Fosse boys to be ejected - time to make a stand

[Craig]

Oh and completely disagree with this. The guys in the fluro jackets for the most part are good guys and are forced to do whatever they are told or face losing their jobs. If anything, god forbid, did go massively wrong on a Saturday afternoon, those 'gayboys' would be the ones making sure everyone got out the ground safely.

The issue of 'paying for a seat and doing what you want' is also stupid. You pay for seats on the bus and yet you can't do whatever you want, why is a football ground any different?

Exactly. If you want to stand on a bus, you can. Why is a football ground any different?

[The Year Of The Fox]

heres mine ive just sent...

I've just heard your threat to evict the new group, 'the fosse ultras' or whatever they call themselves. I find your behaviour in this absolutley disgusting. What exactly are they doing wrong? You should be promoting an atmosphere at the Walkers, not killing it anymore than it already is. Why were we allowed a singing section the other side of the away fans a few seasons back, yet you try and bully these young lads into eviction??

They have paid their money for a season ticket/matchday ticket, just like everyone else and are therefore entitled to support the team however they want. I've been going to games for many years now but this is my first time as a season ticket holder. I'm in L Block. Why? becuase you can stand, and the fans there sure as hell won't sit down if asked. And if that ever did happen, I would be demanding a full refund for my season ticket.

You should retract your threat to these lads. They are not in the way or obstructing anybody else's views. I would also demand a written apology to them, and probably even a free matchday ticket. to compensate.

You are killing football as it once was, and how the majority of fans like to watch it. These fans are comititted lads, not the day trippers who will turn their backs on the club when the chips are down. Once that inevitably happens, you'll be wishing for all the support you can get to once again fill your greedy pockets.

DISGRACE

[sbfox]

what?? all over nothing???

the club has threatened us saying that of we dont move to K1 they will ban us, so it isnt about standing as they will let us stand there? so that doesnt really make sense

the complaints to the club can only be about noise,

we didnt kick up a storm either! we never in a million years thought we would get so much support, we thought maybe 2 or 3 emails in our favour, when it comes down to it the club has told us that we cant do what we do in the kop, we cant stand or sing, but we can in K1 so sorry to everyone who is in the kop and wants an atmopshere because it looks like you arent allowed one

how can people not see that the club have complete double standards?

i have just typed what i have been told over the phone, if they emailed us then i would happily copy them to this forum for everyone to see, but the club dont want that

Where's this K1 stuff come from?! And if they're offering you the chance to move to K1, why not take it? At least that way you'll be able to carry on your 'mission' and you might get some more members, especially as K1 has lots more singers than the back corner of the Kop.

Obviously the club have double standards on this, but from the clubs' perspective, can you not see how having one group of standers located in one place is much better than having several dotted around the ground? It would mean more time and money being spent of stewards looking after you, it would more resources would have to be spent on you and to be quite honest, I can see why they would rather have you located with the other standers.

[Mr Hanky]

what?? all over nothing???

the club has threatened us saying that of we dont move to K1 they will ban us, so it isnt about standing as they will let us stand there? so that doesnt really make sense

the complaints to the club can only be about noise,

we didnt kick up a storm either!

Hate to butt in here, but that's cobblers

You specifically stated that the complaints were because you were too noisy which, quite rightly, has caused outrage amongst every City fan and has led to the flood of emails in support of your cause

Now you are saying that you don't actually know what thye complaints say - but are merely assuming that the complaints are about noise. You don't appear to know what they are about at all, and have therefore misled everyone. The complaints might well be others around you being disgruntled that they are sitting down abiding by the godawful stupid rules we are stuck with and that are rigorously enforced in everywhere but L1, but you were allowed to get away with standing for the whole game

The reaction tells you that many City fans support your right to sing and shout, and say what you bloody well please at a football match, especially in the 'Kop' - and they are rightly furious. Sadly you have led them up the garden path, and they may well have nothing to be furious about at all

In the club's eyes you have set your cause back to an almost irretrievable level, and that's very sad indeed, because it was a good one

[Tommeh]

To everyone wanting the Fosse boys to continue whilst sitting, it would never work, atmospheres just don't happen sitting down.

The group need to carry on exactly as usual and hope that all the support over the web is carried on by the kop

[sbfox]

Exactly. If you want to stand on a bus, you can. Why is a football ground any different?

Ha. Ha.

Its just the way the law is at the moment, ever since Hillsboro (as well you know...). You have to work with the system on this issue (campaigns like SUSD), not rebel against it, as it will only lead to banning orders for standing.

[Houdini Logic]

To everyone wanting the Fosse boys to continue whilst sitting, it would never work, atmospheres just don't happen sitting down.

The group need to carry on exactly as usual and hope that all the support over the web is carried on by the kop

Apart from a tiny amount of space in the diaphram I don't see the difference with sitting, not when it's about the people

[Guest BlueBrett]

Ha. Ha.

Its just the way the law is at the moment, ever since Hillsboro (as well you know...). You have to work with the system on this issue (campaigns like SUSD), not rebel against it, as it will only lead to banning orders for standing.

I have to disagree. The way to overhaul ridiculous policies like this is through mass disobedience. The club can hardly ban the entire KOP.

[LCFC-ARAB]

Hate to butt in here, but that's cobblers

You specifically stated that the complaints were because you were too noisy which, quite rightly, has caused outrage amongst every City fan and has led to the flood of emails in support of your cause

Now you are saying that you don't actually know what thye complaints say - but are merely assuming that the complaints are about noise. You don't appear to know what they are about at all, and have therefore misled everyone. The complaints might well be others around you being disgruntled that they are sitting down abiding by the godawful stupid rules we are stuck with and that are rigorously enforced in everywhere but L1, but you were allowed to get away with standing for the whole game

The reaction tells you that many City fans support your right to sing and shout, and say what you bloody well please at a football match, especially in the 'Kop' - and they are rightly furious. Sadly you have led them up the garden path, and they may well have nothing to be furious about at all

In the club's eyes you have set your cause back to an almost irretrievable level, and that's very sad indeed, because it was a good one

we dont know what the complaints are about because the club havnt told us (said that already)

why would other fans complain about us standing as we werent blocking anyones way (said that already)

we werent racist (said that already)

we dont swear stupid amounts! (said that already)

and i'm sorry but people complaing because people were standing near them?? and they were sitting?

thats the most stupid thing i have read in this thread

It's pretty obvious that the only thing people would have to complain to us about was teh fact we were singing all game, which is different from the norm in that area

[ACF]

A photoshopped Fosse Boys logo with the fox holding a finger to his mouth would be class.

If you wait sir, and ask politely, and I will do this ;D

[ian_marshall]

Exactly. If you want to stand on a bus, you can. Why is a football ground any different?

Try telling that to those poor families who lost their loved ones in football related tragedies such as Hillsborough and you'll see what the issue is. I personally would like to see terracing return as I was fortunate enough to have experienced it back in the day, but until someone figures out a way to safely to implement it and completely eliminate any risk that standing poses, I'm all for seating if it means that we never experience another football related disaster.

How many disasters have occurred and been well documented due to the number of people standing up on a bus?

[Fosse Boy]

Where's this K1 stuff come from?! And if they're offering you the chance to move to K1, why not take it? At least that way you'll be able to carry on your 'mission' and you might get some more members, especially as K1 has lots more singers than the back corner of the Kop.

Obviously the club have double standards on this, but from the clubs' perspective, can you not see how having one group of standers located in one place is much better than having several dotted around the ground? It would mean more time and money being spent of stewards looking after you, it would more resources would have to be spent on you and to be quite honest, I can see why they would rather have you located with the other standers.

We're covering old ground as this has largely been discussed previously and in other threads, however:

- A relocation to K would be extremely difficult as we would not be able to get seats together. One of the main reasons for the group being located in SK1 was due to the large amounts of unoccupied seats in the area meaning we could get our group together easily

- K is more expensive, and many of our members simply would not be able to afford to move

- With regards to your point about the club wanting one group of standers, this isn't the case at present. As I have mentioned previously there are large groups who stand freely along the back of the Kop. The only reason we are being picked on and threatened with forced relocation/ejection/banning is down to the fact that we are continuously making noise for 90 minutes as an organised group. These threats are not being made based on the fact that we stand.

[LCFC-ARAB]

Try telling that to those poor families who lost their loved ones in football related tragedies such as Hillsborough and you'll see what the issue is. I personally would like to see terracing return as I was fortunate enough to have experienced it back in the day, but until someone figures out a way to safely to implement it and completely eliminate any risk that standing poses, I'm all for seating if it means that we never experience another football related disaster.

A way has been figured out and it's used in Germany, Austria and plenty of other countries

[sbfox]

we dont know what the complaints are about because the club havnt told us (said that already)

why would other fans complain about us standing as we werent blocking anyones way (said that already)

we werent racist (said that already)

we dont swear stupid amounts! (said that already)

and i'm sorry but people complaing because people were standing near them?? and they were sitting?

thats the most stupid thing i have read in this thread

It's pretty obvious that the only thing people would have to complain to us about was teh fact we were singing all game, which is different from the norm in that area

1) The VERY first post of the thread says the complaints were about you being too noisy.

2) Other fans might have been complaining that you were seemingly being allowed to stand and they weren't? You complain of double standard, they may well have been doing the same thing...

3) I know you weren't being racist (but then again, that's really not an issue here...)

It now seems as though you've come to your own conclusions about why you're being threatened and you've done that by putting 1 and 1 together (and coming up with 3...). The story in the Mercury also states that you are being threatened because of your noise. Could I suggest that if you are going to try and get the media involved, you try to ensure that everything is watertight and not ambiguous?

[Craig]

Try telling that to those poor families who lost their loved ones in football related tragedies such as Hillsborough and you'll see what the issue is. I personally would like to see terracing return as I was fortunate enough to have experienced it back in the day, but until someone figures out a way to safely to implement it and completely eliminate any risk that standing poses, I'm all for seating if it means that we never experience another football related disaster.

How many disasters have occurred and been well documented due to the number of people standing up on a bus?

Standing infont of an allocated seat is the Walkers Stadium far from cramming thousands of people into a 1980's terrace at Hillsborough.

Sure, it was a tragedy and one that shouldn't be forgotten. But the way people/authorities use this a reason all the time as an excuse to dismiss the importance of creating an atmosphere is ridiculous. THIS IS NOT THE SAME.

[sbfox]

We're covering old ground as this has largely been discussed previously and in other threads, however:

- A relocation to K would be extremely difficult as we would not be able to get seats together. One of the main reasons for the group being located in SK1 was due to the large amounts of unoccupied seats in the area meaning we could get our group together easily

- K is more expensive, and many of our members simply would not be able to afford to move

- With regards to your point about the club wanting one group of standers, this isn't the case at present. As I have mentioned previously there are large groups who stand freely along the back of the Kop. The only reason we are being picked on and threatened with forced relocation/ejection/banning is down to the fact that we are continuously making noise for 90 minutes as an organised group. These threats are not being made based on the fact that we stand.

Seats are plentiful in K, as long as you plan a few weeks ahead. If you're really serious about this, block booking 30-40 seats wouldn't be that hard (I wouldn't have thought).

Can we have some evidence that the threat of ejection is based on noise please? Myself, and others, are really not seeing it...

[LCFC-ARAB]

1) The VERY first post of the thread says the complaints were about you being too noisy.

2) Other fans might have been complaining that you were seemingly being allowed to stand and they weren't? You complain of double standard, they may well have been doing the same thing...

3) I know you weren't being racist (but then again, that's really not an issue here...)

It now seems as though you've come to your own conclusions about why you're being threatened and you've done that by putting 1 and 1 together (and coming up with 3...). The story in the Mercury also states that you are being threatened because of your noise. Could I suggest that if you are going to try and get the media involved, you try to ensure that everything is watertight and not ambiguous?

The VERY first post says 'apparently' the complaints where about noise, the first post was only written from what we have been told

and the fosse boys didnt get the media involved.

[Jordan]

Try telling that to those poor families who lost their loved ones in football related tragedies such as Hillsborough and you'll see what the issue is. I personally would like to see terracing return as I was fortunate enough to have experienced it back in the day, but until someone figures out a way to safely to implement it and completely eliminate any risk that standing poses, I'm all for seating if it means that we never experience another football related disaster.

Perhaps another disaster might have happened at Hillsbrough in '89 even if the Leppings Lane End end were all-seater if the same policies/ticketing/actions took place. Ticketing policies--not to mention stadium architecture--are much more sophisticated now.

Anyway, that's taking this discussion to an entirely new topic when we should get back to the point at hand: A few dozen folks being told they can't stand and sing in the back corner of a stadium's seats even though the club had just assured them that this wouldn't be much of a problem.

[LCFC-ARAB]

Seats are plentiful in K, as long as you plan a few weeks ahead. If you're really serious about this, block booking 30-40 seats wouldn't be that hard (I wouldn't have thought).

Can we have some evidence that the threat of ejection is based on noise please? Myself, and others, are really not seeing it...

are you not listening?

we dont have evidence!! it was a conversation over the phone between Kevin Barclay and someone who is trying to help the Fosse Boys

believe what you want mate, me and fosse boy are only typing what we have been told and what we believe to be true, if there wasnt any complaints about us then take that up with teh club for lying to us not us for telling you the lies

[sbfox]

are you not listening?

we dont have evidence!! it was a conversation over the phone between Kevin Barclay and someone who is trying to help the Fosse Boys

believe what you want mate, me and fosse boy are only typing what we have been told and what we believe to be true, if there wasnt any complaints about us then take that up with teh club for lying to us not us for telling you the lies

We're covering old ground as this has largely been discussed previously and in other threads, however:

- A relocation to K would be extremely difficult as we would not be able to get seats together. One of the main reasons for the group being located in SK1 was due to the large amounts of unoccupied seats in the area meaning we could get our group together easily

- K is more expensive, and many of our members simply would not be able to afford to move

- With regards to your point about the club wanting one group of standers, this isn't the case at present. As I have mentioned previously there are large groups who stand freely along the back of the Kop. The only reason we are being picked on and threatened with forced relocation/ejection/banning is down to the fact that we are continuously making noise for 90 minutes as an organised group. These threats are not being made based on the fact that we stand.

But you're saying different things! You're saying that you have no evidence that its do to with the noise, whereas FB is saying you're being threatened because of your noise. The two don't add up.

Don't think I'm being a jackass for the sake of, I'm just trying to find some balance here...

[AndyBrew]

You don't appear to know what they are about at all, and have therefore misled everyone. The complaints might well be others around you being disgruntled that they are sitting down abiding by the godawful stupid rules we are stuck with and that are rigorously enforced in everywhere but L1, but you were allowed to get away with standing for the whole game

Hate to butt in here, but that's cobblers

large sections of the Kop stand for every game

[Magictv]

But you're saying different things! You're saying that you have no evidence that its do to with the noise, whereas FB is saying you're being threatened because of your noise. The two don't add up.

Don't think I'm being a jackass for the sake of, I'm just trying to find some balance here...

I can threaten to do something, doesn't mean there is evidence I made that threat. Do you get what they're saying now?

[Babylon]

Both myself and ARAB have posted exactly what we know. All the information we have posted on here has been passed on to us by another member of our group (who posts on here), who has an ongoing dialogue with Mr. Barclay. If we could add any more clarity to the content of these 22 e-mails then we would.

No, you have posted your interpretation of what was said.... ie. "They called everyone that emailed a kid". When in fact they had said something more along the lines of they thought it was just all the Fosseboys emailing.

Lets look at your original email. "Following on the from the Middlesbrough game LCFC apparently received 25 e-mails regarding the group, of which 3 were in support and 22 were apparently complaints about us being too noisy (remember, the "Kop" is meant to be our home end). As a result we have been issued with an ultimatum, to either move or face ejections/bans."

There was no mention of standing or "doing what you did against boro", these bits came out later on. So your post in my opinion was very much weighted in favour of yourself and making the club look completely unreasonable.

[LCFC-ARAB]

But you're saying different things! You're saying that you have no evidence that its do to with the noise, whereas FB is saying you're being threatened because of your noise. The two don't add up.

Don't think I'm being a jackass for the sake of, I'm just trying to find some balance here...

It was done over the phone!!!! we dont have evidence!!!

but that doesnt mean it wasnt a threat!

please just read my other posts and fosse boys other posts again and you will see what we are saying

[Mr Hanky]

we dont know what the complaints are about because the club havnt told us (said that already)

But you have specifically told us that the club apparently received 22 complaints because you were too noisy

That is not the case - you've made that up completely, based on your own assumptions without any factual basis whatsoever, and this whole emailing frenzy has been driven by what you have said

No wonder the club are totally pissed off