Mack Posted 18 November 2010 Posted 18 November 2010 Last nights game against France highlighted all the reasons why it's now time to get rid of Capello. 1/ His tactical styles of play are outdated, and the new bright positive MODERN France under Blanc really showed that up last night. And the contrast with France under Dominek just a few weeks ago just shows how essential the right coach is, especially in the pressured environment of an International set up. 2/ His man management skills are outdated. Treating players like kids just doesn't cut it now, and once the players got past the fear of him he has just become a cartoon character. 3/ He cant speak English. I cant understand half of what he says so what hope is there for the players? 4/ The debacle in South Africa was a huge blow to his credibility with the media, fans and players. I think everyone has given him a reluctant chance to turn things around but a few games down the line nothing has changed. 5/ He makes elementary tactical and selection mistakes that prove despite being around English football for sometime now he is a stubborn old git with an inability or incapability to adapt to his role. 6/ We are at a crossroads in the future of the National side and the same old Capello methods are just going to dig the hole deeper for whoever takes over. Better to make a clean break now. I really enjoyed watching France last night, they are everything I would hope for our National team. It's time for a clear out at the FA from top to bottom.
Finnegan Posted 18 November 2010 Posted 18 November 2010 Far be it from me to defend an England manager, but was last night not just about experimenting with other players and giving them some international exposure? Not saying you AREN'T shit () but calling his selection in to question using yesterday as an example might be a bit unfair.
Mark 'expert' Lawrenson Posted 18 November 2010 Posted 18 November 2010 I think its fair to say Capello is partly to blame for the dire state of the England team but the whole blame cannot lie with him. Also to blame are the Premier league bosses with their reliance on mainly average foreign players who are taking up places which years ago would have mainly gone to English players, thus making the pool of players Capello can chose from a small one, the strikers he has to chose from are the worst crop I can remember. I started a thread recently asking if this is the weakest Premier league of all time and I still maintain it is although on the whole no one else agreed with me. I think the state of the England team reflects the poor quality of the Premier league at the moment. Capello's faults are his poor choice of tactics, no charisma and no idea how to inspire a team. He is not at fault for the poor players who are available to him.
Thracian Posted 18 November 2010 Posted 18 November 2010 Capello makes an expanse of grey-black paint seem exciting. See if the Welsh want him! If nothing else they could utilise him as a tourist attraction - he'd be competition for their slate mines.
davieG Posted 18 November 2010 Posted 18 November 2010 Do we actually have players who can play in the style of France, I'm sure we could do better but it wouldn't be from playing that way we struggle to put more than 3 passes together and when we do manage it they're invariably sideways, backwards or lumped forwards.
Dickie Greenleaf Posted 18 November 2010 Posted 18 November 2010 Well its dispiriting that the national team has a player in Wilshere who is excellent on the ball, has class, a good touch and great vision, yet when he's called up Capello says he can't play like he does for Arsenal http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/england/8131216/Henry-Winter-Fabio-Capello-should-let-Jack-Wilshere-play-his-own-game-rather-than-Englands-direct-style.html
Dickie Greenleaf Posted 18 November 2010 Posted 18 November 2010 I think its fair to say Capello is partly to blame for the dire state of the England team but the whole blame cannot lie with him. Also to blame are the Premier league bosses with their reliance on mainly average foreign players who are taking up places which years ago would have mainly gone to English players, thus making the pool of players Capello can chose from a small one, the strikers he has to chose from are the worst crop I can remember. I started a thread recently asking if this is the weakest Premier league of all time and I still maintain it is although on the whole no one else agreed with me. I think the state of the England team reflects the poor quality of the Premier league at the moment. Capello's faults are his poor choice of tactics, no charisma and no idea how to inspire a team. He is not at fault for the poor players who are available to him. The blame is with the FA, not PL managers. They're paid to get their teams performing at their best. Its not their fault if there is a dearth of English talent. If they buy and play foreigners its becuase they are getting better value for money. The FA's complete failure to instigate any sort of half-decent grass roots culture is the reason the national team is so poor.
purpleronnie Posted 18 November 2010 Posted 18 November 2010 Do we actually have players who can play in the style of France, I'm sure we could do better but it wouldn't be from playing that way we struggle to put more than 3 passes together and when we do manage it they're invariably sideways, backwards or lumped forwards. Absolutely, it really is embarrassing, but weve never been able to pass it around, create space, there are very few footballing brains in the england squad, we we panic on the ball, I dont know why this is maybe because the premiership is so fast that people simply dont have time on the ball, but theres plenty of foreign players in the premiership who perform for their national sides. Thats why we should scrap trying to play that way and become more direct, it may not be pretty but I feel thats the only way we can do well.
Dickie Greenleaf Posted 18 November 2010 Posted 18 November 2010 Play more direct??? That's all we do at the moment. Knock and run, or lump it forward to a big man.
The Doctor Posted 18 November 2010 Posted 18 November 2010 mack - ever considered that england mught be just shit no matter how they play, who's in charge or who they play? All of englands players are very ordinary and are made to look better either playing alongside many other shocking players from abroad (gerrard at liverpool) or being carried by much better players from abroad (everyone else). The british isles may have been the birthplace of football but don't produce any real quality players. wales are terrible (50 or so years and counting isn't it finnegan), Northern Ireland haven't been to a major tournament in quite a while, scotland haven't been to one in 12 years, england, while probably the best of the four, are still mediocre at best.
Finnegan Posted 18 November 2010 Posted 18 November 2010 4 - 0 & 3 - 0. Jog on, jock. We've got your number.
The Doctor Posted 18 November 2010 Posted 18 November 2010 4 - 0 & 3 - 0. Jog on, jock. We've got your number. doesn't mean you're not shit, just means we're shitter than you.
Finnegan Posted 18 November 2010 Posted 18 November 2010 I can accept that. You're getting the wooden spoon in two tournaments in 2011!
Mack Posted 18 November 2010 Author Posted 18 November 2010 I accept we are not going to be all conquering. But you can see than an English Manager with experience and understanding of our football and culture would do so much better. Redknapp and Hodgson spring to mind right away. I know some would point to Hogson's recent troubles with Liverpool, but I think we all know that is mainly because of matters far beyond his control. For me the experiment with foreign Managers was at it's best with Sven, and he had an OK record, but it takes someone who really understands ala Venables in Euro 96 to take an England side all the way, and we were so unlucky not to do so during that memorable tounament. And no one who remembers it can say we did not give our all and play to our strengths. I think if we gave one of the English elder statesmen of our great game a go you would at least see a team with some bollocks on the pitch giving it a go, rather than the complete bilge Capello has served up when it has counted. I fulluy agree we don't have the players to play like France, but we can maximize what we have and set ourselves up to get the best out of what English players are good at. And by doing that I think we would give anyone a game, we may not always win but as fans we could say that was our best. There we enough senior players on the pitch last night to produce a performance despite the debutantes, we just did'nt show up, and I point the finger for that at Capello, who is only after the huge pay packet as his retirement pension.
FoxyPV Posted 18 November 2010 Posted 18 November 2010 Keep Capello- it's one of the few things that cheers me up at the moment.
davieG Posted 18 November 2010 Posted 18 November 2010 I accept we are not going to be all conquering. But you can see than an English Manager with experience and understanding of our football and culture would do so much better. Redknapp and Hodgson spring to mind right away. I know some would point to Hogson's recent troubles with Liverpool, but I think we all know that is mainly because of matters far beyond his control. For me the experiment with foreign Managers was at it's best with Sven, and he had an OK record, but it takes someone who really understands ala Venables in Euro 96 to take an England side all the way, and we were so unlucky not to do so during that memorable tounament. And no one who remembers it can say we did not give our all and play to our strengths. I think if we gave one of the English elder statesmen of our great game a go you would at least see a team with some bollocks on the pitch giving it a go, rather than the complete bilge Capello has served up when it has counted. I fulluy agree we don't have the players to play like France, but we can maximize what we have and set ourselves up to get the best out of what English players are good at. And by doing that I think we would give anyone a game, we may not always win but as fans we could say that was our best. There we enough senior players on the pitch last night to produce a performance despite the debutantes, we just did'nt show up, and I point the finger for that at Capello, who is only after the huge pay packet as his retirement pension. We didn't see any of your so called English approach with McClaren
Jordan Posted 18 November 2010 Posted 18 November 2010 Heavens forbid Fabio Capello use a friendly to evaluate new players.
BrummieFOX Posted 18 November 2010 Posted 18 November 2010 Far be it from me to defend an England manager, but was last night not just about experimenting with other players and giving them some international exposure? Not saying you AREN'T shit () but calling his selection in to question using yesterday as an example might be a bit unfair. That's all well and good and people would except that, but it wasn't consistent. Playing Keiran Gibbs who has played 20 odd minutes of competitive football in the past year or so was ridiculous. Baines and Warnock, neither who have had a wealth of experience at International level were completely overlooked. He called up Kevin Davies to the last squad, he played reasonably well. Capello then went to watch him (or whoever) at Bolton last week, he got MOM and scored 2 goals, yet doesn't get a call up?! I just can't understand his call up decisions. I think we all know that if he hadn't signed that contract extension before the World Cup, he wouldn't be here.
purpleronnie Posted 18 November 2010 Posted 18 November 2010 Play more direct??? That's all we do at the moment. Knock and run, or lump it forward to a big man. Its the only way we score goals. If you think we can pass it around like spain then your deluded. If you want a mix of both styles then thats a possibility but either our players haven't the brains to do it or the skill, I don't know how many times we have to fail before we blame the players not the manager.
Guest BlueBrett Posted 18 November 2010 Posted 18 November 2010 Heavens forbid Fabio Capello use a friendly to evaluate new players It's not really about who he chose to play last night. Everybody can agree that it is a good idea to blood young players in high profile friendlies. My problem with Capello is that he has got the England team playing some of the most boring football I have ever seen. Worse still it is boring football that doesn't yield results. Our midfield last night was dreadful. The media pundits always seem to go crazy for Steven Gerrard with every half-arsed attempt at goal or stumbling clumsy ten yard run forward heralded as 'the best of England' but in all honesty I think he was terrible last night. A few self-indulgent hollywood passes were just about all he contributed. I don't remember him linking up with Carroll once apart from that one header down to him which he skied and he wasn't exactly dictating the play with incisive passes or even breaking up play when the French had it. Then you look at the other FOUR midfield players out there, Walcott who barely got a touch and then Barry Milner and Henderson. Leaving aside the debutant, any England team that contains Gerrard, Barry and Milner is doomed to fail. Where is the creativity supposed to come from out of those three? There isn't an ounce of skill between them and playing against the likes of Nasri last night really showed them up for what they are..workhorses. It has always been beyond me why Gareth Barry is so highly rated because no matter how much I watch him I still can't seem to make out what exactly it is that he does. Then there is Milner out on the wing. Why? He has little pace and is unbelievably predictable and when you have him on one side and Walcott on the other it just makes the whole team very lopsided. The thing that really stood out for me last night was how badly England missed Ashley Cole. The more I think about it the more it seems that pretty much every England attacking move relies upon Cole getting forward and providing an option out wide. Without him there we looked clueless. Having said all that I don't buy the idea that England have no good players. I think club form disproves that claim. The problem seems to me to be that Capello has no idea how we should play and he adopts negative formations with players put in positions to 'do a job' rather than to have a positive impact on the game. To be frank, I'm not sure he gives a sh.it anymore.
marbelladave Posted 18 November 2010 Posted 18 November 2010 Capello brought some much needed discipline to the English ranks after the dreadful laissez faire mateyness of the McLaran era. I thought he did pretty well at the time but looking back it is clear what happened, why it worked and why it all went hopelessly wrong. So, in order... Capello inherited a pretty decent bunch of players, even allowing for all the 'Golden Generation' bollox. Terry, Rio, Cashley, Gerrard etc etc were all playing reasonably well so all that was required was to get them to knuckle down, play with a bit of shape and disipline and see off inferior opposition. He managed that withou any problems. This worked very well through the first half of qualifying, the team was largely unchanged, the opposition mediocre, so the results were pretty decent. We started the second half of qualifying, September 2009, top of our group and in very good shape. It was at this point that things started going badly wrong, the team was stale and fitness issues were mounting yet Capello failed to freshen things up, sticking to a very tight group of players and refusing to bring in new blood. Established players continued to play despite fitness and form issues and the team started to falter as performance standards started to drop. Capello appeared to have no answer to these issues, he simply tried to hold his established squad together until the finals, even if it meant turning up with players both unfit and hopelessly out of form, with the awful results we all saw. This season he seems devoid of ideas, none of the World Cup issues have been addressed and his selections seem random, in some cases young players are picked when out of form and sometimes out of their club side, it is almost as if the manager wants the youngsters to fail, presumeably so that he can go back to his established stars.
Dickie Greenleaf Posted 18 November 2010 Posted 18 November 2010 Who are these creative English midfielders? Wilshere, Rodwell, Johnson, Milner (stupid to play him on the wong) Team needs a radical change. Whilst I know some were out injured last night, they need to be going along the lines of. ----------------------Hart -------Young---Jagielka--Cahill---Gibbs ----------------Milner---Rodwell -------Walcott--Wilshere--Johnson ------------------ Rooney
FoxyPV Posted 18 November 2010 Posted 18 November 2010 Any international team with Lescott as a CB is doomed to failure.
Matt Posted 18 November 2010 Posted 18 November 2010 Not a huge Capello fan but not got anything against the bloke and think he is probably one of the best options. When will people realise England are not good enough and probably never will be, in international football you are limited, you can only pick players from the country in question, No matter what manager we have we will still have the same players, the players are not good enough, they are the best players we have in this country, but they are not good enough, individually I believe we have some of the worlds best players, as a team it doesn't work.
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