Fosse boys to be ejected - time to make a stand

[stripeyfox]

I'm not entirely sure its fair to say the FB have "whipped up a storm" here. I think everyone can see that this is part of a bigger agenda by the club to clamp down and show they are in charge. Standing and singing are both part of the repetoire of the FB and standing goes unchallenged elsewhere. Maybe we should be pressing the club for clarification rather than ARAB and Fosseboy and the others. As he has pointed out, they're not an offical organisation and don't have a media outlet. It should be for LCFC to clear up what they have told FB.

[Guest BlueBrett]

Try telling that to those poor families who lost their loved ones in football related tragedies such as Hillsborough and you'll see what the issue is. I personally would like to see terracing return as I was fortunate enough to have experienced it back in the day, but until someone figures out a way to safely to implement it and completely eliminate any risk that standing poses, I'm all for seating if it means that we never experience another football related disaster

Unfortunately catastrophes happen from time to time in all areas of society. This is just a sad fact of life.

Take for instance the recent disaster at a German music festival in which several people died as a result of crowd surges. I light of this would you advocate a law which requires all festival goers to sit rather than stand and to refrain from dancing at all times? Nobody wants a repeat of Hillsborough that goes without saying but in football, as in general politics, kneejerk reactions are not the way forward. You simply can't take one-off 'freak' occurrences as the basis for all future policies.

No doubt standing probably does marginally increase the risk of injury at a football match but if an entire section of the crowd takes it upon themselves to do so then that is their prerogative just as it is yours to cross the road, smoke a cigarette or eat McDonalds every day. If the FosseBoys get unruly and start endangering themselves or other supporters then it is for the stewards to step in. Until that timethey should be free to stand sing and shout to their hearts' content.

[LCFC-ARAB]

But you have specifically told us that the club apparently received 22 complaints because you were too noisy

That is not the case - you've made that up completely, based on your own assumptions without any factual basis whatsoever, and this whole emailing frenzy has been driven by what you have said

No wonder the club are totally pissed off

what else would they be about?? it doesnt take a rocket scientist to work it out

we didnt do anything to piss off anybody around us apart from sing all game

[sbfox]

My whole point is that you shouldn't be saying you're being threatened with ejection for your singing and noise, when you can't back that up. It seems more likely that these threats are because of your standing. I just think you're painting yourselves as the 'heroes' and the club as the villains in an unfair way and that people who have sent emails to the club because you're being 'silenced' are being misled slightly.

[leftsideoverhere]

But you have specifically told us that the club apparently received 22 complaints because you were too noisy

That is not the case - you've made that up completely, based on your own assumptions without any factual basis whatsoever, and this whole emailing frenzy has been driven by what you have said

No wonder the club are totally pissed off

Why don't you direct some of your indignant anger at the club, and ask them for their side, instead of trying to pick holes in what ARAB and FosseBoy have written? Many of us have contacted the club about this, and I'm not aware, yet, of any of us getting a meaningful response. Until the club explain themselves for going back on their previous agreement that they'd allow the FB to locate in that corner of the stand for a handful (four I think) matches, before deciding what to do next, then I'm forced into believing that the club have been acting unreasonably.

[AndyBrew]

Why don't you direct some of your indignant anger at the club, and ask them for their side, instead of trying to pick holes in what ARAB and FosseBoy have written? Many of us have contacted the club about this, and I'm not aware, yet, of any of us getting a meaningful response. Until the club explain themselves for going back on their previous agreement that they'd allow the FB to locate in that corner of the stand for a handful (four I think) matches, before deciding what to do next, then I'm forced into believing that the club have been acting unreasonably.

my thought exactly however there could be an issue that Mr Hanky is too close to the club for that to be of any use, I have no evidence to back that claim up but i do love a good conspiracy theory

[The Doctor]

A way has been figured out and it's used in Germany, Austria and plenty of other countries

But do their media hype the fans up to be illeducated hooligans?

Terracing works in this country in other sports (e.g. rugby) and even at non league level.

It's not all to do with the media but the attention the top levels of football gets in this country, combined with the tabloids desire for a dramatic story in that they'll print and exaggurate anything & everything, regardless of who it hurts, really hasn't helped the cause.

[Houdini Logic]

My whole point is that you shouldn't be saying you're being threatened with ejection for your singing and noise, when you can't back that up. It seems more likely that these threats are because of your standing. I just think you're painting yourselves as the 'heroes' and the club as the villains in an unfair way and that people who have sent emails to the club because you're being 'silenced' are being misled slightly.

Thank god I didn't record that message I got from the Birch - for a minute there I actually thought that happened

[Mr Hanky]

my thought exactly however there could be an issue that Mr Hanky is too close to the club for that to be of any use, I have no evidence to back that claim up but i do love a good conspiracy theory

I despise what my football club has become in recent years - even more so over the past few months

The club position on this, however, seems reasonably straightforward:

A spokesman for Leicester City said: "We are pleased supporters want to improve the atmosphere within the stadium and actively encourage the singing of pro-Leicester songs and chants, something that we communicated to The Fosse Boys in a recent meeting.

"All supporters must, however, ensure they adhere to the safety regulations that are in place to ensure a safe and enjoyable environment for everyone."

Now if the club are actually telling you that you cannot sing for ninety minutes, and they'll eject/ban you if you do, then I'll happily carry your Fosse Boys banner naked through the streets of Nottingham on a Saturday night

But they are not.

This is about standing up continuously, and nothing else. Any suggestion that they would/could eject you for singing is just farcical, and patently misleading

[Babylon]

Until the club explain themselves for going back on their previous agreement that they'd allow the FB to locate in that corner of the stand for a handful (four I think) matches, before deciding what to do next

Maybe because they have stood up, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that if you stand you are going to get on the wrong side of them. There is no point in banging on about away fans or L1 standing, they are much larger groups and there is nothing the club can do really. This group is small and manageable, if the club let them stand and do nothing to combat it now then they are going to end up with another all standing section like L1 that they can't manage. Nothing wrong with that in yours and my eyes, but the club will look at it differently and won't want it.

Sit down and sing year hearts out, the club can't touch you and your numbers will swell. When that happens you start to take some of the power back from the club as they lose control. This should be about the long term, to win the war you might need to let the club win this battle over standing.

[Jackirius]

Unfortunately catastrophes happen from time to time in all areas of society. This is just a sad fact of life.

Take for instance the recent disaster at a German music festival in which several people died as a result of crowd surges. I light of this would you advocate a law which requires all festival goers to sit rather than stand and to refrain from dancing at all times? Nobody wants a repeat of Hillsborough that goes without saying but in football, as in general politics, kneejerk reactions are not the way forward. You simply can't take one-off 'freak' occurrences as the basis for all future policies.

No doubt standing probably does marginally increase the risk of injury at a football match but if an entire section of the crowd takes it upon themselves to do so then that is their prerogative just as it is yours to cross the road, smoke a cigarette or eat McDonalds every day. If the FosseBoys get unruly and start endangering themselves or other supporters then it is for the stewards to step in. Until that timethey should be free to stand sing and shout to their hearts' content.

:eek:

Bit serious...

[Mike the Metal Ed]

Surely if the club doesn't want their communications to be misinterpreted, then they should put their concerns to ARAB in writing, otherwise misunderstandings will happen. Their insistence on telephone contact is shady at best, surely? And the bit in the Mercury story is copy-pasted straight out of the media handling book they doubtless have, why take it as evidence of something said in a totally different line of conversation?

[Babylon]

Surely if the club doesn't want their communications to be misinterpreted

It doesn't seem misinterpreted to me, the information how come out eventually. It's just unfortunate that some posts on here seem to have been a tad sensationalised.

[Guest BlueBrett]

What is poor Abe going to think he has walked into if they manage to get his permit in time for tomorrow? It's embarassing to think a player who has performed in front of those Urawa Reds fans is going to be greeted by a stadium full (or not) of people afraid to freely express their support for their club.

[Bellend Sebastian]

What is poor Abe going to think he has walked into if they manage to get his permit in time for tomorrow? It's embarassing to think a player who has performed in front of those Urawa Reds fans is going to be greeted by a stadium full (or not) of people afraid to freely express their support for their club.

Or he might wonder why a lot of folk think you have to decide between stand and sing or sit and sulk. You can cleverly combine elements of both, you know

[Jackirius]

What is poor Abe going to think he has walked into if they manage to get his permit in time for tomorrow? It's embarassing to think a player who has performed in front of those Urawa Reds fans is going to be greeted by a stadium full (or not) of people afraid to freely express their support for their club.

To be fair it would be quite hard to compare to this...

[Asha]

I really hate it when people use Hillsborough as an example for why all fans should seated all game, no question.

For a start, I believe terracing itself was not the reason for the lives being lost. People had stood in terraces for years and there were very few examples of tragedies such as that.

But anyway, were the fans who tragically lost their lives not fans of terracing? Were they not the type of supporters who relished the opportunity to stand and sing for their team, hence their decision to opt for the terracing rather than the seating on that day?

Maybe it's an unfair assumption to make, but I'm sure a high number of the Liverpool fans who lost their lives would be ashamed at what football has become, and feel even worse at the fact that the tragedy is constantly used as a reason to corroborate it. I'm sure they all loved a bit of standing and atmosphere, and I personally think that the resulting removal of terracing and subsequently the incredible atmospheres that came with it are almost an insult to those who lost their lives. Because of what happened that day, something they loved doing has been ripped from the sport they loved.

For example, if an individual loved sky diving, but was killed in a tragic accident doing so, would they have wanted sky diving to then be banned through safety fears?

[Lost4words]

After reading all the pages of this, i have to say im pretty confident sbfox works for LCFC in some capacity.

If not then he is more than likely one of the 22 who don't want noise at a football ground. Your arguement sbfox about if this is about standing or the noise is irrelevant. Fosse Boys had an agreement/arrangement in place for 4 or so games. Now after 1 game, the club has gone against this. For either the noise/standing or both. Doesn't matter. the club has still gone against its agreement either way. Which is disgraceful. 'Nuff said.

There are PLENTY of sections in the ground that are aloud to stand. I wont bother to name all of them.

The KOP has and always has been rubbish at the Walkers Stadium. Its the home end for fricks sake and its the quietest! How does that work exactly? The walkers stadium is ment to be a FORTRESS!

Its more like a frickin LIBRARY! Even bigger than the Pork Pie Roundabout LIBRARY! We may aswell rename the stadium, if you can call it that.

[Dr The Singh]

I'm confused, literally!!

Firstly, what is the official statement or threat from the club, and the reasons why?

Who did this statement go to and what are the implications??

[Lost4words]

Also your argument about them moving is complete bollocks aswell.

L1 does not get more stewards to look after it than any other block. (Apart from BIG rival games or games at end of season when a pitch invasion is possible)

So relocating them so its easier and safer to steward is utter rubbish.

Now im even more convinced you work for our backwards club and possibly sit in silence in the so called KOP end. Personally id rename it.

Silence I KILL YOU

Silence WILL KILL YOU.

Or my personal favourite....

The 'shhhhhhhhhhhhhh' end.

[Babylon]

Fosse Boys had an agreement/arrangement in place for 4 or so games. Now after 1 game, the club has gone against this. For either the noise/standing or both. Doesn't matter. the club has still gone against its agreement either way. Which is disgraceful. 'Nuff said.

Did the club agree they could stand for the four games? No they didn't. By entering the ground you should obey their rules whether you like it or not, so the Fosse boys broke the agreement fist by standing up for 90 minutes.

As I stated before it doesn't matter if other areas stand or other clubs stand, this is a new small group and they can be controlled by the club. If they toed the line a bit and got their numbers up then the club lose control.

[Houdini Logic]

It doesn't seem misinterpreted to me, the information how come out eventually. It's just unfortunate that some posts on here seem to have been a tad sensationalised.

It may well have been, but do you not think that the club will also add a little sugar to their version of what happened?

For me the issue here is that the club are being nobs. If they are being truthful and acting on the complaints recieved then the standing side of life doesn't even come into it.

To me it's obvious that the club want to keep the 'rabble' together and have thought 'lets chuck them in K', giving in to the 22 instead of taking into account the 40/50.

[Babylon]

For me the issue here is that the club are being nobs. If they are being truthful and acting on the complaints recieved then the standing side of life doesn't even come into it.

But he more i've read what was supposedly said, the more the complaints side of it seemed tagged onto the end of the "don't do what you did against boro". Ie. Standing. Rather than being the clubs main point.

[Guest BlueBrett]

Or he might wonder why a lot of folk think you have to decide between stand and sing or sit and sulk. You can cleverly combine elements of both, you know

genius. you might be onto something. perhaps the FosseBoys should stand up but stay silent for the reading game and see what the club thinks of that. at least it would but an end to this debate about the nature of the complaints.

[CosbehFox]

To be fair it would be quite hard to compare to this...

Doesn't show the other parts of the ground though, it's a bit over-organised over there as well. When the team's not successful, the numbers get rather low (one of the things foreigners find incredible about English football is how the fans turn up in high numbers week after week.)

I really hate it when people use Hillsborough as an example for why all fans should seated all game, no question.

The event of Hillsborough and the over-crowded, poorly policised terraces at the time have perfect evidence for why fans should be seated. The solution is of course safe standing with the German's approach but we'll never see it here.....would give an excuse to make ticket prices lower and shake off some of the prawn sandwich crew.