tony soprano Posted 16 August 2010 Posted 16 August 2010 In king, wellens and oakley i believe there is a definate lack of ability to break up play i reckon with king, wellens and a decent defensive mid infront of the back 4 is defo needed (which this more creative freedom style of play)
dandannieldanok Posted 16 August 2010 Posted 16 August 2010 Not in my personal opinion, Oakley (in particular) and Wellens did a more than adequate protecting job against Boro.
Callabinho Posted 16 August 2010 Posted 16 August 2010 Well Moreno seems to like a crazy challenge! i think he would be brilliant at this level in defensive midfield!
FoxesFan123 Posted 16 August 2010 Posted 16 August 2010 I think we need someone quite the opposite! A creative, attacking midfielder. Someone who can create chances for the forwards. Izzet-esq
Cobbo Posted 16 August 2010 Posted 16 August 2010 As has been said, Oakley looks quite adept at the roll & Wellens is a good deep lying play maker. Moreno also seems like he would be a great DMC, as he's not strong enough in the air to be a out and out centre half, but has good technical ability along with his tight marking & strong tackling,
Walshy5 Posted 16 August 2010 Posted 16 August 2010 I think we need someone quite the opposite! A creative, attacking midfielder. Someone who can create chances for the forwards. Izzet-esq Agreed Shame we didnt get Koren
Callabinho Posted 16 August 2010 Posted 16 August 2010 Agreed Shame we didnt get Koren Cheeky bid for Jimmy Bullard?
ian_marshall Posted 16 August 2010 Posted 16 August 2010 Definitely Moreno will fulfil this role. I thought he brought the ball out of defence very well on Saturday and would be far better suited to midfield. I have to agree with FoxesFan123, we desperately need to sign a creative midfielder who scores goals if we are to secure an automatic spot. If you look at the teams that sealed the promotion last season, Newcastle had Nolan,West Brom relied heavily on Dorrans, whilst Blackpool had Adams doing the business. Coupled with a goal scorer and a tight defence this is a surefire route to success in this division. The only problem is this type of player is few and far between and when they do become available there's generally lots of competition for their services. In all honesty, I think we missed out on quite a number of playmakers who potentially could have been prised away from their clubs over the summer, namely: Taarabt, Ambrose, Koumas, Colace. The only players in this mould left seem to be the usual suspects Pratley and Whittingham but I think if we went after either player given other clubs interests, we may end up paying over the odds. The only other player that springs to mind that I thought looked useful last season in this type if role was Chaplow of Preston but I have no idea of his availabilty or potential price.
Salieri Posted 16 August 2010 Posted 16 August 2010 Definitely Moreno will fulfil this role. I thought he brought the ball out of defence very well on Saturday and would be far better suited to midfield. I have to agree with FoxesFan123, we desperately need to sign a creative midfielder who scores goals if we are to secure an automatic spot. If you look at the teams that sealed the promotion last season, Newcastle had Nolan,West Brom relied heavily on Dorrans, whilst Blackpool had Adams doing the business. Coupled with a goal scorer and a tight defence this is a surefire route to success in this division. The only problem is this type of player is few and far between and when they do become available there's generally lots of competition for their services. In all honesty, I think we missed out on quite a number of playmakers who potentially could have been prised away from their clubs over the summer, namely: Taarabt, Ambrose, Koumas, Colace. The only players in this mould left seem to be the usual suspects Pratley and Whittingham but I think if we went after either player given other clubs interests, we may end up paying over the odds. The only other player that springs to mind that I thought looked useful last season in this type if role was Chaplow of Preston but I have no idea of his availabilty or potential price. A fair post but i believe we already have the man for the job in Andy King. If he is liberated from defensive duties with the addition of Moreno to the midfield then he really could come into his own. He already gets a few goals but given a bit of license to attack and i reckon we could see what the lad is really capable of.
Callabinho Posted 16 August 2010 Posted 16 August 2010 A fair post but i believe we already have the man for the job in Andy King. If he is liberated from defensive duties with the addition of Moreno to the midfield then he really could come into his own. He already gets a few goals but given a bit of license to attack and i reckon we could see what the lad is really capable of. Franck Moussa!! at 21 he has time to learn! by the end of the season i bet he will coming on and causing trouble! He seems like a nippy player with nice footwork, i think we will be pleasantly surprised when we see him play!
ian_marshall Posted 16 August 2010 Posted 16 August 2010 A fair post but i believe we already have the man for the job in Andy King. If he is liberated from defensive duties with the addition of Moreno to the midfield then he really could come into his own. He already gets a few goals but given a bit of license to attack and i reckon we could see what the lad is really capable of. I totally agree with your post about Andy King, and I was very close to writing the same thing as I feel he is more than capable of fulfilling this role. My only concern is whether or not it would be right at this stage of his career to put that level of expectation and responsibility on his shoulders.
tony soprano Posted 16 August 2010 Author Posted 16 August 2010 so its a no then haha for me king can be the gerrard from midfield in terms of goals (look at his record he averages 1 in 5) which is ok and wellens can create in a andrea pirlo kinda way all you need is a makalele
Guest Basildon Fox Posted 16 August 2010 Posted 16 August 2010 I totally agree with your post about Andy King, and I was very close to writing the same thing as I feel he is more than capable of fulfilling this role. My only concern is whether or not it would be right at this stage of his career to put that level of expectation and responsibility on his shoulders. He is now into his third season of full first team football. If he isn't ready now he never will be. He is not a teenager anymore so should be able to handle the role. Infact I personally think he would thrive. As has been said before but I still think it is apt. He is the poor mans Frank Lampard and the progression he has shown since he has forced his way into the team means he may not be a poor mans anybody sooner rather than later.
ibbosuk Posted 16 August 2010 Posted 16 August 2010 In the next week or so, I am expecting Sousa to use all his foreign contacts and bring in the following. 1) I see us getting a fast attacting foreign International class Goalscoring Midfielder. 2) Also a tall, Young, lean, fast, foreign International class centre forward. I don't see him buying home based players.
broughtonblue Posted 16 August 2010 Posted 16 August 2010 Just a thought but nicky butt has been released by Newcastle I believe. I know he is getting on a bit but could he not only fill the role but could pass on masses of experience to the younger lads in the team and also in the dressing room.
marbelladave Posted 16 August 2010 Posted 16 August 2010 A fair post but i believe we already have the man for the job in Andy King. If he is liberated from defensive duties with the addition of Moreno to the midfield then he really could come into his own. He already gets a few goals but given a bit of license to attack and i reckon we could see what the lad is really capable of. Absolutely, I have made this point many times before... The beauty is that you just have to let him play his natural game, he gets up and down for fun, helps out defensively, switches play quickly on the counter and provides a real goal threat arriving late in the box. All these attempts to give him a specific role (attacking mid on saturday, holding player under NFP) are a nonsense, he is the key player in our midfield. Now that people are beginning to understand this, it is time for the next leap of faith, ok deep breath, He will not be able to take control of our midfield while Wellens remains in the side... Wellens, as the senior and more assertive player always tries to take control, this leaves King in a supporting role where he is only partialy effective. Even worse Wellens dwells on the ball looking for the perfect pass, by the time he makes it even if it finds a City player (and it often does not) it is usually far too late! Without being at all 'showy' King switches the play quickly and gets the ball forward before the defense is properly set, players like Dyer and DJ want the ball early, but all too often it doesn't come. How many times have we seen DJ screaming for the ball to be played up to him then reacting with frustration because it takes an age to get to him... Pace is not all about running fast, it's about thinking fast as well!
Donut Posted 17 August 2010 Posted 17 August 2010 Think the midfield has lots of balance already Oakley looks a lot better as a water carrier in midfield and is perfect for freeing up Kingy to arrive late in the box and Wellens to thread balls. Also can move Moreno into midfield when Vitor is fit. And not forgetting Moussa too
Leicester_Loyal Posted 17 August 2010 Posted 17 August 2010 I think we need better wingers and maybe a attacking midfielder who can get 15+ goals. A long term RB who is young is also what I want.
Ric Flair Posted 17 August 2010 Posted 17 August 2010 Moreno is our man. If we get all our squad fit, I think the only position that needs strengthening is on the wing and possibly up front. Andy King is our most important player, his improvement in the past few years has been sensational. I agree with Marbelladave that our team should be built around utilising his ability to score goals and hurt opposition with his composure and movement. I would imagine Sousa will do this over time as he was a midfielder himself and as Wellens isn't 'one of his' players, he won't have as much affiliation with playing him if it's not what our side needs to perform how we want to.
davieG Posted 17 August 2010 Posted 17 August 2010 I agree with Marbella and Ric and anyone else with the same viewpoint.
marbelladave Posted 17 August 2010 Posted 17 August 2010 Moreno is our man. If we get all our squad fit, I think the only position that needs strengthening is on the wing and possibly up front. Andy King is our most important player, his improvement in the past few years has been sensational. I agree with Marbelladave that our team should be built around utilising his ability to score goals and hurt opposition with his composure and movement. I would imagine Sousa will do this over time as he was a midfielder himself and as Wellens isn't 'one of his' players, he won't have as much affiliation with playing him if it's not what our side needs to perform how we want to. I agree with Marbella and Ric and anyone else with the same viewpoint. My God... My views are becoming mainstream, I must really be losing it... Cue long rambling post about the temperature of the pies................!
davieG Posted 17 August 2010 Posted 17 August 2010 My God... My views are becoming mainstream, I must really be losing it... Cue long rambling post about the temperature of the pies................! I often do, I've long observed Wellens short comings, of slowing the game down, dwelling on the ball/being robbed and his over ambitious often unnecessary passing. Problem is people see Kings sideways and back passing and criticise him forgetting that more often than not there are reasons for it, sometimes in order to retain possession and sometimes so he can move into a better position of course he makes mistakes. Then they see Wellens producing a speculative exciting pass forgetting all the times he robbed of the ball because he's dallied with it and his many misplaced paces although I do feel both have shown improvements this season. I often smile in the ratings when you see 8 Wellens a few misplaced passes but good over all involvement 6 King didn't notice him Probably because he didn't misplace his passes. Even on Saturday when he was virtually our only goal threat, scoring a perfectly good and well executed goal from open play, hitting the cross bar, and breaking though to put a lovely short pass in front of Howard for him to have a decent shot on goal people were still giving him relatively poor scores with comments like: King - 6 Played ok not realy in it much today (equal lowest score) King 6 (Was a goal threat as always and made some good runs, but never had the composure of Oakley and Wellens)(equal lowest score) King - 6 No mistakes but was out of the game (lowest score) King - 6 lots of work but didnt really shine for me (lowest score) King -6- A threat but quiet. (equal lowest score) Even though it wasn't his most influential game he still produced more than most and to be scored the lowest by so many I'm really not sure what people expect.
marbelladave Posted 17 August 2010 Posted 17 August 2010 I often do, I've long observed Wellens short comings, of slowing the game down, dwelling on the ball/being robbed and his over ambitious often unnecessary passing. Problem is people see Kings sideways and back passing and criticise him forgetting that more often than not there are reasons for it, sometimes in order to retain possession and sometimes so he can move into a better position of course he makes mistakes. Then they see Wellens producing a speculative exciting pass forgetting all the times he robbed of the ball because he's dallied with it and his many misplaced paces although I do feel both have shown improvements this season. I often smile in the ratings when you see 8 Wellens a few misplaced passes but good over all involvement 6 King didn't notice him Probably because he didn't misplace his passes. Even on Saturday when he was virtually our only goal threat, scoring a perfectly good and well executed goal from open play, hitting the cross bar, and breaking though to put a lovely short pass in front of Howard for him to have a decent shot on goal people were still giving him relatively poor scores with comments like: King - 6 Played ok not realy in it much today (equal lowest score) King 6 (Was a goal threat as always and made some good runs, but never had the composure of Oakley and Wellens)(equal lowest score) King - 6 No mistakes but was out of the game (lowest score) King - 6 lots of work but didnt really shine for me (lowest score) King -6- A threat but quiet. (equal lowest score) Even though it wasn't his most influential game he still produced more than most and to be scored the lowest by so many I'm really not sure what people expect. I thought his lack of influence was most probably due to him being pushed forward into a more attacking role, it is easy to understand why that is done, but it really did not work. It left Wellens to run the midfield with the results already noted and King's forward position was more easily seen by the 'boro defenders. Sousa needs to find a solution to this issue as it is pivotal to how we play and how we will do this season, I think a midfield of Oakley (Moreno in due course?), King and Gallagher is worth a try, it worked pretty well in Wellens' absence last season. As for King's low marks, forget about it, it says more about the person making the post than the player concerned!...
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