cc_star Posted 3 January 2011 Posted 3 January 2011 For the 2nd game in a row we've restricted the opposition to hardly any chances and ran out winners rather than looking dreadful with the leakiest defence in the division, obviously it takes a team performance But its also no coincidence that Hobbs & Morrison have also put quality shifts in with Weale in charge behind them First up, Hull like Leicester were a solid home team and the never really got a look-in and now secondly Swansea, although not the best away team in the world were still well worth their second spot in the table (before today)... were limited to only one shot on target the whole game, which was the long shot by Sinclair which found the back of the net Wonder what would have happened with our awful poor run where we shipped loads of goals if Sven had changed things sooner, rather than waiting for forced changes by injuries to Kirkland, Davies & Vitor?
Babylon Posted 3 January 2011 Posted 3 January 2011 Mr miserable is back... We win two on the trot and guess what, he's moaning about Sven again. You keep saying we were the leakiest defence in the league, what you basing this on exactly? Are you including the 12 goals the the trio you mention shipped at palace, Norwich and against Pompey.... Or are you conveniently forgetting those games so you can continue your continuous Sven bashing?
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 3 January 2011 Posted 3 January 2011 we need to be positive at the moment, yes we all know City are likely to lose against Preston (cus they are bottom) but whilst there is something to cheer about and hope they can make it 3 wins on the trot!!! Heres hoping. Long Live SGE. In Sven we trust :sge:
cc_star Posted 3 January 2011 Author Posted 3 January 2011 Mr miserable is back... We win two on the trot and guess what, he's moaning about Sven again. You keep saying we were the leakiest defence in the league, what you basing this on exactly? Are you including the 12 goals the the trio you mention shipped at palace, Norwich and against Pompey.... Or are you conveniently forgetting those games so you can continue your continuous Sven bashing? If you're referring to me, I'm not miserable in the slightest I'm not moaning about Sven, I'm just saying if he'd have changed it sooner rather than waiting until Kirkland was injured & Davies had all but walked out on us - we may have not been so haphazard at the back during the recent poor spell. Why bring up performances under a previous manager? Sousa was obviously clueless at the back If you want to ignore what I actually said and paint me in a light that suits your own agenda that's up to you
Les-TA-Jon Posted 3 January 2011 Posted 3 January 2011 I think the last 2 results and defensive performances are more the result of Sven actually making decisions of conviction and the confidence boosting of placing those players in the first team, rather than Hobbs, Morrison and Weale being overlooked despite being amazing or anything. Sven and co see our players day in day out in training. I can't imagine a situation when Vitor/Davies/Kirkland are playing ok but Hobbs/Morrison/Weale are playing world class football in training - and Sven just not picking them. In otherwords Sven has played his best team - and then injuries to vitor and davies came along (Davies obv now gone back to Villa) and forced him into making changes. Hobbs and Morrison have not been playing enough football for their own liking this season. And so when Sven put them back in the team - it was their chance to play well and try to improve their situation - especially since we're in January and we just signed a CB.
Babylon Posted 3 January 2011 Posted 3 January 2011 If you're referring to me, I'm not miserable in the slightest Did a good job of fooling me. All you have done is moaned about him non stop, very quick to rip him to bits and not so quick to give him praise for a result. I'm not moaning about Sven, I'm just saying if he'd have changed it sooner rather than waiting until Kirkland was injured & Davies had all but walked out on us - we may have not been so haphazard at the back during the recent poor spell. And if he'd not changed the defence when he did at the beginning we might have lost 10 games on the trot and not improved our defencive record and climbed away from the foot of the table as we did do. IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF. Surprised the last two games haven't been put down to "new manager syndrome" also.
Babylon Posted 3 January 2011 Posted 3 January 2011 Why bring up performances under a previous manager? Same players.
Guest Mee-9 Posted 3 January 2011 Posted 3 January 2011 If you're referring to me, I'm not miserable in the slightest I'm not moaning about Sven, I'm just saying if he'd have changed it sooner rather than waiting until Kirkland was injured & Davies had all but walked out on us - we may have not been so haphazard at the back during the recent poor spell. Why bring up performances under a previous manager? Sousa was obviously clueless at the back If you want to ignore what I actually said and paint me in a light that suits your own agenda that's up to you Who gives a shit? That was in the past now. All that matters are Hobbs and Morrison put in quality shifts along with Weale over the last few days. Dont put a dampner on a decent result.
fatmando Posted 3 January 2011 Posted 3 January 2011 Who cares how we got here. We now have winning formula. Hallelujah. Beat Preston and Millwall and things really will be looking sweet as.
Rich_Sheffield Posted 3 January 2011 Posted 3 January 2011 I'm glad someone created this thread cause i feel the same way. Is it a coincidence that we beat an inform Swansea with a starting team consisting of 8 of Nigel Pearson team? (BTW what is Swansea? Is it an animal?)
phillthefox Posted 3 January 2011 Posted 3 January 2011 2nd game in a row hobbs and morrison looked solid at back with weale back between sticks, :sge:
Babylon Posted 3 January 2011 Posted 3 January 2011 I'm glad someone created this thread cause i feel the same way. Is it a coincidence that we beat an inform Swansea with a starting team consisting of 8 of Nigel Pearson team? (BTW what is Swansea? Is it an animal?) You do know we have beaten other teams under Sven than the last two don't you? Remind me how many of his players were playing the game we shipped 6 at Pompey.
Rich_Sheffield Posted 3 January 2011 Posted 3 January 2011 You do know we have beaten other teams under Sven than the last two don't you? Remind me how many of his players were playing the game we shipped 6 at Pompey. 9, i think? dont get me wrong i like sven (obviously), i'm just saying Hobbs and Morrison are underrated.
Haydos Posted 3 January 2011 Posted 3 January 2011 You do know we have beaten other teams under Sven than the last two don't you? Remind me how many of his players were playing the game we shipped 6 at Pompey. Cheer up They've been better the last 2 games tbh. But it is only 2 games though and they were poor as recently as Millwall.
Finnegan Posted 3 January 2011 Posted 3 January 2011 Sorry but Weale was terrible today. All he had to do (besides pick the ball out the back of the net) was distribute and he was absolutely woeful in that department.
Thracian Posted 3 January 2011 Posted 3 January 2011 Who cares how we got here. We now have winning formula. Hallelujah. Beat Preston and Millwall and things really will be looking sweet as. What matters to me is that we seem to have a formation at last that suits and involves the best players we have right now. It's not a whole lot different from Pearson's but it does have more pace and movement. Whether it has more goals - or enough goals - remains to be seen. For me, having so few goals from two or our midfielders - Abe and Wellens - remains a worry. Wellens takes the positions on a few occasions but just refuses to shoot.
colbo68 Posted 3 January 2011 Posted 3 January 2011 If you're referring to me, I'm not miserable in the slightest I'm not moaning about Sven, I'm just saying if he'd have changed it sooner rather than waiting until Kirkland was injured & Davies had all but walked out on us - we may have not been so haphazard at the back during the recent poor spell. Why bring up performances under a previous manager? Sousa was obviously clueless at the back If you want to ignore what I actually said and paint me in a light that suits your own agenda that's up to you dont worry mate... Babylon always does that.... doesn't get what you said and implies you said something completely different... I know the feeling and empathise with you
themotivator Posted 3 January 2011 Posted 3 January 2011 i hope i'm not being to contraversial to suggest that morrisson isn't all that. he is a big physical defender and has managed very well to make a good impression over the last two games, but i'm still not convinced he has enough creativity or ideas to get himself out of every dangerous situation. technically, he isnt the greatest. he looks shakey on the ball at times, and it seems he is only comfortable when he can give the ball a good hoof. maybe this is all we need from a defender in this league and he seems to have a good attitude, which is why he has gotten to this point in his career, but i dont think he has the footballing mind to ever get to the level of a player like hobbs could be. while he isnt making mistakes and costing us games i am willing to accept that he deserves his place in the team. can't see him involved in the long term plans the owners and sven have for the club. i just think we can do better.
deep blue Posted 3 January 2011 Posted 3 January 2011 i hope i'm not being to contraversial to suggest that morrisson isn't all that. he is a big physical defender and has managed very well to make a good impression over the last two games, but i'm still not convinced he has enough creativity or ideas to get himself out of every dangerous situation. technically, he isnt the greatest. he looks shakey on the ball at times, and it seems he is only comfortable when he can give the ball a good hoof. maybe this is all we need from a defender in this league and he seems to have a good attitude, which is why he has gotten to this point in his career, but i dont think he has the footballing mind to ever get to the level of a player like hobbs could be. while he isnt making mistakes and costing us games i am willing to accept that he deserves his place in the team. can't see him involved in the long term plans the owners and sven have for the club. i just think we can do better. One positive side of Morrison's inclusion is that he adds more of a presence and a threat for us at set pieces, something we have lacked for a while.
fatmando Posted 3 January 2011 Posted 3 January 2011 What matters to me is that we seem to have a formation at last that suits and involves the best players we have right now. It's not a whole lot different from Pearson's but it does have more pace and movement. Whether it has more goals - or enough goals - remains to be seen. For me, having so few goals from two or our midfielders - Abe and Wellens - remains a worry. Wellens takes the positions on a few occasions but just refuses to shoot. If we can pick up a top forward to replace Gallagher/Dyer and who can bang them in then I would be happy with Wellens and Abe doing what they are doing. Would like to see Abe take a few set pieces though, could well be the odd goal or two there from him.
Leicester_Loyal Posted 3 January 2011 Posted 3 January 2011 If we can pick up a top forward to replace Gallagher/Dyer and who can bang them in then I would be happy with Wellens and Abe doing what they are doing. Would like to see Abe take a few set pieces though, could well be the odd goal or two there from him. Dyer is crap at finishing, but he is always making runs, pressuring defenders and never gives up. Whether or not this is enough to warrent a place in the starting 11 week in week out remains to be seen (after January) Gallaghers corners were decent today, but they have been ok for most of the season, some have been terrible admittedly, but he doesn't do enough for me. I want him replaced/
Babylon Posted 3 January 2011 Posted 3 January 2011 dont worry mate... Babylon always does that.... doesn't get what you said and implies you said something completely different... I know the feeling and empathise with you I know exactly what he is saying, I'm countering his negative side of the story with a more balanced view point. Try reading the posts. Funny post coming from someone who made up comments I had supposedly said on previous occasions.
B52 Posted 3 January 2011 Posted 3 January 2011 For the 2nd game in a row we've restricted the opposition to hardly any chances and ran out winners rather than looking dreadful with the leakiest defence in the division, obviously it takes a team performance But its also no coincidence that Hobbs & Morrison have also put quality shifts in with Weale in charge behind them First up, Hull like Leicester were a solid home team and the never really got a look-in and now secondly Swansea, although not the best away team in the world were still well worth their second spot in the table (before today)... were limited to only one shot on target the whole game, which was the long shot by Sinclair which found the back of the net Wonder what would have happened with our awful poor run where we shipped loads of goals if Sven had changed things sooner, rather than waiting for forced changes by injuries to Kirkland, Davies & Vitor? Hull and Swansea seems to be to cautious going forward. It means we have time to defend. Weale wasn't any good.... We have to get a stabile, communicating and commanding leader between the goalposts. Do you really want to see your heroes mugged???
Jacnah Posted 3 January 2011 Posted 3 January 2011 i hope i'm not being to contraversial to suggest that morrisson isn't all that. he is a big physical defender and has managed very well to make a good impression over the last two games, but i'm still not convinced he has enough creativity or ideas to get himself out of every dangerous situation. technically, he isnt the greatest. he looks shakey on the ball at times, and it seems he is only comfortable when he can give the ball a good hoof. maybe this is all we need from a defender in this league and he seems to have a good attitude, which is why he has gotten to this point in his career, but i dont think he has the footballing mind to ever get to the level of a player like hobbs could be. while he isnt making mistakes and costing us games i am willing to accept that he deserves his place in the team. can't see him involved in the long term plans the owners and sven have for the club. i just think we can do better. I have to agree...its not that Morrison hasnt played well defensively in the last two games, I think he has, but his distribution isnt brilliant and it certainly hasnt improved a great deal when compared to Hobbs - who i think needs to be given every opportunity rather than players on short term loans (unless they are quite obviously and significantly better. Morrison seemed to revert to hhof ball into the channels. Maybe i'm being a little unfair but i thought it was quite noticeable today
Ozwin Posted 3 January 2011 Posted 3 January 2011 We have a good defensive performance and Morrison will probably be on his way to Sheff Wednesday in the morning.
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