if you know the opposition is going to gift you the ball within three passes anyway? THAT'S one of the major problems we have, and it was evident in the U21 final last year where the scoreline was even worst.

[shen]

Seriously, why not?

Since there's a large influx of foreigners here, England should just naturalise a bunch of Eastern Europeans, Africans and Spaniards. The Germany key players all have Turkish, Polish and Tunisian descent. France and Portugal are similar as well, and they make no excuses about it. Most nations you will find 2 or 3 players who are naturalised. England must be the only country who happen to have all their players born in the United Kingdom. Owen Hargreaves is the only exception, but he was born to English/Welsh parents anyway.

I know people don't like it and it's a short term fix, but everyone else seem to be taking advantage of this. Just saying like.

...England have taken full advantage of the former colonies (just look at the skin colour of six of the fourteen players that appeared yesterday) for decades, like France and Portugal for that matter. Granted as you say, apart from Hargreaves, they've all been born within English borders, but how much does that matter anyway?

[Jon the Hat]

I would rather see a team of less "successful" players in league terms who fit well together and want to deliver something together for England. We have to stop picking the best players and wedging them into the team regardless of whether it works. Pick a system that will be flexible enough for international football and start picking players that fit into it, whether they play for Man U or Blackpool.

[marbelladave]

I would rather see a team of less "successful" players in league terms who fit well together and want to deliver something together for England. We have to stop picking the best players and wedging them into the team regardless of whether it works. Pick a system that will be flexible enough for international football and start picking players that fit into it, whether they play for Man U or Blackpool.

Good but there is a little more to it than that.

The qualities that make top Premier League players are not the same as those qualities that make good international teams. Brazil, Argentina and Spain all have players who failed to make a real impact in the Premier League but are fixtures in the best international teams on the planet.

Look, for example, at someone like Tom Huddlestone, before his current weight problems (seems to be a Tottenham thing) I thought he would be a natural in international football. Sometimes he looks lost in the hurly burly of club football but his passing, composure and defensive skills make him an obvious choice in one of England's problem postitions but he was never given a chance, why, because more successful club players were ahead of him in the queue despite being completely unsuited to the role.

[Alexikokopops]

Good but there is a little more to it than that.

The qualities that make top Premier League players are not the same as those qualities that make good international teams. Brazil, Argentina and Spain all have players who failed to make a real impact in the Premier League but are fixtures in the best international teams on the planet.

Which links to the point I made about our inability to retain the ball. This doesn't matter so much in the fast paced game that is the Premier League, but in international football it's more important. The Spanish league, for instance, thrives on this ball retention, and it's this (amongst a myriad of other things) that makes the Spanish so formidable.

You say "10 man behind the ball counter attacking style" as though it's a bad thing. The fact is that England are about as predictable as they come. We've shown an inability to keep the ball, and so Germany had no need to press us to get it. What's the point in tiring yourselves out if you know the opposition is going to gift you the ball within three passes anyway? THAT'S one of the major problems we have, and it was evident in the U21 final last year where the scoreline was even worst.

[Dames]

Which links to the point I made about our inability to retain the ball. This doesn't matter so much in the fast paced game that is the Premier League, but in international football it's more important. The Spanish league, for instance, thrives on this ball retention, and it's this (amongst a myriad of other things) that makes the Spanish so formidable.

The thing is quite a few of the bigger clubs tend to knock it around quite well in the Premiership. The media and pundits get this fast paced business from slugger teams such as Stoke, Blackburn and Bolton who just hoof the ball up the pitch and charge it down and play like an absolute bunch of thugs. Somehow this mentality manages to transfer itself to the national setup i don't know how because there isn't many players or staff in the squad that are associated with teams that play like this week in week out.